Leopard or Tiger?
I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
I believe you'll find Tiger somewhat more responsive, but do watch for S/W (apps/utilities) requirements etc. Enjoy it Ted --- On Mon, 7/12/09, mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com Subject: Leopard or Tiger? To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 13:41 I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
Chose 7200 rpm drive... instead of large and slow 5400 if you looking every inch responsiveness... I am using a 1.67 Powerbook 15 inch Hi-Res with 10.5. In my opinion never fall 2 version behind if you use the system in working computer. So 10.5 is okey for to use it. Just disable some selectable 3D appereance menus and dashboard... Go directly 2 GB memory... Withy 2 GB memory i can use CS4 application other than Video applications good and infact in production environment for web. But yes it is slugshy a little but good for mobile working environment. Speed diffrence of two system is raughly %5, max %8... With 7200 rpm drive and 2 GB memory it will be ok i guess. 2009/12/7 mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience in the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down... I would hang on to the Leopard disc just in case you start having trouble with Tiger but I don't see this anytime soon... I would max out the memory though if you are looking for more speed and performance!!! -Original Message- From: mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:41 AM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Leopard or Tiger? I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
mythmaker18 wrote: I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy You will get better answers on the correct list. This list is for towers/desktops. Try the G4 book list. http://groups.google.com/group/g4books -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
The drive already has Tiger on it (and I've already run 'disable Tiger features' and stripped out the unnecessary languages, G3 support, etc for optimisation), so I may stick with that. By the way, I put a 5400 in there rather than looking for a 7200 because some people online seemed to be of the opinion that the 7200 drives might run a bit hot in these 'books and may also to cause battery life to take a hit. At least it's not the original slower drive... As for newer OSes generally being slower, maybe it's just me, but with OSX, I've generally found 10.4 to be a lot faster on my machines than 10.3, so that's pretty much why I was asking the question, since although this has been true for me in the past, I wasn't so sure 10.5 would give any speed gain (due to the use of Core), despite this 'book being within the acceptable specs to do an install. And I'm just now realising I probably should've posted this in the G4 'books forum. Clicked the wrong button in my favourites bar! I don't imagine putting 10.5 on my Digital Audio 733 G4 would be such a great idea, eh, even though it's got maxed RAM and a 7200 rpm drive? Guess it also depends on video card and that's a whole other ball of wax (I don't have the stock card installed: it's a GeForce 2mx or 4mx, I think, whatever the stock card was in the dual 867MHz Quicksilvers). Andy On Dec 7, 9:12 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience in the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down... I would hang on to the Leopard disc just in case you start having trouble with Tiger but I don't see this anytime soon... I would max out the memory though if you are looking for more speed and performance!!! -Original Message- From: mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:41 AM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Leopard or Tiger? I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
In my expreince and readings at most %8 speed difference and generally %5 speed difference inbetween 10.4 and 10.5. Even i try 10.4 on my powerbook after i install 10.5 because of recovery and returned back 10.5. I fell no difference in gui ( I always disable transparent dock and dashboard applications). I am using probably exactly same 5600 drive or 5400... Seagate Barracuda. But if i will go to buy i will definetly go to 7200 drive. Max out ram, your ATI 64 MB and includes every core aspects. Simpy even for Filezilla i rather choose 10.5. And 10.5 is a current system. 10.6 is just fixation. 2009/12/7 mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com The drive already has Tiger on it (and I've already run 'disable Tiger features' and stripped out the unnecessary languages, G3 support, etc for optimisation), so I may stick with that. By the way, I put a 5400 in there rather than looking for a 7200 because some people online seemed to be of the opinion that the 7200 drives might run a bit hot in these 'books and may also to cause battery life to take a hit. At least it's not the original slower drive... As for newer OSes generally being slower, maybe it's just me, but with OSX, I've generally found 10.4 to be a lot faster on my machines than 10.3, so that's pretty much why I was asking the question, since although this has been true for me in the past, I wasn't so sure 10.5 would give any speed gain (due to the use of Core), despite this 'book being within the acceptable specs to do an install. And I'm just now realising I probably should've posted this in the G4 'books forum. Clicked the wrong button in my favourites bar! I don't imagine putting 10.5 on my Digital Audio 733 G4 would be such a great idea, eh, even though it's got maxed RAM and a 7200 rpm drive? Guess it also depends on video card and that's a whole other ball of wax (I don't have the stock card installed: it's a GeForce 2mx or 4mx, I think, whatever the stock card was in the dual 867MHz Quicksilvers). Andy On Dec 7, 9:12 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience in the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down... I would hang on to the Leopard disc just in case you start having trouble with Tiger but I don't see this anytime soon... I would max out the memory though if you are looking for more speed and performance!!! -Original Message- From: mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:41 AM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Leopard or Tiger? I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: LaserJet 4100n problem
Well... Last night I took the fuser out... Didn't see a single wire running the length of the thing? Did I miss something? But there were four or five sets (4 each) of thin feeler type wires sticking up, where they'd touch the paper. Many seemed to have bits of schmutz stuck on their ends. I cleaned that off then carefully cleaned the dust/crud out of every place I could reach. It seems to have made a big difference! The light bar is now narrower and less light, barely noticeable. Going to run a few more cleaning cycles to see if that helps more. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newly installed 9200 video card won't wake up UPDATE
After going through all the resets with no changes I decided to pull the card again and noticed a difference in one of the gold foil contacts on the board. It was kind of crumpled up as if it peeled off the board during insertion. My question now is : Is there a way to repair such a tiny contact? Thanks All, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newly installed 9200 video card won't wake up UPDATE
On Dec 7, 2009, at 9:59 AM, tsaec...@att.net wrote: After going through all the resets with no changes I decided to pull the card again and noticed a difference in one of the gold foil contacts on the board. It was kind of crumpled up as if it peeled off the board during insertion. My question now is : Is there a way to repair such a tiny contact? Yes, there's a couple of ways. Electronics shops carry conductive paint, used to effect repairs on circuit boards, but this is generally not used on board edges. Here's a couple of methods: http://www.circuitmedic.com/guides/4-6-1.shtml http://www.circuitmedic.com/guides/4-6-2.shtml They sell the stuff you need to do this, but are oriented towards manufacturing. The kits are quite expensive. You may also be able to find a service that does this; I have no idea of the cost though. If the contact is just mangled and not torn off, you may be able to burnish it flat and glue it down, but this will require some delicate work under magnification; not out of line for many hobbyists, but it needs to be the right hobby. If your other hobbies include N-scale railroads, then it's right up your alley :-) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: LaserJet 4100n problem
Good reason There ain't one. The 'fuser' is a HOT surface to 'fuse' (melt the toner [finely ground plastic] into the surface of the paper. The 'charging wires' are next to the 'imaging drum' --- [photoactive surface that receives toner to form image] [NO fingers on drum surface please] Photo-drum surface may be cleaned gently with alcohol and a soft cloth. Chuck Davis On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dan wrote: Well... Last night I took the fuser out... Didn't see a single wire running the length of the thing? Did I miss something? But there were four or five sets (4 each) of thin feeler type wires sticking up, where they'd touch the paper. Many seemed to have bits of schmutz stuck on their ends. I cleaned that off then carefully cleaned the dust/crud out of every place I could reach. It seems to have made a big difference! The light bar is now narrower and less light, barely noticeable. Going to run a few more cleaning cycles to see if that helps more. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: annoying 'pause' on G4 MDD
At 10:07 AM -0800 12/6/2009, Demetrius wrote: thanks for the feedback folks, i've left the drives spinning and that seems to have solved the problem. but should i be worried that running the drives will significantly shorten their life span?! Repeated spin up/down cycles are far far far harder on a drive than just spinning. The MTBF spec numbers given by manufacturers are based on continual spinning, with perhaps maybe one or two down/up cycle per day. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Leopard or Tiger?
I put a new 7200RPM drive in my Pismo and at a rough guess I would say it made it 10-15% faster. On one of the LEM articles someone put Tiger and Leopard on the same G4 Powerbook ( 1.4Ghz from memory ) and using benchmarking tests found that Leopard slowed it down by only 4% - hardly noticeable in my opinion. Stewie Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:39:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Leopard or Tiger? From: mythmake...@yahoo.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com The drive already has Tiger on it (and I've already run 'disable Tiger features' and stripped out the unnecessary languages, G3 support, etc for optimisation), so I may stick with that. By the way, I put a 5400 in there rather than looking for a 7200 because some people online seemed to be of the opinion that the 7200 drives might run a bit hot in these 'books and may also to cause battery life to take a hit. At least it's not the original slower drive... As for newer OSes generally being slower, maybe it's just me, but with OSX, I've generally found 10.4 to be a lot faster on my machines than 10.3, so that's pretty much why I was asking the question, since although this has been true for me in the past, I wasn't so sure 10.5 would give any speed gain (due to the use of Core), despite this 'book being within the acceptable specs to do an install. And I'm just now realising I probably should've posted this in the G4 'books forum. Clicked the wrong button in my favourites bar! I don't imagine putting 10.5 on my Digital Audio 733 G4 would be such a great idea, eh, even though it's got maxed RAM and a 7200 rpm drive? Guess it also depends on video card and that's a whole other ball of wax (I don't have the stock card installed: it's a GeForce 2mx or 4mx, I think, whatever the stock card was in the dual 867MHz Quicksilvers). Andy On Dec 7, 9:12 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience in the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down... I would hang on to the Leopard disc just in case you start having trouble with Tiger but I don't see this anytime soon... I would max out the memory though if you are looking for more speed and performance!!! -Original Message- From: mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:41 AM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Leopard or Tiger? I recently purchased a 17 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. Speed is more important to me than simply being more current. Thanks for your opinions. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/823454/web-im-for-hotmail-is-here -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: On one of the LEM articles someone put Tiger and Leopard on the same G4 Powerbook ( 1.4Ghz from memory ) and using benchmarking tests found that Leopard slowed it down by only 4% - hardly noticeable in my opinion. That would be this article: http://lowendmac.com/ed/royal/09sr/leopard-vs-tiger.html I don't agree with this article. My experience is that the hit on performance is closer to the 15-20% range for any PPC Mac running Leopard as compared to the faster Tiger. I believe my estimate is born out by the archived results on both xBench Geekbench. Also, it should be noted that Intel Macs are the opposite, they are faster for Leopard and slower for Tiger. I put a new 7200RPM drive in my Pismo and at a rough guess I would say it made it 10-15% faster. EXACTLY! And this is the problem with the article you cited above. The comparison was done on the same Mac, BUT, the problem is that only one HD was used, and it was a triple booting (three partitions) of one single HD. The difference between partitions on one HD can be in the 10-15% or greater range, so if the Leopard OS was on a fast partition and the Tiger on a slow partition, the results would be skewed. In order to do a valid comparison you'd need to install a clean OS onto one HD or partition and run the test; then erase that HD or partition and install the other OS onto the SAME HD or partition and rerun the test. I believe if you run the tests on IDENTICAL setups you'll see that Leopard is 15-20% slower than Tiger. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Quicksilver Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue
Hi Listers, Sorry I haven't been back but with *most* of my problems solved, I've been too busy enjoying my Macs. :-) Anyway, present status: 1. After my BF replaced its PRAM battery, the Mini worked just fine. 2. My boyfriend helped me establish an Ethernet network (I have a hub) and KVM sharing/switching between the Quicksilver and Mini. (OOOH!! :-D) This network is almost fantabulous, except I somehow ended up with a minor issue with the Quicksilver's Network Preferences pane I have to fix to fully complete my vision (not to mention finally get off dialup in the next week or so: I just ordered a Verizon DSL and voice communications package today). Here's the problem -- when I go to System Prefs and click Network, I get this dialog box that says Your network settings have been changed by another application. I click the OK in this box, but it keeps popping up in my face, it won't go away, I can't actually get at my network preferences. The only way to make that weird dialog box go away is to force quit System Prefs! When I discovered this originally (over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend when me and my BF were setting this up), I had planned to set the Quicksilver's network prefs so that the Mini could show up on its desktop (this is the minor issue I referred to above). I still want to do that, but I'll also have to get in there I'm sure when I get my DSL modem from Verizon and I need to set that up. I suspect the possibility that the Network pref pane got corrupted somehow and I can fix it by deleting it, but I'm afraid to chance losing my settings, which I can't get at, and I still need to use my existing dialup account until I get the DSL up and running. Does anyone know if my suspicion to delete com.apple.NetworkDiagnostics.plist is actually the solution, and if I do it, will I lose my existing dialup internet settings? Oh. G4 867 Quicksilver running Tiger 10.4.11. One more quickie question: I decided to unmount one of the Quicksilver's internal HDs from the Mini, then decided I wanted it back, only when I go to Network (from either a Sidebar or the Go menu in Finder), it no longer offers that drive -- it's greyed out. Anyone know why? Thank you so much, ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue
At 4:34 PM -0500 12/7/2009, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: After my BF replaced its PRAM battery, the Mini worked just fine. GREAT!! Here's the problem -- when I go to System Prefs and click Network, I get this dialog box that says Your network settings have been changed by another application. I click the OK in this box, but it keeps popping up in my face, it won't go away, I can't actually get at my network preferences. Go into the Security system preferences and check the item to make it lock your system preferences. What's happening is that the Network pane is comparing its stored settings against the live settings currently running (that were updated by the DHCP client) - and complaining that there's a difference. Locking things will make that complaint go away. Dumb bug. One more quickie question: I decided to unmount one of the Quicksilver's internal HDs from the Mini, then decided I wanted it back, only when I go to Network (from either a Sidebar or the Go menu in Finder), it no longer offers that drive -- it's greyed out. Anyone know why? Did the drive spin down on the QS? Tip: While the drive is mounted, make an alias of it. Then you can remount it simply by double-clicking that alias, without having to go into the Networks pane and waiting for it to refresh. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD Ethernet Issue
So the other night I was copying about 30GB of files from my Hackintosh to my G4 MDD via Ethernet, part way through the copying the two computers got disconnected, and the Hackintosh no longer had an ip address. I restarted it and tried it again. It did the same thing. I tried dragging the files from the Hackintosh to the G4, using the G4, and it did the same thing. I originally thought that it was a problem with the Hackintosh perhaps due to the 3rd party Ethernet card I found in a box, so to test that theory, i hooked up my Powerbook and successfully copied the files from the Hackintosh to the PowerBook. I tried reseting the router, restarting the MDD. Nothing works. What could cause this? I have copied over 120GB of files from the Hackintosh to the MDD before without a problem. Here are the specs of the MDD: Dual 1GHZ G4 1.75GB Ram SuperDrive Combo Drive 250GB HD 250GB HD 160GB HD 80GB HD Running Mac OS 10.4 Server Thanks so much! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Ethernet Issue
On Dec 7, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: So the other night I was copying about 30GB of files from my Hackintosh to my G4 MDD via Ethernet, part way through the copying the two computers got disconnected, and the Hackintosh no longer had an ip address. Look at the system log and console logs on the Hack during this time, see if it tells you why the ethernet barfed. I'm with you that it's likely the 'found in a box' ethernet card in the Hack. what's the rated speed of your router? If both the Hack and MDD were trying for giganit, the best you can do on a Pismo is 100 megabit and with the vagaries of drive speeds etc, you may be getting a slower file transfer to the Pismo which kept the ethernet in the Hack from blowing up. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
EXACTLY! And this is the problem with the article you cited above. The comparison was done on the same Mac, BUT, the problem is that only one HD was used, and it was a triple booting (three partitions) of one single HD. The difference between partitions on one HD can be in the 10-15% or greater range, so if the Leopard OS was on a fast partition and the Tiger on a slow partition, the results would be skewed. In order to do a valid comparison you'd need to install a clean OS onto one HD or partition and run the test; then erase that HD or partition and install the other OS onto the SAME HD or partition and rerun the test. I believe if you run the tests on IDENTICAL setups you'll see that Leopard is 15-20% slower than Tiger. I would have to agree with this thread above!!! ^^^ I went through this on my G3 Clamshell iBook when I went from Jaguar to Panther so I cleaned it and reinstalled Jaguar!!! So I bought a G4 Titanium Powerbook 1ghz and 1g ram running Tiger!!! -Original Message- From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Sent: Dec 7, 2009 3:49 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Leopard or Tiger? e is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Leopard or Tiger?
Well maybe that is your experience Kris but the three people I have spoken to since have said Leopard ran 1) as fast as Tiger on a MDD dual 1GHz ( not faster but then not slower either ) 2) noticeably slower on a MDD single1.25 GHz 3) noticeably faster on a Powerbook 1.33 GHz All these were fresh installs after reformatting on the same hard drive and the same (mostly already maxxed) Ram. Why faster on a powerbook than a desktop ? Beats me. I think it can come down to individual models too. Leopard may just not like certain configurations although that flies in the face of most logic. Certainly none of this would put me off installing Leopard over Tiger on a PPC Mac. Besides try it for a while and if you don't like it, wipe the HD and reinstall Tiger. As for my Pismo , well I stand by my claim that it appears 10-15% faster with the newer faster HD. Note this had nothing to do with L vs T in my case but just straight performance gains in the same OS as a comparison. Tiger on my old 12Gb HD ( 5400 RPM ? )was slow but much improved in the new 7200RPM HD. Stewie From: ktilfo...@cox.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Leopard or Tiger? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:49:00 -0600 On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: On one of the LEM articles someone put Tiger and Leopard on the same G4 Powerbook ( 1.4Ghz from memory ) and using benchmarking tests found that Leopard slowed it down by only 4% - hardly noticeable in my opinion. That would be this article: http://lowendmac.com/ed/royal/09sr/leopard-vs-tiger.html I don't agree with this article. My experience is that the hit on performance is closer to the 15-20% range for any PPC Mac running Leopard as compared to the faster Tiger. I believe my estimate is born out by the archived results on both xBench Geekbench. Also, it should be noted that Intel Macs are the opposite, they are faster for Leopard and slower for Tiger. I put a new 7200RPM drive in my Pismo and at a rough guess I would say it made it 10-15% faster. EXACTLY! And this is the problem with the article you cited above. The comparison was done on the same Mac, BUT, the problem is that only one HD was used, and it was a triple booting (three partitions) of one single HD. The difference between partitions on one HD can be in the 10-15% or greater range, so if the Leopard OS was on a fast partition and the Tiger on a slow partition, the results would be skewed. In order to do a valid comparison you'd need to install a clean OS onto one HD or partition and run the test; then erase that HD or partition and install the other OS onto the SAME HD or partition and rerun the test. I believe if you run the tests on IDENTICAL setups you'll see that Leopard is 15-20% slower than Tiger. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Ethernet Issue
The PowerBook I used to copy the files is a G4 1.25GHZ. All of the machines are plugged into the same 10/100 router. This is why I think the MDD is at fault. I was going to look at the logs on the Hack, but I upgraded the HD and therefor reformatted, thats why I needed to move those files. As I said before, I have copied over 100GB from the Hack to the MDD without a problem before this. I am going to try copying something big from the PowerBook to the MDD and see if the PowerBook screws up. I will report back shortly. Thanks! -Jonas On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.eduwrote: On Dec 7, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: So the other night I was copying about 30GB of files from my Hackintosh to my G4 MDD via Ethernet, part way through the copying the two computers got disconnected, and the Hackintosh no longer had an ip address. Look at the system log and console logs on the Hack during this time, see if it tells you why the ethernet barfed. I'm with you that it's likely the 'found in a box' ethernet card in the Hack. what's the rated speed of your router? If both the Hack and MDD were trying for giganit, the best you can do on a Pismo is 100 megabit and with the vagaries of drive speeds etc, you may be getting a slower file transfer to the Pismo which kept the ethernet in the Hack from blowing up. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: Besides try it for a while and if you don't like it, wipe the HD and reinstall Tiger. Yes, this is exactly what I've had to do for a friend whose aluminum PowerBook G4 1.67 GHz was too slow with Photoshop under Leopard 10.5.8 and very useable under Tiger 10.4.11. Since I was doing the work for free, I argued strenuously against the downgrade, but when I saw the difference in performance myself, it led to me investigating this using the xBench and Geekbench archives, as well as doing my own comparisons on my G5 desktop. I'm convinced that Leopard is enough slower to notice the difference, but in my case, I've chosen to stick with Leopard on my G5 for now, mostly because of the difficulty of downgrading since I've installed many Leopard only apps that would also need downgrading. I can't see much progress in OS X between 10.4.11 and 10.6.2. Spaces Time Machine are the two biggies, both of which I can live without. Leopard is the ONLY universal version of OS X, and it seems both bloated and slow(er) for PPC Macs. You can strip out the Intel code bloat using Monolingual, but that doesn't help the speed any. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
