Re: What should I use

2010-11-13 Thread Clark Martin

On Nov 13, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

> 
> 
>  I'm here struggling on what I should do. I currently have a PowerMac G4 
> QuickSilver Dual 1Ghz, 1.5 GB RAM, Standard Video Card that I have been using 
> as a server. It currently has Mac OS X 10.4.11 Server on it. However, I'm 
> worried that Tiger is getting dated. The costs of Leopard Server are way 
> beyond my means. I currently use this box as a file server and media server. 
> From everything I can see I could do that with just a standard install of 
> Leopard. What would people recommend for me stick with 10.4 Server or upgrade 
> to Desktop version of 10.5? What features will I lose if any? Why is server 
> more useful for the Macintosh?
> 

What is it being used for?  

To me, OS X Server has three features.  

1)  Assorted server functions included

2)  Industrial strength AppleShare Server

3)  All the above integrated  with a GUI front end.

Most of the services can be added one way or another.

I'm not sure now how much difference in the AppleShare Server there is between 
OSX Server and OS X Client.  In pre 'X' days the Server package was quite a bit 
faster (and it supported many more simultaneous clients).  I don't think the 
difference is so great with OS X.


I'm running a PM G4 DA with OS X.4 (client) as my home server.  It has about 
2Tb of storage using a SATA controller.  It is connected into my gigabit 
switch.  It supplies AFP, HTTP, FTP, DHCP, DNS and QT streaming.  The last 
three I added to the standard install.  DHCP and DNS need to be compiled.  I'm 
using Webmin to administer DHCP and DNS, that really helps, especially since I 
can do it from any computer on the network.

Prior to going to an OS X (client) server I used several versions of AppleShare 
Server.  I'd have to say that OS X client works pretty well as a server.  I 
typically don't have more than 6 clients connected and usually only two active 
at once.  I do play QuickTime movies directly from the server and they play 
nicely.


Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Bruce


M Christol wrote:

I have not had any problems with CS3 on a MacBook Pro.
==
On 11/13/10 3:25 PM, Bruce wrote:

Hello Tom,

Adobe CS1, CS2, CS3, have problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard.

Adobe CS4 and CS5 have no problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard.

=
Hello,

All I will say about the subject is that the Forums have many
messages like the following:

Bruce Sugarberg
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Apr 22, 2010 10:45 AM  in response to: XX
Re: How do I get my Dreamweaver CS3 for mac to stop crashing

Thank you so much for the advice. Unfortunately I think you are right about
the OS update... I stopped by an Apple Genius and he said that Snow Leopard 
is not compatible with CS3 or vice versa...


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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Charles Lenington

On 11/13/10 4:57 PM, Tom wrote:

Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move
up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll
have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to
just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine,

read up on partitioning intel uses guid instead of hfs


and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower
man, then.

As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some
flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be
problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my
way up to 10.6 gradually.

Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro
from another; Bruce up above mentions a "second generation" of them,
and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor
stuff.

But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a
"second generation" 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around
$1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro
that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too
much for the money?

Tom



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What should I use

2010-11-13 Thread Albert Carter
All,

 I'm here struggling on what I should do. I currently have a PowerMac G4 
QuickSilver Dual 1Ghz, 1.5 GB RAM, Standard Video Card that I have been using 
as a server. It currently has Mac OS X 10.4.11 Server on it. However, I'm 
worried that Tiger is getting dated. The costs of Leopard Server are way beyond 
my means. I currently use this box as a file server and media server. From 
everything I can see I could do that with just a standard install of Leopard. 
What would people recommend for me stick with 10.4 Server or upgrade to Desktop 
version of 10.5? What features will I lose if any? Why is server more useful 
for the Macintosh?


Thank You,
Albert



  

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Re: G5 Shutdown issues

2010-11-13 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/11/07 23:35, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

I'd try doing a Safe Boot to reset the System cache files, and see if
that helps?


I ran into this issue again today and the Safe Boot seemed to resolve 
it, though I don't expect it to be a permanent fix. Thank you for the 
suggestion Kris.


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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
I believe PowerMax has systems in your budget.

www.powermax.com

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 16:57, Tom  wrote:
> Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move
> up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll
> have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to
> just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine,
> and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower
> man, then.
>
> As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some
> flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be
> problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my
> way up to 10.6 gradually.
>
> Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro
> from another; Bruce up above mentions a "second generation" of them,
> and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor
> stuff.
>
> But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a
> "second generation" 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around
> $1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro
> that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too
> much for the money?
>
> Tom
>
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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Tom
Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move
up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll
have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to
just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine,
and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower
man, then.

As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some
flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be
problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my
way up to 10.6 gradually.

Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro
from another; Bruce up above mentions a "second generation" of them,
and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor
stuff.

But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a
"second generation" 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around
$1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro
that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too
much for the money?

Tom

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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread M Christol

I have not had any problems with CS3 on a MacBook Pro.

On 11/13/10 3:25 PM, Bruce wrote:

Hello Tom,

Adobe CS1, CS2, CS3, have problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard.

Adobe CS4 and CS5 have no problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard.

Also, regarding Intel Macs, there is speculation that 10.7 Lion
will drop support for the Core Duo Intel CPU Macs, because they are
only 32 bit processors.  So, you probably only want to consider
Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Macs, because they are 64 bit processors.

I have seen several used Intel Core 2 Duo CPU Mac Pros selling
for right around a $1000.00 recently.

A new Intel Mac Mini is only $699.00.  Used Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Mac
Minis are currently selling in the $200 to $300 price range.

Bruce Sugarberg
===
Tom wrote:

After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the
boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather
than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't
have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a
replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and
this is my excuse to get one.

The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for
a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better
one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac?

I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom
shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you
guys.

I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes
Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great
with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software,
especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel
Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine
continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the
software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't
know.

If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP,
just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little.
So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or
rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously
leaky liquid-cooled ones?

I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should
get before I go hunting for one on Ebay.





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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Ashgrove
Tom,

An easy rule of thumb is: if you do not do intensive video work, you
can make do with PPC. Which is obviously not your case. Go Intel, my
friend, and see those rendering times come down A LOT.

As far as I can see, a used Core 2 Duo iMac won't cost much more than
a tricked out G5, and it would be a much better choice. A used Mac Pro
would definitely be much more up your alley. Of course it'll be
pricier, but think of all the time and aggravation (not to mention
electricity) you will save in the long run by buying now the highest
end machine you can afford.

And of course, like Bruce says, everything that works in Leopard tends
to just work in Snow Leopard. The only real exception I have ever seen
is DVD2One, which had faithfully worked for me since Tiger through
Snow Leopard, but was broken by the recent 10.6.5 upgrade. (I'm sure
it will be patched at some point, though.)

Felix

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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
Whats so bad? Cleaning up the Mountain Dew is FUN!

Get a used C2D Mac Mini.

Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC
architecture.


On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:52 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:

>
> On Nov 13, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Tom wrote:
>
> > After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the
> > boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather
> > than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't
> > have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a
> > replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and
> > this is my excuse to get one.
> >
> > The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for
> > a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better
> > one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac?
> >
> > I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom
> > shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you
> > guys.
> >
> > I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes
> > Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great
> > with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software,
> > especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel
> > Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine
> > continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the
> > software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't
> > know.
> >
> > If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP,
> > just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little.
> > So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or
> > rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously
> > leaky liquid-cooled ones?
> >
> > I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should
> > get before I go hunting for one on Ebay.
> >
> I love the liquid cooled models because I like to work on Mac's :-) however
> my advice to you on the cash side of things I would get an Imac Intel 2.8 or
> up and stick to 10.5.8 as long as you can hold out on the software issues. I
> have Snow Leopard too but cost wise I like to be able to be backward
> compatible wherever possible.
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
> Sent from my MBP
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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread John Carmonne

On Nov 13, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Tom wrote:

> After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the
> boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather
> than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't
> have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a
> replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and
> this is my excuse to get one.
> 
> The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for
> a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better
> one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac?
> 
> I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom
> shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you
> guys.
> 
> I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes
> Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great
> with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software,
> especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel
> Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine
> continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the
> software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't
> know.
> 
> If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP,
> just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little.
> So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or
> rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously
> leaky liquid-cooled ones?
> 
> I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should
> get before I go hunting for one on Ebay.
> 
I love the liquid cooled models because I like to work on Mac's :-) however my 
advice to you on the cash side of things I would get an Imac Intel 2.8 or up 
and stick to 10.5.8 as long as you can hold out on the software issues. I have 
Snow Leopard too but cost wise I like to be able to be backward compatible 
wherever possible.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP



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G5 PM temps

2010-11-13 Thread John Carmonne


Now that all's well on my PM G5 Dual 2.7 with new heat sink I want to know what 
to think about temp ranges on the CPU's. The limit says 181.4F  they are 
running at 141.F  to 162.F while on the net  burning a CD along with Mail 
running and a radio program on and transferring a 1GB file via Ethernet to try 
to work it. I'm using "Hardware Monitor" to check this does that seem OK? Also 
is the another boot CD that I can get that will check the CPU's other than ASD 
2.5.7 or ASD 2.5.8?



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
>From my PM G5 Dual 2.7

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Firmware updates?

2010-11-13 Thread John Carmonne
Hi All
Were the firmware updates included in software updates from Apple? I'm 
wondering because
the boot ROM on my PM G5 is 5.2.4f1 and the offering on the Apple firmware 
download site is 
5.1.5f2.  This is also true on my TiBooks. Did Apple discontinue to offer the 
boot ROM's?
Or am I checking the wrong site?




John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Bruce

Hello Tom,

Adobe CS1, CS2, CS3, have problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard.

Adobe CS4 and CS5 have no problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard.

Also, regarding Intel Macs, there is speculation that 10.7 Lion
will drop support for the Core Duo Intel CPU Macs, because they are
only 32 bit processors.  So, you probably only want to consider
Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Macs, because they are 64 bit processors.

I have seen several used Intel Core 2 Duo CPU Mac Pros selling
for right around a $1000.00 recently.

A new Intel Mac Mini is only $699.00.  Used Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Mac
Minis are currently selling in the $200 to $300 price range.

Bruce Sugarberg
===
Tom wrote:

After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the
boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather
than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't
have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a
replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and
this is my excuse to get one.

The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for
a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better
one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac?

I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom
shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you
guys.

I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes
Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great
with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software,
especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel
Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine
continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the
software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't
know.

If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP,
just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little.
So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or
rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously
leaky liquid-cooled ones?

I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should
get before I go hunting for one on Ebay.



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Re: G5 Dual processors not bad?

2010-11-13 Thread John Carmonne

On Nov 12, 2010, at 10:43 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

> I have a PM G5 Dual 2.7 that I just replaced the heat sink on. It had leaked 
> and I was able to catch it before it did any real damage.
> After I did the installation I booted ASD 2.5.8 and the Calibration page said 
> that calibration wasn't needed. The  "OS" and "OF" passed.  Also I have 
> "Hardware Monitor and all the temps and pump RPM's are correct.
> 
> But just for laughs I went back and ran the ASD fan calibration to see what 
> it would say and to my surprise it said that I need to replace both 
> processors which I'm thinking this is not correct because every thing seems 
> to be working properly, the fans sound like they're cycling correctly and all 
> the other tests pass. Can this be because the heat sink is not the original 
> and the report is false?
> 
 
Update
I got  ASD 2.5.7 and upon booting and selecting the Thermal calibration is says 
calibration not needed. And It will not allow the initiation of the calibration 
operation, however the ASD 2.5.8 says not needed but will let me try anyway. So 
I think that the 2.5.8 may produce a false reading if calibration is not 
needed. And again the "OS" and "OF" passed all two hours of it :-)



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP



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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/11/13 12:33, Tom so eloquently wrote:

If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP,
just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little.


I don't think you are going to get a whole lot of improvement in 
rendering times with even a G5 DC 2.3, it sounds like maybe an Intel 
quad might be better suited to your needs.


My PM (below) can take days for some tasks such as Handbrake, admittedly 
I use some pretty demanding settings.


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Re: Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Nov 13, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Tom wrote:

> 
> The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for
> a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better
> one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac?

IMO, absolutely the latter; all of those apps should work on an Intel Mac as 
most are Universal. CS2 is the sticking point; it is not, so it'll run in 
emulation, and I think they deprecated CS2 for 10.6. Final Cut, which appears 
to be your main app, does run natively on Intel. The PPC is a dead end; I 
wouldn't waste my money on one at this point.

I'd go hunting a used mac Pro or higher end iMac (definitely second gen Intel 
or better). You didn't mention your price range, but obviously, the more you 
can spend the more you can advance your platform.

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Which used Mac to buy?

2010-11-13 Thread Tom
After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the
boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather
than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't
have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a
replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and
this is my excuse to get one.

The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for
a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better
one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac?

I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom
shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you
guys.

I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes
Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great
with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software,
especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel
Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine
continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the
software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't
know.

If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP,
just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little.
So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or
rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously
leaky liquid-cooled ones?

I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should
get before I go hunting for one on Ebay.

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Re: ADC to DVI Adaptor

2010-11-13 Thread Geke
Trickster,
Wow, G5 is certainly a different league than G4, also regarding
graphic card prices!
Then the best option (for little money) indeed seems to be the ADC
adapter...
Or, maybe, a PCI graphics card for the second screen, but those could
also be expensive, if you want to make best use of the G5's PCI-X or
PCI-X2 port. Here's an overview of G5 models and their cards:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/faq/powermac-g5-adc-ports-dvi-ports-resolutions-supported.html

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