Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[schaffpa]

- "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio"  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Dan < dantear...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> At 8:51 PM + 3/4/2011, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Wow, cool. He got people to look at a clever production dissing Apple
>>> and no one minded .
> 
>> But it has oompa loompas in it!
> 
> 
> But they are saying stuff that is aimed at making Mac users feel used.
> 
> It's just WRONG !
> 



> And anyone who thinks Apple fans are buying Apple products because
> they are deluded should wake the hell up.
> 
> And why are they allowed to spread the garbage unopposed on LEM ?


But it has oompa loompas in it!  ;^)

 - Peter

PS:  Quick, someone give Adrian a Mac Pro!

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Yersinia]

On 3/4/11 7:46 PM, glen wrote:




- Original Message 

From: Dan
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Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 2:26:27 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

At 2:15 PM -0500 3/4/2011, Yersinia wrote:

On 3/4/11 10:10 AM, Dan  wrote:



And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing  Oompas!

Hmmm, is this something which requires Leopard, Snow  Leopard or an Intel

Mac? All I got (G4 867 QS/Tiger 10.4.11/Safari 4.1.3), for  as long as I was
willing to put up with it (not long!) was a black screen and  really annoying
interrupted dialog.

It plays ok on my 933 MHz  QuickSilver, under Tiger.  Took a little while to
get going tho.  The  site seems to be under quite a load.

- Dan.



Plays just fine. Well, one small hiccup on my 450 MHz Smurf (an overclocked 400
MHz) with 896 MB of RAM. Much better than most YouTube stuff. --glen


:sigh OK, it just won't work for ME. I just tried again (it's 
lots of hours later than when I first tried)...no go, same crap.






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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Chance Reecher]

On 3/4/11 9:50 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:



But they are saying stuff that is aimed at making Mac users feel used.

It's just WRONG !

Mac users at least those who don't buy them to run Winblowz. do so 
because they know the stuff works and works reliably.


Why watch or listen to crap that screws with that.

Just say no to people screwing with what you know to be true.

You who know me from the last ten yeas know i do not like a ;ot of 
Apple policies and decisions.


But you won't find me saying false negative excretia about the Mac OS 
and the products.


The whole point of making money is to afford the stuff that causes the 
least headaches. So you can make more money faster.


When I think that is a Winblowz product you will hear or see me say it.

I cannot say it now.

Anyone who thinks MS makes the best OS is just not using an OS much at 
all.


And anyone who thinks Apple fans are buying Apple products because 
they are deluded should wake the hell up.


And why are they allowed to spread the garbage unopposed on LEM ?


Either you're being terribly sarcastic or you just can't take a joke. 
Y'all are being way too serious about a funny (and rather good) piece of 
comedy. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a devout Mac user and I 
didn't feel the slightest bit "used" after watching that.


Just my .02.

Chance

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Dan  wrote:

> At 8:51 PM + 3/4/2011, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>> Wow, cool. He got people to look at a clever production dissing Apple and
>> no one minded .
>>
>
> But it has oompa loompas in it!



But they are saying stuff that is aimed at making Mac users feel used.

It's just WRONG !

Mac users at least those who don't buy them to run Winblowz. do so because
they know the stuff works and works reliably.

Why watch or listen to crap that screws with that.

Just say no to people screwing with what you know to be true.

You who know me from the last ten yeas know i do not like a ;ot of Apple
policies and decisions.

But you won't find me saying false negative excretia about the Mac OS and
the products.

The whole point of making money is to afford the stuff that causes the least
headaches. So you can make more money faster.

When I think that is a Winblowz product you will hear or see me say it.

I cannot say it now.

Anyone who thinks MS makes the best OS is just not using an OS much at all.

And anyone who thinks Apple fans are buying Apple products because they are
deluded should wake the hell up.

And why are they allowed to spread the garbage unopposed on LEM ?




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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[glen]

- Original Message 
> From: Dan 
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 2:26:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!
> 
> At 2:15 PM -0500 3/4/2011, Yersinia wrote:
> > On 3/4/11 10:10 AM, Dan  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing  Oompas!
> > 
> > Hmmm, is this something which requires Leopard, Snow  Leopard or an Intel 
>Mac? All I got (G4 867 QS/Tiger 10.4.11/Safari 4.1.3), for  as long as I was 
>willing to put up with it (not long!) was a black screen and  really annoying 
>interrupted dialog.
> 
> It plays ok on my 933 MHz  QuickSilver, under Tiger.  Took a little while to 
>get going tho.  The  site seems to be under quite a load.
> 
> - Dan.
>


Plays just fine. Well, one small hiccup on my 450 MHz Smurf (an overclocked 400 
MHz) with 896 MB of RAM. Much better than most YouTube stuff. --glen


  

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Arnel Tuazon]

LOL!! LOVE IT!   Thanks Dan!

I'm glad they included the song "Pure Imagination" it's my fav from the
original Willy Wonka.  Those Apple Loompas don't look Chinese though.
Shouldn't they?



On 04/03/11 10:10 AM, "Dan"  wrote:

> 
> 
> And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing Oompas!
> 
> - Dan.


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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Dan]

At 8:51 PM + 3/4/2011, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
Wow, cool. He got people to look at a clever production dissing 
Apple and no one minded .


But it has oompa loompas in it!

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

> Wow, cool. He got people to look at a clever production dissing Apple and no
> one minded .

Feh, I'm used to being told I'm an over-priveleged twit who buys computers 
based on looks not function, and am under the mind control of Steve Jobs, and 
Macs are just toys for idiots because Real Men measure their penises with 
Windows Rulers. 

la la lah "you're just a DFH mac-user"...ha ha, it's sooo funny I've laughed 
every time since 1992 when some windows half-wit has said thatthen they 
turn around and beg me for help with their windows boxen. "Oh my computer just 
says I've got viruses and won't let me do anything! Help me!" 

The bit with Bill Gates whinging about how no one wants a Zune was funny, tho. 
Reminded me of this one:



-- 
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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

Wow, cool. He got people to look at a clever production dissing Apple and no
one minded .

Brilliant

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Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly)

[schaffpa]

My dualcore 2.3 PM has 2 ethernet ports, each is separate, with 2 different 
Ethernet ports. I've only used one so can't comment on speed differences. They 
are supposed to be the same. YMMV 

- Peter 

PS: Excuse the dreaded "top post" but comcast mailer overrides all 
sensibilities. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 6:57:39 AM 
Subject: Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly) 

(context restored) 

At 1:01 PM + 3/4/2011, Andy wrote: 
>At 8:18 PM -0500 3/3/2011, Dan wrote: 
>>At 2:56 PM -0800 3/3/2011, AndyTheMac wrote: 
>>>wired network 
>>>1 dual 2.5GHZ G5, 1 QS 733, 2 GigE G4s and a BW G3 plus a minolta printer. 
>> 
>>This G5? 
>>.../powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html 
> 
>This one  

Ok. You mean the Quad, then? 

 

>>>They all go into a Netgear 8 port gigabit router and then connect 
>>>to the internet through a Netgear modem. 

Please clarify - exactly what model router? what model modem? This 
is to some sort of cable service or DSL or ? 

>>>The download speeds form the internet to all the machines except 
>>>the G5 fluctuate between 20 and 30 KB/s. The G5 achieves download 
>>>speeds of around 400 KB/s with the cable in the bottom of the 2 
>>>Ethernet ports. 
>>>If I plug my Macbook into the network using the cable from the G5 
>>>I get between 20 - 30 KB/s. 
>>>If I plug that same cable into the top port in the G5, the 
>>>download speed drops to 20 - 30 KB/s. 
>>>The modem is, allegedly, connect to the internet with a downstream 
>>>speed of 7.9MB/s. 

> >How exactly are you measuring this speed? 
> 
>Inaccurately. By downloading a 5MB file from the same server and 
>noting the data transfer rate in the download window. 

Inaccurately is an understatement. To many unknown variables - 
server speed, the throughput of the network between you and it, 
browser overhead, browser averaging, etc. 

Use a real speed test, please. Of course, please make it clean test 
- no other apps running and no other network traffic on your LAN. 

 

 

> >Please clarify your units. Do you mean megabytes per second or megabits? 
> 
>Sorry, I mixed units! The G5 bottom port - 400kbps, G5 top port - 
>20-30kbps, all other machines 20-30kbps (kilobits per second) 

And your internet service is supposed to be 8 Mbps? 
(7.9 MB/sec would be ~80 Mbps -- expensive). 

30 Kbps (less than V.90 dial-up speed!) over an 8 Mbps service is 
pitiful. Because that affects all your Macs, it's starting to sound 
like you have a cabling or switch or router or modem issue. The 
information from the ifconfig (Bruce's reply) will be helpful. 

> >Check to see what speed your ethernet link has sync'd at. 
> 
>Not done that yet but my Macbook connects with other ethernet networks at 
>full 1000mbps yet when using the same cable and router port as the G5 
>bottom ethernet port, the speed changes. 

Anything talking to that router via wi-fi? (You didn't say exactly 
what model router it is, so I'm guessing it does wi-fi). Asking 
because I've seen many less-expensive routers taken to their knees 
because of being overloaded. 

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[James E. Therrault]

On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Dan wrote:

>>> 
>>> 
>>> And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing Oompas!



It started out great but just stopped about 15% of the way in.

JT

(Late 2009 Mac Mini)



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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Dan]

At 2:15 PM -0500 3/4/2011, Yersinia wrote:

On 3/4/11 10:10 AM, Dan wrote:



And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing Oompas!


Hmmm, is this something which requires Leopard, Snow Leopard or an 
Intel Mac? All I got (G4 867 QS/Tiger 10.4.11/Safari 4.1.3), for as 
long as I was willing to put up with it (not long!) was a black 
screen and really annoying interrupted dialog.


It plays ok on my 933 MHz QuickSilver, under Tiger.  Took a little 
while to get going tho.  The site seems to be under quite a load.


- Dan.
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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Yersinia]

On 3/4/11 10:10 AM, Dan wrote:



And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing Oompas!

- Dan.
Hmmm, is this something which requires Leopard, Snow Leopard or an Intel 
Mac? All I got (G4 867 QS/Tiger 10.4.11/Safari 4.1.3), for as long as I 
was willing to put up with it (not long!) was a black screen and really 
annoying interrupted dialog. I never got to see or hear anybody singing 
anything because I didn't have the patience to put up with the "crappy 
reception" long enough to make it that far. (on this note I also just 
plain stopped even trying to watch Accuweather.com videos awhile back 
for similar reasons; I got the video (out of sync but got it) but the 
interrupted stop-go-on-off audio crap drove me totally up the wall!)


Oh well

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Apple Oompa Loompas!

[Dan]

And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing Oompas!

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Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly)

[Dan]

(context restored)

At 1:01 PM + 3/4/2011, Andy wrote:

At 8:18 PM -0500 3/3/2011, Dan wrote:

At 2:56 PM -0800 3/3/2011, AndyTheMac wrote:

wired network
1 dual 2.5GHZ G5, 1 QS 733, 2 GigE G4s and a BW G3 plus a minolta printer.


This G5?
.../powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html


This one 


Ok.  You mean the Quad, then?


They all go into a Netgear 8 port gigabit router and then connect 
to the internet through a Netgear modem.


Please clarify - exactly what model router?  what model modem?  This 
is to some sort of cable service or DSL or ?


The download speeds form the internet to all the machines except 
the G5 fluctuate between 20 and 30 KB/s. The G5 achieves download 
speeds of around 400 KB/s with the cable in the bottom of the 2 
Ethernet ports.
If I plug my Macbook into the network using the cable from the G5 
I get between 20 - 30 KB/s.
If I plug that same cable into the top port in the G5, the 
download speed drops to 20 - 30 KB/s.
The modem is, allegedly, connect to the internet with a downstream 
speed of 7.9MB/s.



 >How exactly are you measuring this speed?

Inaccurately. By downloading a 5MB file from the same server and 
noting the data transfer rate in the download window.


Inaccurately is an understatement.  To many unknown variables - 
server speed, the throughput of the network between you and it, 
browser overhead, browser averaging, etc.


Use a real speed test, please.  Of course, please make it clean test 
- no other apps running and no other network traffic on your LAN.







 >Please clarify your units.  Do you mean megabytes per second or megabits?

Sorry, I mixed units!  The G5 bottom port  - 400kbps, G5 top port -
20-30kbps, all other machines 20-30kbps (kilobits per second)


And your internet service is supposed to be 8 Mbps?
(7.9 MB/sec would be ~80 Mbps -- expensive).

30 Kbps (less than V.90 dial-up speed!) over an 8 Mbps service is 
pitiful.  Because that affects all your Macs, it's starting to sound 
like you have a cabling or switch or router or modem issue.  The 
information from the ifconfig (Bruce's reply) will be helpful.



 >Check to see what speed your ethernet link has sync'd at.

Not done that yet but my Macbook connects with other ethernet networks at
full 1000mbps yet when using the same cable and router port as the G5
bottom ethernet port, the speed changes.


Anything talking to that router via wi-fi?  (You didn't say exactly 
what model router it is, so I'm guessing it does wi-fi).  Asking 
because I've seen many less-expensive routers taken to their knees 
because of being overloaded.


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Success! Victory!

[smac0031]

I have just successfully cloned my boot drive that was destroyed two
weeks ago Monday to a new HD.

This was one of the easiest fixes I have ever done. I got a new HD
controller card for the burned out drive from a guy in British
Columbia who sells these on eBay. I put the repaired drive into a
Firewire enclosure and copied it using Carbon Copy Cloner.

The guy in BC sends a little torx screwdriver with the controller
board, although I didn't need it. There are six screws that have to be
removed (this is a Seagate drive). Remove the old controller and screw
in the new one.

The only problems I had involved the SIIG Ultra-133 controller card.
This thing is almost totally useless. I tried booting up with the
regular boot drive connected to the motherboard controller and the
recovered drive and the new drive connected to the SIIG. After that
everything I tried anything involving the SIIG shortly resulted in a
kernel panic.

At the moment I have nothing connected to the SIIG and its behaving
itself. It's back to its old ways. I first bought that thing and all
it did was kernel panic. That is why I got the Sonnet Tempo Ultra-133
ATA controller card which is excellent and has always worked
flawlessly

Oh well, I was able to copy my iTunes library to it. I don't know what
gives, but if you have the opportunity to get one of these cards you
should pass.

Mark Murphy

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Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly)

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 3:56 PM, AndyTheMac wrote:

> They all go into a Netgear 8 port
> gigabit router and then connect to the internet through a Netgear
> modem.

Is this actually a router or is it just a switch? Routers are generally 
'smarter' devices, and if their configuration is screwed up, they can produce 
things like what you see.

When you connect the devices, fire up terminal on each and run the command :

ifconfig -a

Look for en0 on most of the devices, and en1 for the other ethernet port on the 
G5.

This is what mine looks like:

en0: flags=8863 mtu 1500
ether 00:30:1b:46:2b:90 
inet6 fe80::230:1bff:fe46:2b90%en0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 
inet 192.168.1.3 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: autoselect (100baseTX )
status: active

The 'media' line is what you want to pay attention to. If the 'router' is 
flaking out, it might be autoconfiguring the different systems differently, 
like half-duplex (meaning it can only talk in one direction at once) or even 
auto-negotiating down to 100baseTX from 1000BaseTX...the disparity in speeds 
sure sounds like the difference between 1000mbit and 100mbit connection speeds. 

Also there could be differences in the top line for the MTU, although that's 
unlikely.

Also, in Network Utility in the Utilities folder look at the Transfer 
Statistics for the interfaces (in the Info tab). You should generally see few, 
if any errors. If you see a lot there's a problem somwhere in the system, 
either the ethernet hardware on the system, the cable or the switch.



-- 
Bruce Johnson

"Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD

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Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly)

[Andy]

On 04/03/2011 01:18AM, "Dan"  wrote:

Thanks Dan
>
>This G5?
>p.html>

This one 

>
>How exactly are you measuring this speed?

Inaccurately. By downloading a 5MB file from the same server and noting
the data transfer rate in the download window.

>
>Please clarify your units.  Do you mean megabytes per second or megabits?

Sorry, I mixed units!  The G5 bottom port  - 400kbps, G5 top port -
20-30kbps, all other machines 20-30kbps (kilobits per second)

>
>Two ethernet ports on the G5?  One is built-in and the other is
>something you added?

Both built in


>Check to see what speed your ethernet link has sync'd at.

Not done that yet but my Macbook connects with other ethernet networks at
full 1000mbps yet when using the same cable and router port as the G5
bottom ethernet port, the speed changes.
It seems as though whatever cable is plugged into the G5 bottom port, I
get expected transfer speed from the internet but anything else plugged in
the speed plummets. I haven't yet tried transferring data between machines
- will do later.

Andy 


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Re: MDD problem

[Jörg Duurkoop]

Hi Clark,

I don't know why. I like the old Adobe apps because I worked a lot
with them professionally. But since I installed CS2 on my Tiger disk I
could not start them any more using Classic. I could and can in
Panther though.  I don't like to start natively in OS9 although I had
to do that in order to use my SCSI-scanner and MOD drives. OSX also
"should" recognize my scanner via the Adaptec SCSI-card but VueScan
never finds a scanner.

Also when I had installed CS 2 on my MDD under Tiger I couldn't use
CS2 under Panther any more because I have only a license for one
computer. After dismounting my Tiger disks in Panther they worked fine
again. Now even with the Tiger disks mounted CS2 workes flawlessly in
Panther and all old Adobe apps, too (Photoshop 4, Illustrator 9,
Acrobat 4 - they are much faster under Classic in OSX than CS2 and
start in a flash).

At least after the recent swap my Logitech webcam is recognized in
Tiger too and its mic also as "unknown USB-device". And I found that
video performance is much better now. When I watch YouTube videos they
don't hiccup anymore but both processors appear to work at 100 percent
sometimes ;-)

My best regards to everyone here,

Jörg.

On 3 mrt, 20:23, Clark Martin  wrote:
> On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Jörg Duurkoop wrote:
>
> > Hi Thomas,
>
> > Thanks for your input. I tried to remove the board, removed the
> > heatsink and the one screw that is supposed to hold the mobo down and
> > tried to slide the board out. It wouldn't budge so I left everything
> > in place and only replaced the PSU and the fans, the main fan I have
> > is a very quiet German Papst fan.
>
> I replaced the motherboard on one of my QuickSilvers.  I was using  
> the iFixit instructions and when it got to the point of removing the  
> motherboard it would budge either.  It turned out that some of the  
> standoffs that hold the processor were screwed through the board into  
> standoffs mounted to the case.  Those standoffs were NOT in the  
> instructions.  Once I removed those the board slid out easily.
>
>
>
> > All is working again and the Finder and startup seem a little faster
> > but not much. It looks like the implementation of the second processor
> > is not very good. I'm running the latest Tiger version mostly - if I
> > want to use "heritage" Adobe apps I have to switch back to good ole
> > Panther.
>
> Why?  I have the set of Adobe apps that are Carbon and they are still  
> working under Snow Leopard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: IDE / SATA Converter

[faithie999]

i haven't tried one of those converters, but i did have success in
installing a Sonnet PCI SATA card in order to use a SATA drive.  as i
understand it, the Sonnet card is one of the few that supports booting
from a SATA drive.  once in a great while they are available on ebay,
but i bought mine (new) from Provantage.  it works great.  i don't
know if i'm getting full SATA speeds from to the PCI architecture in
the G4, but i'm sure it's faster than the G4's ATA bus.  one of the
experts here can comment on that.

http://www.provantage.com/sonnet-technologies-tsata~7SONT03H.htm

ken



On Mar 4, 4:07 am, nick telis  wrote:
> Has anyone on the list installed one of these or similar adapters in a  
> G4 MDD 1.42 or any G4 MDD?
>
> IOMAX Bi-Directional IDE / SATA Converter (Connect IDE Drive to SATA  
> Motherboard or SATA Drive to IDE Motherboard)
>
> Nick

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Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?

[Geke]

I think it’s wise to leave it at Tiger, especially if you’re more
familiar with that and will do tech support.

If you give him an administrator account, then the best thing you can
do is to get an external HD with Firewire and set up a complete
(incremental) backup schedule with Carbon Copy Cloner. Or maybe two:
one daily and one weekly, to different partitions.

You’re doing the right thing in giving him a Mac. Macs are more
orderly, which makes him think/work more orderly -- a little bit,
anyway.

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IDE / SATA Converter

[nick telis]

Has anyone on the list installed one of these or similar adapters in a  
G4 MDD 1.42 or any G4 MDD?


IOMAX Bi-Directional IDE / SATA Converter (Connect IDE Drive to SATA  
Motherboard or SATA Drive to IDE Motherboard)


Nick


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