OnyX kills HTML mail... mostly

[Sean Carroll]

Well, doesn't "kill," really, but strips it and forces it to adhere  
to your dress code... mostly.


Since I didn't notice any mention of this in the Rich Text thread  
(maybe I missed it), I'll mention that OnyX (Parameters>Misc) allows  
me to force most of the HTML email I receive to plain text and the  
font/size I've chosen for composing in Mail. Too funny to encounter  
this after I'd concluded (embarrassed) that I'd been wrong and  
possibly delusional to think such a thing possible.


Sean Carroll
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Re: A note on Monolingual 1.3.9 and Tiger

[Sean Carroll]

Ahm not much of a fan of Monolingual.  From the tech support POV  
it's a PITA.


I can see that (now), but, aside from the disasters I read about,  
mostly due to non-adherence to RTFM, everything I saw was  
"Monolingual is great."


If your HD is so full that a 1.x GB savings is so important, then  
you really should just buy a new drive.


Nah, HD's not even close to full. Just a clearing out of the  
seemingly expendable. The allure of the "lean and mean" system. For  
years and years I never went in for any Spring Cleaning-type stuff.  
Thought I'd try it. I prepared myself with a complete backup.



Taking a hack saw to your engine is never a good plan.


No. Didn't know it was a hacksaw, though. Guess I'll skip it on Leopard.

Or you could have just gone into /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ and  
moved the damaged Flip4Mac plugin files outta there.


Heh. Well, *you* could have. Me, I didn't know exactly which of the  
file(s) were damaged or where to find them, or indeed that moving  
them out would amount to fixing.


As you update products, the storage savings from mono will be  
obliterated - unless you rerun it again.


Updaters that use patching apps will now all fail.  You'll have to  
do the big downloads and clean installations to update those products.


At some point in the future, when you migrate to an x86 Mac, you'll  
need to remember to NOT migrate any of the munged products and  
such. All that will have to be reinstalled anew.


Well, the good news is that there won't be much if any updating. It's  
Tiger, end of the line, and with no third-party apps that I have any  
need to update. Also, nobody here (on Tiger) will be migrating to an  
x86 Mac. That will be a completely fresh start, a whole other world.


And now that you've munged your system, remember to *archive* your  
backup/clone.  Don't update it!  That will just propagate what  
you've damaged into the backup!   Start a new backup instead.  That  
way, *when* something goes wrong, you'll have the original known- 
complete backup from which to restore things.


The unmunged system is alive and well as a bootable clone as we  
speak. If things go crazy-bad with the "munged" system, I've lost  
nothing but a couple hours.


I appreciate the opinion and the advice. Good caution for others  
considering Monolingual, too. Thanks.


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Re: A note on Monolingual 1.3.9 and Tiger

[Dan]

At 10:55 PM -0500 3/26/2011, Sean Carroll wrote:

After Monolingual had done its thing


Ahm not much of a fan of Monolingual.  From the tech support POV it's a PITA.

If your HD is so full that a 1.x GB savings is so important, then you 
really should just buy a new drive.


Taking a hack saw to your engine is never a good plan.

and I'd rebooted, I opened Safari and got a dialog box about a 
Flip4Mac file having been damaged and the need to reinstall 
Flip4Mac. OK, fine. Except that I needed Safari to go get it, and 
Flip4Mac was killing Safari after the dialog box. Tried reinstalling 
Flip4Mac from the old .mpkg, no dice, nothing there to install. 
Hmmm. What do I do now, wait another 100 minutes to clone back the 
backup? Fortunately, Flip4Mac's uninstaller still worked. With 
Flip4Mac gone, Safari worked again, and I was able to download 
Flip4Mac and right the Monolingual wrong.


Or you could have just gone into /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ and 
moved the damaged Flip4Mac plugin files outta there.


I mention this both as a note on Monolingual and as a question about 
what other little oddities I might expect as a result of messing 
with the architectures in applications (I had the ARM and all G5 and 
64-bit and Intel ones removed). I hope I avoided the major disasters 
that people who just kind of dived into running Monolingual have 
reported.


As you update products, the storage savings from mono will be 
obliterated - unless you rerun it again.


Updaters that use patching apps will now all fail.  You'll have to do 
the big downloads and clean installations to update those products.


At some point in the future, when you migrate to an x86 Mac, you'll 
need to remember to NOT migrate any of the munged products and such. 
All that will have to be reinstalled anew.


And now that you've munged your system, remember to *archive* your 
backup/clone.  Don't update it!  That will just propagate what you've 
damaged into the backup!   Start a new backup instead.  That way, 
*when* something goes wrong, you'll have the original known-complete 
backup from which to restore things


- Dan.
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Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[Jonas Ulrich]

You'll have to use Leopard Assist. Max out the ram for sure, and it should
run fine. Tiger would be faster though...

-Jonas

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Re: Pics on Tiger?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 4:45 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> How can i take pictures with my iSight on G4 PowerBook 1.25 ?

Doesn't Image Capture work? I thought it did with the iSight?

for things that don't work with Image capture I use the Proscope software 
, which despite it's name works 
with any connected camera.

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A note on Monolingual 1.3.9 and Tiger

[Sean Carroll]

Prior to trying out Monolingual, I found and studied the following  
helpful article:


http://www.jklstudios.com/misc/monolingual.html

Based on cautions about Adobe apps, I decided not to remove language  
files from any apps (unchecking the Languages box - actually both  
boxes - on Applications in Monolingual Preferences). At the last  
minute I decided I would remove unneeded architectures from apps  
(rechecking the Architectures box on Applications in the prefs).


After Monolingual had done its thing and I'd rebooted, I opened  
Safari and got a dialog box about a Flip4Mac file having been damaged  
and the need to reinstall Flip4Mac. OK, fine. Except that I needed  
Safari to go get it, and Flip4Mac was killing Safari after the dialog  
box. Tried reinstalling Flip4Mac from the old .mpkg, no dice, nothing  
there to install. Hmmm. What do I do now, wait another 100 minutes to  
clone back the backup? Fortunately, Flip4Mac's uninstaller still  
worked. With Flip4Mac gone, Safari worked again, and I was able to  
download Flip4Mac and right the Monolingual wrong.


I mention this both as a note on Monolingual and as a question about  
what other little oddities I might expect as a result of messing with  
the architectures in applications (I had the ARM and all G5 and 64- 
bit and Intel ones removed). I hope I avoided the major disasters  
that people who just kind of dived into running Monolingual have  
reported.


Took about 50 minutes here. Monolingual reported removing 790 MB, but  
the system came back showing 1.12 GB of additional space on the  
partition. Either way, not bad.


Sean Carroll
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Re: Disabling Top Sites

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Sean Carroll wrote:

NOTE: Cover Flow does not appear on older computers with graphics  
cards that don’t support Cover Flow


Cover Flow requires Core Image support in the graphics card.

Aha! It was only recently that I - several times over, as it were -  
installed a video card of more recent vintage. Maybe this also  
accounts for how I could have used Tiger 10.4.11 since there was one  
and been ignorant of Top Sites until it popped up "accidentally" a  
month or so ago. And then - stock video card back in - it never came  
back.


You can probably restore Top Sites and Cover Flow if you either Safe  
Boot using the Shift key at startup so that the cache files are  
trashed and rebuilt; or by resetting Safari using the Reset Safari...  
command under the Safari menu.


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Re: Disabling Top Sites

[Sean Carroll]

For the most part, Cover Flow - or at least its ubiquitous use, in  
things like Finder, is a "named" Leopard feature, yes.  But the  
framework that drives it is available in Tiger.  Not sure it was  
delivered as part of the .11 update or if it's bundled as one the  
many frameworks that comes with Safari 4.x - probably the latter.


Thanks, Dan.

So, I looked around for an obvious sign of Cover Flow in Safari 4.1.3  
(4533.19.4), not there. Clicked on the "?" and searched "Cover Flow."  
Well well well. And from the Help Viewer:


NOTE: Cover Flow does not appear on older computers with graphics  
cards that don’t support Cover Flow


Aha! It was only recently that I - several times over, as it were -  
installed a video card of more recent vintage. Maybe this also  
accounts for how I could have used Tiger 10.4.11 since there was one  
and been ignorant of Top Sites until it popped up "accidentally" a  
month or so ago. And then - stock video card back in - it never came  
back. When this thread began, I was prepared to chime in with how my  
Safari/Tiger, the same as Yersinia's, didn't bother me with Top Sites  
at all and how strange that was. I tested again first, and Top Sites  
was back, appearing no matter how I opened a new tab (one theory shot  
down) and all over Safari's preferences! What?? All because of the  
new Radeon, as it turns out. Or?


It was easy for me to get rid of Top Sites, however. Worked fine,  
just had no immediate use for it. Maybe I'll think of one.


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Pics on Tiger?

[John Carmonne]

How can i take pictures with my iSight on G4 PowerBook 1.25 ?


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[glen]

- Original Message 
> From: iJohn 

> I  was wondering if anything other than performance might go wrong if I
> moved  her eMac to Leopard? Technically it doesn't meet the minimum
> requirement of  867MHz, but it's not very far off. So if the only
> concern is how well it  might perform it seems like it's worth trying
> it to find out.
> 
> I  believe she's still running 10.3.9, Panther. I think she might be
> using  Internet Explorer as her web browser over a dial up connection.
> (I'd love to  move her to something faster than dial-up, but she can't
> really afford  anything much beyond the $10/mo she's paying now for
> NetZero.)
> 
> The  main reason I expect to be messing with this eMac in a rather
> major way some  day is because when I attempted to back up her drive
> last night with CCC, it  was (1) unexpectedly slow and, more seriously,
> (2) there were drive read  errors in the CCC log. So far the files the
> read errors occur on are nothing  important. But I'm thinking the 8
> year old Seagate ST340015A 40GB drive in  this eMac is due to die.
> Probably sooner rather than later.
> 
> Oh, almost  forgot. I'm not sure if it is still using the original PRAM
> (?) battery or  not. If so, that might also be on its last legs. If
> some day ... sure as heck  not going to be THIS month, but if some day
> after I file my taxes I ever go  inside the eMac to swap the hard
> drive, it probably would be prudent to  replace the PRAM at the same
> time. Where do you folks go to buy those? About  how much does a
> replacement battery usually cost?
> 


Why not just upgrade to Tiger and use Safari or Firefox for a browser? It 
should 
be faster on the eMac than Leopard.

Does she have cable for TV? Some cable providers are providing internet access 
for $25 or less and some provide unlimited phone service for a few dollars 
more. 
So, check the combined cost of phone, TV and the $10 dial-up costs. It my be 
close to the current costs??

Check the HD for errors/repair with Disk Utility. If the  replacement is needed 
-- good time to replace the PRAM battery if the voltage is low. --glen

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Re: PC 3200 400mhz RAM in 1ghz DP MDD. Will it work?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Scotty wrote:

> I know all documentation I have found online says to use PC 2700
> 333mhz RAM with an MDD but I know some computers will just downclock
> the RAM if you put faster RAM into the machine.  Is this the case with
> an MDD G4?   I have a lot of PC3200 DDR RAM kicking around and I am
> wondering if it would work in an MDD G4 Power Mac.
> 


Low density sticks (found that out myself) other than that, the max will always 
be 2gb no matter what combo you use.

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Re: LogMeIN question

[Michael Bauchan]

For what it's worth, I have several UPS (Uninterruptible Power  
Supplies) since each computer gets its own.  They are simple to open &  
replace batteries.  Complete Battery franchises have them.  Get them  
off the back of the shelf & ask how to interpret the date marks to buy  
freshest batteries.  I keep a 100 watt incandescent bulb in a clip on  
flood light fixture to plug into the UPS.  If I can't pull the AC plug  
and keep the light brightly lit, the battery gets replaced.  I usually  
keep a spare battery for that purpose of each size.  The best are  
about 3 inches wide, four inches high and six inches long  
(approximately).  When power goes out, shut down the system.   
Batteries are made to allow safe shut down, not keep a computer  
running several hours.  If you leave the computer turned on over  
night, close everything so you don't lose data if power goes out.   
Whenever a UPS is intermittently beeping and is plugged in with power  
on nearby items, suspect the battery.  Don't ever use a UPS on a  
printer, which draws too much power and is not critical like data.


Mike Bauchan
On Mar 26, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



On Mar 26, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:


This may be related to the LogMeIn --- or not.  I have one of
those large rectangular UPS back ups that the iMac is plugged into.
Also in the past few days, the alarm has gone off several times. I  
am

not sure exactly what that alarm means.



The alarm means that the UPS has switched to battery power, or that  
the battery is failing. if this isn't accompanied by a general  
power failure, it's usually the battery alarm. Check the UPS manual.


You can also get an alarm on low mains voltage.  Best answer is to  
RTFM.


Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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PC 3200 400mhz RAM in 1ghz DP MDD. Will it work?

[Scotty]

I know all documentation I have found online says to use PC 2700
333mhz RAM with an MDD but I know some computers will just downclock
the RAM if you put faster RAM into the machine.  Is this the case with
an MDD G4?   I have a lot of PC3200 DDR RAM kicking around and I am
wondering if it would work in an MDD G4 Power Mac.

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Re: LogMeIN question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

> 
> It's a major hassle because resetting the alarm will kill the Mac, which 
> makes zero sense to me since the whole idea of UPS is "uninterrupted power" 
> so you'd think that you should be able to reset the alarm without 
> interrupting the power, but that's not how it works, so I must then Shutdown 
> and reboot.


There should be a 'silence alarm' button on the thing. What brand do you have, 
I wish to avoid it!

I'm not at it right now, but I think I can silence the alarm on my APC UPS at 
work via the OS...I know I can silence the big ones in the rack remotely.

There are gadgets, like the Kill-a-watt that will let you monitor the line 
voltage as well.

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Re: Disabling Top Sites

[Yersinia]

On 3/26/11 3:28 PM, Dan wrote:

At 2:08 PM -0500 3/26/2011, Sean Carroll wrote:
um, didn't Cover Flow debut in Leopard, and isn't Yersinia running 
Tiger on the Mac in question?


Yeah, running Tiger on all my Macs (oh yeah, except for the G3/450 B&W 
and my Ancient Powerbooks 190, 5300 and Lombard, to which this doesn't 
apply). G4 Quicksilver and G3/800 iBook both run 10.4.11 and the G4 Mini 
runs 10.4.2 (but I almost never surf the web on the Mini anyway; it's my 
Sims computer). Obviously it's the QS and iBook this is really about.


For the most part, Cover Flow - or at least its ubiquitous use, in 
things like Finder, is a "named" Leopard feature, yes.  But the 
framework that drives it is available in Tiger.  Not sure it was 
delivered as part of the .11 update or if it's bundled as one the many 
frameworks that comes with Safari 4.x - probably the latter.


heh.  The cover flow presentation in the bookmarks window, and the Top 
Sites, does work quite well actually.  Very smooth etc.  The problem 
is that it's continuously updating the previews, chewing up your cpu 
and network bandwidth.  Make general surfing slow!


- Dan.


My main reason for wanting to disable the Top Sites function is because 
I don't want my actual top sites (as in the sites I go to regularly) to 
be trackable or obvious. I always surf on Private, and daily -- 
sometimes several times daily --  deleting my cookies and resetting 
Safari to get rid of all that crap. I never used or even realized about 
the Safari "feature" Top Sites until a few days ago, actually, and tried 
to get rid of it on my own before asking about it here.  Oh well.   :-{


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Re: LogMeIN question

[Clark Martin]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

> On Mar 26, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>>> You can also get an alarm on low mains voltage.  Best answer is to RTFM.
>> 
>> Low mains usually dims the lights, too, at least when it's enough to trip 
>> the UPS alarm.
> 
> I seem to get this fairly often, and the lights only dim perhaps one of three 
> times. Another third of the time I hear a major appliance kick on just before 
> the alarm, this can be a washing machine, or a refrigerator compressor, or an 
> air conditioner. The final third of the time there is no outward sign, the 
> alarm just goes off on it's own.

Most of the time I got a low voltage alarm there were no other visible signs.  
It can happen if the line voltage is just low and otherwise minor dips in cause 
the alarm but won't be noticeable in the lights.  

> 
> It's a major hassle because resetting the alarm will kill the Mac, which 
> makes zero sense to me since the whole idea of UPS is "uninterrupted power" 
> so you'd think that you should be able to reset the alarm without 
> interrupting the power, but that's not how it works, so I must then Shutdown 
> and reboot.
> 
> I've got two of these units, and both test out good for the batteries, so I'm 
> assuming I've got some sort of voltage issue with my mains. My house is 
> fairly new, and I've never had problems with electricity for any other uses 
> other than these UPS alarms going off about once a week or so.


You might check to see if the trip point is selectable, some UPSes allow this.  
Personally I'd be leery of a UPS that cut power when resetting the alarm, that 
is a bad design.



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Re: LogMeIN question

[Paul Stamsen]

Previously, at 3:06 PM -0500 3/26/11,  as Kris Tilford  so eloquently wrote:
>I seem to get this fairly often, and the lights only dim perhaps one
>of three times. Another third of the time I hear a major appliance
>kick on just before the alarm, this can be a washing machine, or a
>refrigerator compressor, or an air conditioner. The final third of the
>time there is no outward sign, the alarm just goes off on it's own.
>
>It's a major hassle because resetting the alarm will kill the Mac,
>which makes zero sense to me since the whole idea of UPS is
>"uninterrupted power" so you'd think that you should be able to reset
>the alarm without interrupting the power, but that's not how it works,
>so I must then Shutdown and reboot.
>
>I've got two of these units, and both test out good for the batteries,
>so I'm assuming I've got some sort of voltage issue with my mains. My
>house is fairly new, and I've never had problems with electricity for
>any other uses other than these UPS alarms going off about once a week
>or so.

IINM, dimming lights are a sign of an "underwired" house. I'd contact an 
electrician
or your power company (they might not charge you, even!)

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Re: LogMeIN question

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

You can also get an alarm on low mains voltage.  Best answer is to  
RTFM.


Low mains usually dims the lights, too, at least when it's enough to  
trip the UPS alarm.


I seem to get this fairly often, and the lights only dim perhaps one  
of three times. Another third of the time I hear a major appliance  
kick on just before the alarm, this can be a washing machine, or a  
refrigerator compressor, or an air conditioner. The final third of the  
time there is no outward sign, the alarm just goes off on it's own.


It's a major hassle because resetting the alarm will kill the Mac,  
which makes zero sense to me since the whole idea of UPS is  
"uninterrupted power" so you'd think that you should be able to reset  
the alarm without interrupting the power, but that's not how it works,  
so I must then Shutdown and reboot.


I've got two of these units, and both test out good for the batteries,  
so I'm assuming I've got some sort of voltage issue with my mains. My  
house is fairly new, and I've never had problems with electricity for  
any other uses other than these UPS alarms going off about once a week  
or so.


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Re: How to install OS9 drivers after the fact?

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

what if I forgot to install os9 drivers when I erased the hard  
drive the last time? Is there a way to install the os9 drivers  
without re-erasing the drive? Jeff




No you have to do it again. Save the OS9 system folder and  
application folder on a spare drive then drag back when the HDD has  
been initialized.


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Re: Option key boot?

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 23, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Mar 23, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:



Q: for some reason when I option key boot, the 100mhz bus hard  
drive doesn't appear? (yes, it has 10.4.11 on it) but it will  
appear in the system preferences/ startup disk as well as disk  
utility? why not the option boot screen? could I have a bad 100mhz  
bus?




Does it appear when on the 66 and 33 Bus?


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Re: Disabling Top Sites

[Dan]

At 2:08 PM -0500 3/26/2011, Sean Carroll wrote:
um, didn't Cover Flow debut in Leopard, and isn't Yersinia running 
Tiger on the Mac in question?


For the most part, Cover Flow - or at least its ubiquitous use, in 
things like Finder, is a "named" Leopard feature, yes.  But the 
framework that drives it is available in Tiger.  Not sure it was 
delivered as part of the .11 update or if it's bundled as one the 
many frameworks that comes with Safari 4.x - probably the latter.


heh.  The cover flow presentation in the bookmarks window, and the 
Top Sites, does work quite well actually.  Very smooth etc.  The 
problem is that it's continuously updating the previews, chewing up 
your cpu and network bandwidth.  Make general surfing slow!


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Re: Disabling Top Sites

[Sean Carroll]

I hope I'm not being irrelevant and stupid here again, but... um,  
didn't Cover Flow debut in Leopard, and isn't Yersinia running Tiger  
on the Mac in question?


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Re: LogMeIN question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

The alarm means that the UPS has switched to battery power, or that  
the battery is failing. if this isn't accompanied by a general  
power failure, it's usually the battery alarm. Check the UPS manual.


You can also get an alarm on low mains voltage.  Best answer is to  
RTFM.


Low mains usually dims the lights, too, at least when it's enough to  
trip the UPS alarm.


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Re: LogMeIN question

[Clark Martin]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:
> 
>> This may be related to the LogMeIn --- or not.  I have one of
>> those large rectangular UPS back ups that the iMac is plugged into.
>> Also in the past few days, the alarm has gone off several times. I am
>> not sure exactly what that alarm means.
> 
> 
> The alarm means that the UPS has switched to battery power, or that the 
> battery is failing. if this isn't accompanied by a general power failure, 
> it's usually the battery alarm. Check the UPS manual.

You can also get an alarm on low mains voltage.  Best answer is to RTFM.

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Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[iJohn]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Joe Duran  wrote:
> I bought the batteries for $3.99 each at OWC, plus shipping.
> You can find them slightly cheaper but I wanted
> to make sure I got good fresh batteries.

While I always prefer cheaper, in this case I agree it's ridiculous to
quibble. Especially for an item you want to just work so you can
forget about it. ;-)

In my case it would be $6 + change. Fine.

Thanks for the pointer. I can't for the life of me figure out why I
didn't just look on OWC's site and not bother the list about this.

I think I'll try Leopard on an external drive just to see how it goes.
Thank &deity. for Firewire external enclosures! If the only choices I
had were USB, then IMO I'd have no choices.

-irrational john

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Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[Amanda Ward]

Hi Joe...

On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Joe Duran wrote:

> 
> On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:38 AM, iJohn wrote:l
>> 
>> I was wondering if anything other than performance might go wrong if I
>> moved her eMac to Leopard? Technically it doesn't meet the minimum
>> requirement of 867MHz, but it's not very far off. So if the only
>> concern is how well it might perform it seems like it's worth trying
>> it to find out.
>> 
> I'm not sure Leopard will run on the 800mhz.  The minimum is stated at 867mhz 
> and I think the install disc will not proceed if it detects a slower 
> processor.  Tiger would be a good choice and will perform faster (at least 
> according to my subjective experiences with both on an eMac).  The main 
> reason I went to Leopard was to get iTunes 10, so I could continue to upgrade 
> and sync my iPhone OS.

You can fake the installer with an Open Firmware tweak to indicate a faster 
processor speed.
 I'm running Leopard on a DA/733 and it's okay, but it's like... my number 3 
machine after the Intel iMac and Sawtooth w/1.6 GHz upgrade.

Amanda

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Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[Joe Duran]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:38 AM, iJohn wrote:l


I was wondering if anything other than performance might go wrong if I
moved her eMac to Leopard? Technically it doesn't meet the minimum
requirement of 867MHz, but it's not very far off. So if the only
concern is how well it might perform it seems like it's worth trying
it to find out.

I'm not sure Leopard will run on the 800mhz.  The minimum is stated at  
867mhz and I think the install disc will not proceed if it detects a  
slower processor.  Tiger would be a good choice and will perform  
faster (at least according to my subjective experiences with both on  
an eMac).  The main reason I went to Leopard was to get iTunes 10, so  
I could continue to upgrade and sync my iPhone OS.


Oh, almost forgot. I'm not sure if it is still using the original PRAM
(?) battery or not. If so, that might also be on its last legs. If
some day ... sure as heck not going to be THIS month, but if some day
after I file my taxes I ever go inside the eMac to swap the hard
drive, it probably would be prudent to replace the PRAM at the same
time. Where do you folks go to buy those? About how much does a
replacement battery usually cost?


I just replaced the pram batteries in both of my eMacs.  They were  
both dead (I discovered this after a power outage).  I bought the  
batteries for $3.99 each at OWC, plus shipping.  You can find them  
slightly cheaper but I wanted to make sure I got good fresh  
batteries.  I have no stake in OWC but have had good experience with  
them in the past.  The batteries arrived in a couple of days.


joe

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Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[iJohn]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Bruce Johnson
 wrote:
>
> I know many RBOCS (Qwest is, or used to be one of them, and ATT has one too)
> offer an un-advertised cheap DSL rate, often on the order of $13-$20 a month, 
> but
> you have to nag them for it. It's also slow compared to regular DSL, at 768k, 
> but
> that's way faster than dial-up.
>

Thanks, Bruce. But I don't believe Verizon offers DSL in my area of
upstate New York. When I run my phone number past the verizon website
it always tells me no can do.

The only non-dialup alternative I know of is either Time Warner
RoadRunner or Earthlink. (I believe Earthlink uses Time Warner's
cables.) Both of them offer a "cheap" 768 x 128 Kbps plan but it's
$30/mo. My friend cannot afford the extra $240 a year. Oh, well.

-irrational john

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Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:38 AM, iJohn wrote:

> I find myself doing something I never expected to do, asking questions
> about a G4 eMac. I have a friend who has an 8 year (or so) old eMac
> (ATI). While I haven't actually moved the unit so I could read the
> sticker (it's sorta bulky), I think it is an M9150LL/A with an 800MHz
> G4.
> www.everymac.com/systems/apple/emac/stats/emac_800_ati.html
> 
> I was wondering if anything other than performance might go wrong if I
> moved her eMac to Leopard? Technically it doesn't meet the minimum
> requirement of 867MHz, but it's not very far off. So if the only
> concern is how well it might perform it seems like it's worth trying
> it to find out.
> 

It should actually run ok, if it's got sufficient ram. I'd max it out if 
possible, and put in  a 7200 rpm drive to replace that old 40gb one, as it 
sounds like it needs it asap.

> I believe she's still running 10.3.9, Panther. I think she might be
> using Internet Explorer as her web browser over a dial up connection.
> (I'd love to move her to something faster than dial-up, but she can't
> really afford anything much beyond the $10/mo she's paying now for
> NetZero.)
> 

I know many RBOCS (Qwest is, or used to be one of them, and ATT has one too) 
offer an un-advertised cheap DSL rate, often on the order of $13-$20 a month, 
but you have to nag them for it. It's also slow compared to regular DSL, at 
768k, but that's way faster than dial-up.

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Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)

[iJohn]

I find myself doing something I never expected to do, asking questions
about a G4 eMac. I have a friend who has an 8 year (or so) old eMac
(ATI). While I haven't actually moved the unit so I could read the
sticker (it's sorta bulky), I think it is an M9150LL/A with an 800MHz
G4.
www.everymac.com/systems/apple/emac/stats/emac_800_ati.html

I was wondering if anything other than performance might go wrong if I
moved her eMac to Leopard? Technically it doesn't meet the minimum
requirement of 867MHz, but it's not very far off. So if the only
concern is how well it might perform it seems like it's worth trying
it to find out.

I believe she's still running 10.3.9, Panther. I think she might be
using Internet Explorer as her web browser over a dial up connection.
(I'd love to move her to something faster than dial-up, but she can't
really afford anything much beyond the $10/mo she's paying now for
NetZero.)

The main reason I expect to be messing with this eMac in a rather
major way some day is because when I attempted to back up her drive
last night with CCC, it was (1) unexpectedly slow and, more seriously,
(2) there were drive read errors in the CCC log. So far the files the
read errors occur on are nothing important. But I'm thinking the 8
year old Seagate ST340015A 40GB drive in this eMac is due to die.
Probably sooner rather than later.

Oh, almost forgot. I'm not sure if it is still using the original PRAM
(?) battery or not. If so, that might also be on its last legs. If
some day ... sure as heck not going to be THIS month, but if some day
after I file my taxes I ever go inside the eMac to swap the hard
drive, it probably would be prudent to replace the PRAM at the same
time. Where do you folks go to buy those? About how much does a
replacement battery usually cost?

Dang! I started this note intending to ask only one question, maybe
two at the most. Oh, well.

-irrational john

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Re: LogMeIN question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

> This may be related to the LogMeIn --- or not.  I have one of
> those large rectangular UPS back ups that the iMac is plugged into.
> Also in the past few days, the alarm has gone off several times. I am
> not sure exactly what that alarm means.


The alarm means that the UPS has switched to battery power, or that the battery 
is failing. if this isn't accompanied by a general power failure, it's usually 
the battery alarm. Check the UPS manual.

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