Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Well, I guess there's always the cheating way: get a cheap working Mac from a non-techy and sell it for more than you bought it for. Looking at some completed listings on eBay shows that this could actually work, if I market it right (hey, just like Apple ^_^). On Jun 16, 9:20 pm, iJohn wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Austin Leeds > > wrote: > > I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my > > college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable > > computers. > > Having looked about on eBay a month or three ago when a friend's eMac > was showing signs of approaching death, I would speculate that one of > the big problems with what you are proposing is something which, in > another context, I think you would refer to as a "plus" for Macs. But > in this context it would be a potential negative, for you at least. > > For whatever reason, Macs seem to hold value a lot longer than non-Mac gear. > > I would think that would make it hard to do what you are proposing. > Unless you can find dead gear for cheap and breath life back into it. > But even that approach is not as easy as you might expect. When > bidding on "as-is" Mac's I found that pretty much anything with a > functioning LCD screen would be driven up in price by the folks who > break them up and part them out. I think they can get a very good > price for a replacement LCD screen. Then the rest is gravy, as they > say. > > It's a nice thought but I'm not sure how you would be able to fill the > need of this group looking for "inexpensive but usable" systems. What > could you really offer them? (Ouch! That's sounds harsher than I > really meant it to. But hopefully the meaning I intended is clear. :-) > > -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Austin Leeds wrote: > I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my > college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable > computers. Having looked about on eBay a month or three ago when a friend's eMac was showing signs of approaching death, I would speculate that one of the big problems with what you are proposing is something which, in another context, I think you would refer to as a "plus" for Macs. But in this context it would be a potential negative, for you at least. For whatever reason, Macs seem to hold value a lot longer than non-Mac gear. I would think that would make it hard to do what you are proposing. Unless you can find dead gear for cheap and breath life back into it. But even that approach is not as easy as you might expect. When bidding on "as-is" Mac's I found that pretty much anything with a functioning LCD screen would be driven up in price by the folks who break them up and part them out. I think they can get a very good price for a replacement LCD screen. Then the rest is gravy, as they say. It's a nice thought but I'm not sure how you would be able to fill the need of this group looking for "inexpensive but usable" systems. What could you really offer them? (Ouch! That's sounds harsher than I really meant it to. But hopefully the meaning I intended is clear. :-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
If I had to choose personally, I would take a G4 over ANY Windows system, because in my honest opinion, Windows, any version of it, absolutely SUCKS. It might run great for a few months, but even with virus protection it will be slowing down pretty fast. I have used Windows machines, and Mac OSX machines will consistently run faster and better for longer than the Windows machines. Besides, I just think that Mac OSX is way more intuitive than Windows. This is coming from someone who converted over from Windows. Not all G4's are the same. They range from 350MHZ - Dual 1.42GHZ, and even Dual 1.8GHZ with a Sonnet upgrade. Saying that a G4 "will not work with skype or youtube" is a generalization. There are some that won't, but the higher end G4's, will do pretty much everything. All said and done, I think that the higher end G4's are still great machines, for basic computing, and still perform really well. Just my 2 cents. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Jun 16, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: What Macs would be good fixer-uppers for profit, then? The premise seems relatively unsound to me. The best way to make a profit from a cheaply acquired Mac would be to part it out for individual components. The idea that you can "add value" to an old Mac by upgrading it is normally not profitable because of Moore's Law and the price of newer computers in comparison. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Hmm, these are some good points to consider. Personally, I find a lot of indifference where I'm at—if it feels responsive (a little SSD will do that), can surf the web (mostly Facebook), and is cheaper than a new computer, people will buy it. My parents have really enjoyed our iMac G4, for instance. What Macs would be good fixer-uppers for profit, then? On Jun 16, 6:00 pm, Powermac wrote: > Flashplayer 10.3 isn't supported on the G4 (forget the last version > that was). You can't do Netflix either unless you have an Intel mac. > You can play youtube videos as long as they are not HD, even some of > the 480p ones get choppy sometimes. > > Yes you can get virus on a PC, but most issues are just mallware which > can be dealt with using software and a firewall. Each platform has its > good and bad points. > > On Jun 16, 5:17 pm, JoeTaxpayer wrote: > > > > > My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and > > burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and > > it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC > > will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off > > a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as > > well... > > > On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac wrote: > > > > Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what > > > happens). > > > > You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with > > > an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't > > > see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a > > > big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to > > > see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of > > > his special day and grandma cannot play it?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Flashplayer 10.3 isn't supported on the G4 (forget the last version that was). You can't do Netflix either unless you have an Intel mac. You can play youtube videos as long as they are not HD, even some of the 480p ones get choppy sometimes. Yes you can get virus on a PC, but most issues are just mallware which can be dealt with using software and a firewall. Each platform has its good and bad points. On Jun 16, 5:17 pm, JoeTaxpayer wrote: > My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and > burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and > it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC > will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off > a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as > well... > > On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac wrote: > > > > > Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what > > happens). > > > You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with > > an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't > > see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a > > big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to > > see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of > > his special day and grandma cannot play it?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as well... On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac wrote: > Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what > happens). > > You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with > an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't > see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a > big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to > see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of > his special day and grandma cannot play it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what happens). You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of his special day and grandma cannot play it? Older people like to talk face to face or on the phone, email is used only when they cannot do that or files/links need to be sent. Sure some people with more money then time will spend a few bucks to keep their machine operating, they will also junk it and buy a brand new system instead of investing in 10 year old machines once they deem it to slow or unreliable. I have plenty of old machines (68000 68k to G4-1.25ghz PPC macs) that can do all kinds of tasks, but I am not the casual user either more of a collector. The only people who make much of anything selling old hardware are the recycler who get paid to remove the items in the first place and sell off nicer units while they turn the rest into razor blades. Look around and see what kind of computer shops are staying in business. Good luck in selling used machines for a profit, I think you would find that once you take into account your time invested the dollars/hr is quite low. On Jun 16, 2:50 pm, JoeTaxpayer wrote: > This is true. > On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if there's a business in > setting up old people with these systems. The usability beats PCs, and > for email and browsing, these machines still have some life. I know PC > owners paying for techs to come "repair" their systems, replacing one > card or another, and charging more than a G4 would cost. > > On Jun 16, 1:15 pm, Powermac wrote: > > > > > There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. > > Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from > > different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over > > time.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
This is so true, Joe. That's one reason I bought an iPad. It's great for email, browsing, movies/music. The G4 systems are just as usable, and they're stable, Macs don't have to worry about virii (often, and they're all on Intel-based systems anyway), so no repair costs there. And I still have Mac for development. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:50 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: > This is true. > On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if there's a business in > setting up old people with these systems. The usability beats PCs, and > for email and browsing, these machines still have some life. I know PC > owners paying for techs to come "repair" their systems, replacing one > card or another, and charging more than a G4 would cost. > > On Jun 16, 1:15 pm, Powermac wrote: > > There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. > > Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from > > different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over > > time. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Your proctologist called. He said he found your head -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
This is true. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if there's a business in setting up old people with these systems. The usability beats PCs, and for email and browsing, these machines still have some life. I know PC owners paying for techs to come "repair" their systems, replacing one card or another, and charging more than a G4 would cost. On Jun 16, 1:15 pm, Powermac wrote: > There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. > Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from > different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over > time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over time. There are quite a few people in every city in the nation trying to refurb and resell older machines (look at craigslist) and they mostly make some money for doing software repairs (not much if any in hardware). You will be competing with these people for the basics of RAM and HD's which work cross platform. To be honest any G4 system is worse on the internet then any old free P4 Intel system which you can find on freecycle these days. Depending on the OS the P4 would still be supported in software where the G4's are a dead end. On Jun 16, 10:46 am, Albert Carter wrote: > I would caution on this because as has been discussed several times on this > list G3s and G4s have problems with youtube videos. The other thing is that > since they are older often prices are more expensive to repair and upgrade > these. Like on G4 system you can sometimes spend $20 for a 512MB RAM stick > when the current RAM is going for $30 for 4 GB. > > Albert > > > From: Austin Leeds > To: G-Group > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:58 AM > Subject: Selling upgraded Macs > > Hi all, > > I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my > college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable > computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, > so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our > buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords > running around our student center. > > My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set > of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my > brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos > even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive > operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook > clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for > resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other > than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? > > Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my > way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette > guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hello! and question from a relative newbie
Imovie except the latest versions does a nice job. Importing and rendering take a long time on my old G4 MDD dual 887 even with 2gigs of ram and SATA drive. My G5 1.8 with 2 gigs is twice to 3 times as fast at the same tasks. A good AGP video card helps as well. Good luck! I also miss my Amiga 3000. It was able to do many things very well and with minimal memory an OS overhead. On 6/13/11, Miguel Garcia-Gell wrote: > Pro or amateur video Edition? > > On Jun 13, 2011, at 1:30 PM, S T wrote: > >> Hi all :) Thank you for accepting me into the mailing list! I've been an >> Apple devotee ever since Commodore went bankrupt in 1993, both using the >> M68K chips and later the PPC chips. The thing I like about PPC is it's >> still Motorola at heart. And until recntly I worked for Apple. >> >> I juwst recently acquired a PowerMac G4 dual 1.25GHz MDD system with a >> stock ATI Radeon 9000 graphics card, have maxed him out at 2GB and aded a >> 500GB External drive for iTunes. He's proudly running Leopard 10.5.8 and >> iWork '09. With a 20" Apple Cinema Display, I forgot to add. >> >> I am also looking into getting eitehr an iBook or a PowerBook G4 later on. >> I also have a 64GB iPad First Gen, along with (gasp!) Virtial PC 7 with >> WinXP (cant get away from it, really, if you're goig to be interfacing >> with the outside world; I got it fro the future laptop). >> >> My questions are basically how can I get the most out of this system? I >> want to geet back into video production work like I ws doing with my Amiga >> suite of systems, but that had specialized hardware that isn't available >> for teh MAc. Mainly, I don't think NewTek ever put out a Video Toaster >> card for the Mac. it's a 4-bank video switcher on a single card. But >> we'll get to that later. >> >> Any ideas would be most helpful :) >> >> Thanks! >> Stan-- >> Your proctologist called. He said he found your head >> -- >> You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for >> those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power >> Macs. >> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hello! and question from a relative newbie
On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 PM, Tina K. wrote: > On 2011/06/14 19:06, Stephen E. Bodnar so eloquently wrote: >> The 2-SATA PCI card is worth it, it will speed up the system quite a >> bit. At least it did on my old G4! > > In theory does the SATA PCI card give higher bandwidth than the IDE/PATA > connections, or is it still limited by the bus speed? The only communication link between the drives and the rest of the computer is via the PCI bus, so, yes it's still bus limited. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
I would caution on this because as has been discussed several times on this list G3s and G4s have problems with youtube videos. The other thing is that since they are older often prices are more expensive to repair and upgrade these. Like on G4 system you can sometimes spend $20 for a 512MB RAM stick when the current RAM is going for $30 for 4 GB. Albert From: Austin Leeds To: G-Group Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Selling upgraded Macs Hi all, I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords running around our student center. My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Selling upgraded Macs
Hi all, I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords running around our student center. My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
