Re: G5 quad

[Clark Martin]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Tina K. wrote:

> On 2012/01/14 11:17, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:
>> When Apple replaces a motherboard they make the serial # match
> 
> Not always. I purchased a 'refurb' iMac G4 that initially had a matching SN, 
> but it (along with others like it) had a problem with some flashed code that 
> kept the display from waking from sleep. Apple fixed it, but then it had no 
> electronic SN at all - just a decal on the inside of the ODD door.
> 
> I fought tooth and nail with Apple about giving it a serial number that can't 
> be just peeled off but they refused, even saying it was impossible (which I 
> doubt).

Same here, IIRC, in one case the new MB had no serial number and in the second 
case it had a different number.

It may depend, in part, on how the serial number is stored.  

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Re: G5 quad

[Tina K.]

On 2012/01/14 11:17, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

When Apple replaces a motherboard they make the serial # match


Not always. I purchased a 'refurb' iMac G4 that initially had a matching SN, but 
it (along with others like it) had a problem with some flashed code that kept the 
display from waking from sleep. Apple fixed it, but then it had no electronic SN 
at all - just a decal on the inside of the ODD door.


I fought tooth and nail with Apple about giving it a serial number that can't be 
just peeled off but they refused, even saying it was impossible (which I doubt).



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Re: Mail problem

[Barney Guzzo]

Thanks a million. I'll give it a try tonight. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> 
> On Jan 12, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:
> 
>> PM G4 933 OS 10.4.11.  Mail 3.6.  Something new and weird just started.  
>> When I open Mail, I now get two copies of all my Gmail mail.  If I delete 
>> one, the other just disappears and sends me to the oldest mail in the list.  
>> So If I delete the mail to slowly, I end up deleting mail that I want to 
>> save because it "bounces" to the bottom of the Email list (which I have 
>> sorted by date).  I hope I described this properly.  Is it a problem with 
>> iCloud, Gmail (IMAP), or Mail? Any idea's?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Select Rebuild from the mailbox menu. Likely it's a munged local index file 
> for that mail folder. This happens fairly regularly with the old style mail 
> setup in 10.4 ...your mail 'folder' is one giant file of concatenated email 
> messages.
> 
> It's not iCloud, you can test if it's Gmail by logging into the gmail web 
> client, and seeing if the mail duplication occurs there.
> 
> But I'll lay great odds that rebuilding your inbox will fix it. This is a 
> relatively common issue with IMAP accounts.
> 
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Re: ie 5.0

[tina]

Den Lørdag, 14/1 2012, 07:21, Kris Tilford skrev:
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Charles Lenington wrote:
>
>> Anyone still have 5.0 easy to find?
>
> Easiest likely solution:
>
> Safari>Preferences>Advanced Tab
>
> Check box "Show Develop menu in menu bar"
>
> Develop menu>User Agent>IE Explorer x.x
>
> Once you set Safari to IE Explorer it "should" work.
>

you might also want to try icab - icab.de

I'm using it for my online bank which will not accept safari no matter
what I set the identity

icab set to firefox works like a charm...

/tina

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Re: Mail problem

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 12, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:

> PM G4 933 OS 10.4.11.  Mail 3.6.  Something new and weird just started.  When 
> I open Mail, I now get two copies of all my Gmail mail.  If I delete one, the 
> other just disappears and sends me to the oldest mail in the list.  So If I 
> delete the mail to slowly, I end up deleting mail that I want to save because 
> it "bounces" to the bottom of the Email list (which I have sorted by date).  
> I hope I described this properly.  Is it a problem with iCloud, Gmail (IMAP), 
> or Mail? Any idea's?  Thanks in advance.

Select Rebuild from the mailbox menu. Likely it's a munged local index file for 
that mail folder. This happens fairly regularly with the old style mail setup 
in 10.4 ...your mail 'folder' is one giant file of concatenated email messages.

It's not iCloud, you can test if it's Gmail by logging into the gmail web 
client, and seeing if the mail duplication occurs there.

But I'll lay great odds that rebuilding your inbox will fix it. This is a 
relatively common issue with IMAP accounts.

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Re: going to an Intel iMac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

> 
> Now I have a few questions:
> 
> I did not "migrate" my USER folder.   Is this what was meant by allowing 
> Migration Assistant to create a new user?

No. People are SERIOUSLY overthinking this, IMO.

Run Migration Assistant. Select the users your want moved over, you do need to 
move over your user folders, of course.

What we mean by 'Let Migration Assistant create a new user' is:

On the Old Mac there are three accounts Admin, Joe and Barbara.

When setting up the new Mac you created the account Admin. 

Run Migration Assistant, with the new Mac and old Mac connected (fia FW, 
ethernet, or a mounted time machine or CCC volume, however.

When the interface comes up, select:

Applications (if you don't want to manually re-install everything; Migration 
Assistant is smart enough to not overwrite the existing apps.

User Files: Drop the reveal arrow down and select Joe and Barbars, because 
those accounts do not exist on the new mac. Admin does, so don't check the box 
there.

You can also migrate system settings and other files; this will usually take 
care of all the other settings, like networking, etc.


Of course the ideal time to do this is the very first time you start up the new 
mac or new OS, the first thing after the language, it asks if you want to 
migrate your old users. This has worked flawlessly every time I've ever tried 
it, with the sole exception of dealing with Active Directory-bound users with 
local profiles set to be Mobile accounts. I had to go in and fix their local 
Open Directory record on the old mac to include their name, then Migration 
assistant worked.

I expect that this effects approximately...NONE of the people on this list :-)

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Re: G5 quad

[Jack Countryman]

If you can go look at it in person, as opposed to buying blind over the 
net, I'd look very carefully at the liquid cooling system, checking for 
any evidence that coolant has started to leak, or run down inside the 
case.  Best option might be to pull processors and the power supply to 
look closely at those as well as the inside of the case, but doubtful 
they will let you do that prior to a sale.  Check which cooling system 
is in there...Panasonic is probably a plus.  Though I've got a dual 2.7 
with a the Delco/Delphi system that has no problems so far (knock on 
wood).  If possible, get them to start it up and smell around that part 
of the machine...or for that matter smell even if not running, as the 
odor of burning antifreeze is distinct and lingers.


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Re: G5 quad

[JohnV]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:

Any reason why a late 2005 G5 quad would show a different serial  
number on the side label vs the system profile info screen?

I'm looking to buy.


Rough quick guess is a replaced motherboard. Is this a liquid  
cooled unit? With the reported problems it sounds like that  
happens semi often.


When Apple replaces a motherboard they make the serial # match, so  
it would be a used replacement motherboard from another Mac if the  
serial doesn't match the case. As previously said, the liquid- 
cooled leak and fry the motherboard, so seeing a replaced  
motherboard probably isn't that rare.


so then this is likely NOT an APPLE repair...
as to evaluating it as a purchase...
if it works... it works?

jv

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Re: ie 5.0

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Charles Lenington wrote:


Anyone still have 5.0 easy to find?


Easiest likely solution:

Safari>Preferences>Advanced Tab

Check box "Show Develop menu in menu bar"

Develop menu>User Agent>IE Explorer x.x

Once you set Safari to IE Explorer it "should" work.



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Re: G5 quad

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:

Any reason why a late 2005 G5 quad would show a different serial  
number on the side label vs the system profile info screen?

I'm looking to buy.


Rough quick guess is a replaced motherboard. Is this a liquid cooled  
unit? With the reported problems it sounds like that happens semi  
often.


When Apple replaces a motherboard they make the serial # match, so it  
would be a used replacement motherboard from another Mac if the serial  
doesn't match the case. As previously said, the liquid-cooled leak and  
fry the motherboard, so seeing a replaced motherboard probably isn't  
that rare.


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On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:37 PM, seeker wrote:


i have fallen head over heals for mac osx and would like to keep these
machines as such


You'll need to get a Radeon PCI card for the dedicated video PCI slot,  
and then run Tiger 10.4.11 with PCI Extreme 3.1 to enable Quartz  
Extreme. You can do a soft RAID of two striped HDs to quicken up the  
HD access, you can setup the RAID in Disk Utility if you have a  
matched pair of HDs.


If you replace the G3 CPU with a G4 CPU you can run Leopard 10.5.8 if  
you use Leopard Assist or some other method to install Leopard.


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Re: OS9

[Dan]

At 2:34 AM +0100 1/9/2012, Valter Prahlad wrote:

In OSX, memory allocation is dynamic: i.e, the O.S. gives any program the
memory it requires, when it's required (more or less).

In OS9 (and previous), you had to set the memory amount for each program.
To set it up, click on the program's icon, select "Get Info" from File menu;
you'll get a window with the three memory setup.
The bottom one is the memory you reserve for that app.


*Both* Mac OS and Mac OS X use on-demand dynamic memory allocation.

The limit in OS X, because of its unix guts, is controlled on a 
per-system basis.


The limits in the classic OS are controlled on a per app basis, in 
the parameters you see when you do the get-info.  Those parameters 
are simply *limits*.  They tell the memory management system that the 
app may have UP TO that amount.  They do not "require" that the app 
be given that memory.


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At 8:37 PM -0800 1/10/2012, seeker wrote:

what if any would be the ideal version of macOS x to install on g3 b&w


Mac OS X 10.4.11, Tiger.  Works great on SmurfTowers.

Disable Dashboard.  It's a big real memory hog and the Smurf is limited.

Depending on the smurfyspeed, you may wish to disable Spotlight's 
indexing.  It can chew up a lot of CPU time unnecessarily.


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Re: ie 5.0

[Dan]

At 5:55 AM -0600 1/8/2012, Charles Lenington wrote:
The oklahoma employment security commission insists on using only ie 
5.0 to file for unemployment. Of course the link they proved only 
offers 8 or 9. I did find a 5.2 version but it is unstable and 
either hangs up or crashes. Anyone still have 5.0 easy to find?


Try changing the ident in Safari.

Here's 5.2.3.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Internet%20Explorer%205.2.3.dmg

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Re: G5 quad

[JohnV]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:23 AM, JohnV wrote:

Any reason why a late 2005 G5 quad would show a different serial  
number on the side label vs the system profile info screen?

I'm looking to buy.



On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:
Rough quick guess is a replaced motherboard. Is this a liquid  
cooled unit? With the reported problems it sounds like that happens  
semi often.



My understanding (cursory as it is) is that the Panasonic cooling rig  
is fairly dependable...   if that;s what's in there (and as I look at  
the history, these late machines supposedly had that unit)
My thought is, is there a visual benchmark for seeing if the sysem is  
ok?

or a recommended milage for maintenance like hoses and clamps?

jv

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Re: G5 quad

[Len Gerstel]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:23 AM, JohnV wrote:

Any reason why a late 2005 G5 quad would show a different serial  
number on the side label vs the system profile info screen?

I'm looking to buy.


Rough quick guess is a replaced motherboard. Is this a liquid cooled  
unit? With the reported problems it sounds like that happens semi often.


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Re: OS9

[JohnV]

It has been a whiole since I ran classic OS after a few minutes  
remembering-by-sight-touch what's in there... I re-found the memory  
allocation thing... got it going! thanks


JV


On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote:


Il giorno 8-01-2012 22:37, JohnV ha scritto:


seems ok until I try to sitch photos at which time it spous a warning
box claiming I ned to allocate more memory to the app.
SYSTEM PROFILE says QTVR has 16M assigned.
this G5 has 2G so where/how do I fix this?


Ah, the good ole MacOS times! :-D

In OSX, memory allocation is dynamic: i.e, the O.S. gives any  
program the

memory it requires, when it's required (more or less).

In OS9 (and previous), you had to set the memory amount for each  
program.
To set it up, click on the program's icon, select "Get Info" from  
File menu;

you'll get a window with the three memory setup.
The bottom one is the memory you reserve for that app.


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Mail problem

[Baldassare Guzzo]

PM G4 933 OS 10.4.11.  Mail 3.6.  Something new and weird just  
started.  When I open Mail, I now get two copies of all my Gmail  
mail.  If I delete one, the other just disappears and sends me to the  
oldest mail in the list.  So If I delete the mail to slowly, I end up  
deleting mail that I want to save because it "bounces" to the bottom  
of the Email list (which I have sorted by date).  I hope I described  
this properly.  Is it a problem with iCloud, Gmail (IMAP), or Mail?
Any idea's?  Thanks in advance.


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Re: OS 9.2.2 fro G4 MDD

[Charles Lenington]

On 1/10/12 10:00 AM, Oliver Fairhall wrote:
On 10/01/12 02:21, t...@io.com wrote: 

snip---

I currently have an ATI card, but have ordered a used TI 4600. Should 
be OK. I don't know if I have the latest drivers though. Nvidia don't 
seem to host these any more. I found a shop which has a driver pack 
available:

Didn't AMD buy up Nvidia? You might try there.

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Magsafe Power Adapter mod. A1344, need help

[willy]

I have been asked to fix or replace this adapter.
Have any of you worked on one?
If I can't fix, do any of you have one for sale?Thanks
Wm.

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Re: G4 or G5?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > > My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts
> > > and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,
> > > however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. The G5's with the fans
> > > running most of the time suck up a lot of juice.
> >
> > here's a dumb question--how are you measuring power consumption?
> 
> Google "kill a watt" for links to some low cost ($20 - $25) electricity
> usage monitors.

I was surprised by John's figures. I haven't tested my MDD (though it has a
Sonnet 1.8GHz board, so it is not standard), but my quad G5 uses about 170W
at idle (two drives, one optical, 7800GT) in Reduced power mode, and 220W in
Highest at idle. When under load, it can get to 300-350W (such as when it's
compiling TenFourFox).

This is still not a small power draw, but it's not a ridiculous amount.

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Re: G4 or G5?

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:25 AM, faithie999 wrote:

> here's a dumb question--how are you measuring power consumption?
> 
> thanks
> 
> ken
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts
>> and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,
>> however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. The G5's with the fans
>> running most of the time suck up a lot of juice.

This is a plug in unit that will tell you the exact amount of power is used on 
anything you plug into it.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/7657/


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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[seeker]

might again have one of these bad boys lined up for myself, and before
i forgo an install of slackintosh, i would like to ask the g-
men...  what if any would be the ideal version of macOS x to
install on g3 b&w with maxed ram?  i am a huge fan of opensource, but
i have fallen head over heals for mac osx and would like to keep these
machines as such  so any help?

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Re: G4 or G5?

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 10-01-2012 8:36, arichic...@gmail.com ha scritto:

> 1. I have had chances to grab various G5's for between $100 and $150.
I think it's a very good investment.
I'm using a G5 DP 2.7 right now, and it's a very fine machine (much more
responsive than the G4 1.4 GHz I was using before).

A G5 would be an investment it could last you several more years.
A G4, OTOH, could last you less, depending on your needs - a G4 would be
fine for mail, browsing and basic stuff, though.

> 2. I've tried to locate a processor upgrade for this DA.
Did you look on eBay? And on the LEMSwap List?
I think there are some used CPU upgrades around.

> I really can't see paying more than $25 for an upgrade
My 1.4 GHz CPU upgrade in my G4 made it last for 6 years; it was well worth
the price.

> maybe someone could point me to a really
> great, easy to install upgrade card. How hard is it to just swap the
> motherboard out with a latter G4.
I don't think you can easily swap the motherboard... and I don't see the
point. Better go with another Mac, then (you could always put inside your
old drive, so you don't have to move all the apps and data).

A CPU upgrade would be very easy to install. Just be sure it's ok for your
Mac model.

> 4. My s/o has a macbook pro with an Intel Tiger install disk. Could
> this be used to install on a hacintosh, like 10.6? Should I just give
> upgrading the G4 and go hacintosh or Ubuntu on some pc?
If you're quite geeky and you like tinkering, Hackintosh might be a good
cheap way.

Ubuntu/Linux... 
I don't know, after having been used to the Mac, I won't switch. :-)

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Re: OS 9.2.2 fro G4 MDD

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 10-01-2012 17:00, Oliver Fairhall ha scritto:

> I currently have an ATI card, but have ordered a used TI 4600. Should be
> OK. I don't know if I have the latest drivers though. Nvidia don't seem
> to host these any more.

I have been using a GF Ti 4600 on a G4 DA, and it worked just fine (both in
OS9 and OSX 10.4).
I seem to remember the driver in OSX 10.4 were already up to date, while I
got somewhere the latest drivers for OS9. If you'd need them, I could find
them in my archives.

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Re: going to an Intel iMac

[Lawrence David Eden]

I just tried using Migration Assistant:

I am trying to get my Intel iMac to look like my DA G4.

I used my external FW drive that has a recent CCC of my DA's HD.
I allowed Migration Assistant to create a New User Account instead of 
updating an existing account.


Now I have a few questions:

I did not "migrate" my USER folder.   Is this what was meant by 
allowing Migration Assistant to create a new user?


How do I move my iTunes library over to the Intel iMac if I did not 
copy my "user" account?

Did my passwords and authorizations import with the Migration Assistant?

I am really enjoying the learning experience...and am thankful that I 
don't rely on the iMac.  It kind of eliminates the pressure  :-)



Thanks,

Larry

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Re: going to an Intel iMac

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 1/8/12 4:52 PM, Tina K. wrote:

On 2012/01/07 09:54, Stephen E. Bodnar so eloquently wrote:

Very well said. Having done this very same migration numerous times,
there is one
gotcha - let Migration Assistant create the new user on the new
(target) machine
and not update an existing account. Otherwise, weird things happen
with permissions.


Good to know, thank you Stephen. This explains my less than satisfactory
experience with Migration Assistant.


Tina

The way I usually move a user to a new machine, is to install the OS on 
the new machine, make an administrator type user called "admin", install 
all the big apps under the admin account, then use Migration Assistant 
to create and move the old user from the old machine.


I don't copy the Applications over from the old one, I install them new 
because 1) the new OS generally installs them differently and Migration 
Assistant can't always handle this 2) there are generally new versions 
of the apps anyways.


My last update on Intel side was from 10.6 to 10.7. I updated the Adobe 
Suite from CS3 to CS5.5 along the way, and my prefs date all the way 
back to a G5 PowerMac running 10.4. It worked just fine, and Adobe stuff 
is one of the pickiest.


Stephen

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Re: OS9

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 8-01-2012 22:37, JohnV ha scritto:

> seems ok until I try to sitch photos at which time it spous a warning
> box claiming I ned to allocate more memory to the app.
> SYSTEM PROFILE says QTVR has 16M assigned.
> this G5 has 2G so where/how do I fix this?

Ah, the good ole MacOS times! :-D

In OSX, memory allocation is dynamic: i.e, the O.S. gives any program the
memory it requires, when it's required (more or less).

In OS9 (and previous), you had to set the memory amount for each program.
To set it up, click on the program's icon, select "Get Info" from File menu;
you'll get a window with the three memory setup.
The bottom one is the memory you reserve for that app.

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Re: Firefox

[Mel]

Bill,

Thanks.  I'll give it a try.

Mel

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Subject: Re: Firefox
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On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Mel wrote:

> I don't see any "address bar" in TFF.   Where is it?
> 
> -

its the open space, below the tabs,  that has the Gray Star, Triangle, and 
Reload symbols at the end ... the URL address window

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ie 5.0

[Charles Lenington]

The oklahoma employment security commission insists on using only ie 5.0 
to file for unemployment. Of course the link they proved only offers 8 
or 9. I did find a 5.2 version but it is unstable and either hangs up or 
crashes. Anyone still have 5.0 easy to find?

In the mean time...
I'm going to dig out my Mac Addict cds and see if I have a copy there.

2 people need to file asap.

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G5 quad

[JohnV]

Any reason why a late 2005 G5 quad would show a different serial  
number on the side label vs the system profile info screen?

I'm looking to buy.

John V

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