iTuesOnAppleDisk
I have my iTunes library on Appledisk through the Airport Extreme N but iTunes on the MacBook won't see it. even if I assign it as the main itunes library. I'm downloading iTunes 8.2.1 as I write hoping it is a bug. Is there a way to make that library appear as a shared library from such a networked disk? Is there a way to access such a library from a Touch? THAT would be wonderful! Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Airport N + dialup?
I'm thinking about buying an Airport Extreme N to use its ability to mount usb disks. (According to a detailed review, it can mount multilple usb disks through a hub. Has anyone tried this?) Problem is, I need a dial-up modem. Currently I use a disk shaped Airport Extreme g with a built in modem. Will the N Airport access a usb modem through its usb disk port, through a usb hub (so I can use drives too?) Or if I network my old Airport g with the Airport N, will I easily be able to access the dialup modem in the older Airport? We can't wait to get broadband out here Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
ATI 9800 TV Problem
I'm running an ATI 9800 Pro Mac Version in a Quicksilver. Usually I have two LCD monitors on it, but once I used the TV output for a special job. Since then the board thinks there's a TV attached to it and always creates a TV screen which I can see in the Monitors Preferences Arrangement pane. It uses resources an sometimes things get lost in that part of the screen so I want to get rid of it but I can't see how. I have the latest ATI software and have read the docs with care. No luck. There is a checkbox in the ATI prefs that tells the board to always see a TV whether or not it detects one, but it is not checked. Ideas? Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Kodak Printer?
I saw a TV ad that got my attention, though I am usually skeptical of such things. It was a Kodak multifunction printer (copier and fax) for about $100. What grabbed me is the claim that ink for this printer was much cheaper than for others, like a third the price or better. Like 3 times as many pictures for the price. I've used Epson for years and have been using aftermarket inks to make printing affordable. (Some brands are actually ok.) The Kodak brand interests me too. I bought a very cheap Kodak camera for my wife and was pretty impressed with the handing and output. So maybe they know how to make printers too. Any experience with Kodak printers, especially the less expensive models? Reasonable ink prices? Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: D-Link DNS-323 -- any users?
On Jan 28, 3:10 pm, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com wrote: My D-Link DNS-323 NAS Dual drive enclosure arrived today, and I'm busily going over the information I'd already read prior to ordering the unit. However, I thought I'd ask here if anyone already has set up this unit for OS X Leopard and if they have any tips/cautions that I should be aware of before starting? I plan on using it as two separate drives with iTunes server, BitTorrent, storage and possibly playing with the Fun plug-in everyone is raving about on the forums. Steve R Steve, I don't have experience with this box but I did just install a Ximeta Netdisk drive enclosure which is usb and ethernet. I have an older Airport extreme which connects to my MacBook and a G4 tower. The airport and G4 are connected to the airport via ethernet through a switcher. The Netdisk enclosure is PATA, not SATA, T100 not gigabit, has usb2 connectivity as well as ethernet. It only cost me only about $30 so the older drive type and slower connectivity is less of a problem than if I had spent big bucks. (Actually only the switcher and G4 can handle gigabit...the Airport can't, so the MacBook doesn't either.) One big advantage of this little drive is that it works fine with Mac formatted drives as long as there are no PCs looking at it. I think NAS is really interesting so I thought I'd reply to your message with my experience. I'm interested in how yours works out. I have about 50,000 photos on the drive and it is ok for iPhoto on the MacBook through the Airport, just a little slow. I expect to add an iTunes library soon. The T100 system is fast enough to support that. The big problem for me is that the drive appears on either the MacBook or the G4 but not both. The software isn't suppposed to allow read/ write access on any but one computer on the network. All others should be set up as read only, which is a disadvantage in itself. But the other computer won't even display the drive. I have a support question in to Ximeta but haven't heard anything yet. Anyone with experience with this kind of system? Comments? Please feel free to open another thread. Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ximeta Re: D-Link DNS-323 -- any users?
I have a Ximeta 320GB drive that I'm using right now as NAS. Have you downloaded the most recent NAS Utility 1.8.1/Leopard for it? It used to be, when I first got it, that it has to be formatted FAT-32 for NAS and it would only mount on one Mac at a time (and could be mounted on Windows while mounted on the one Mac) but this most recent Utility allows it to be formatted Mac, and mounted on more than one Mac at a time. The read/write on one Mac only still applies. I regularly mount read/write on one Mac and read on the other. I've also had a third iBook mounted read only. Don't forget the order -- computer on, NAS on, NAS Utility on the read/write computer to mount, then the NAS Utility on the read computer to mount. To unmount the drive, it has to be Ejected first and then Unmounted through the NAS Utility on each computer. Support/Downloads/MacOS http://www.ximeta.com/web/ Steve R Yes, I have the latest software. I think what you describe works here but it is very tedious. What I like about the drive is that it just appears on the MacBook when I open it. Simple and easy. So it really works for me and if I need it on the G4 I can just go USB since it lives on the same desk. I just hope they find a way to make it RW for everything on the network. We'll see what they say if/when they respond to my inquiry. Thanks, Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ximeta Re: D-Link DNS-323 -- any users?
Bruce wrote: I just got a VOX NM1 enclosure only, from Geeks.com for $24, another $70 for a 500G drive and I had a NAS system up and running pretty quickly. http://www.voxproducts.com/mn1.php Geeks doesn't seem to have it anymore. It's strictly a SMB file server, but I've been able to connect multiple macs to it simultaneously. Documentation is full of the usual Chinese-to-English through the 'Fish stragenesses, but they give equal weight to both Macs and PC's, wonder of wonders. It doesn't always show up in the network browser, for some reason, not sure where the problem lies, but since I gave it a fixed address on my cable router, I can mount the volume, drag it to start-up items in accounts and it comes right up. This is, however based on less than a week of usage... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs You are a brave man Bruce. I bought that drive after trying the Ximeta hoping it would be a little better. The price was great even if you just used usb and firewire. It promises being able to add another drive to the network via usb and to function as a printer server. Great for $30. But I couldn't get anywhere with the docs. I read somewhere that the setup had to happen on Explorer and no other browser and that was true, but I couldn't get the settings right. Very strange. So I gave it to our I.T guru and we'll see what she can do with it. Maybe she can check with you if she needs help. Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: InternetConnectionViaPC?
On Jan 22, 8:37 pm, Paul Twiddy ptwi...@comporium.net wrote: Why don't you try straight from the modem to your modem. Why not take your own WI FI router from their modem. On Jan 22, 2009, at 9:15 AM, starrf...@valley.net wrote: Their modem is internal. I think the simplest solution, to avoid trying to do anything with a mysterious PC, is to bring our Airport Extreme, which has a built-in modem. Then we'll be wireless in the apartment, another advantage. I shudder to think what Airport Security will think of that flying saucer in our luggage. Thanks for all the good advice. Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: InternetConnectionViaPC?
On Jan 23, 9:19 am, Hunter Fuller hackmies...@gmail.com wrote: starrf...@valley.net wrote: On Jan 22, 8:37 pm, Paul Twiddy ptwi...@comporium.net wrote: Why don't you try straight from the modem to your modem. Why not take your own WI FI router from their modem. On Jan 22, 2009, at 9:15 AM, starrf...@valley.net wrote: Their modem is internal. I think the simplest solution, to avoid trying to do anything with a mysterious PC, is to bring our Airport Extreme, which has a built-in modem. Then we'll be wireless in the apartment, another advantage. Be prepared to do what I said. A lot of service providers don't work on Macs, only on Windows. No need. We've connected there before with our clamshell's built in modem. Our local isp offers dial-in access numbers all over the country so we don't need to use their provider as long as we have direct access to a modem. Very neat. It's just like being at home. Thanks, Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Beige G3 Personality Card question: using a TV as the ONLY monitor?
On Jan 21, 3:39 pm, mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com wrote: Jonas: I'm pretty sure it's a Revision 2 board. Most of the Beige G3s I bought at surplus were Revision 2 (unless this is the one I got as a giveaway from the local newspaper). Seems all the Revision 1 desktops I ever ran across has the round CD eject button. This one has the normal rectangular button. At any rate, I have about 4-5 of the mini-towers sitting in a closet that I could swap the ROM chips out for if it turns out to be a R1. I just hope someone can help me overcome this video-out problem. Surely there are some old-timers who have done this before that know what they're doing! I can't say how many hours I've been working at this without any success (other than manually switching mirroring on after each startup, which as I said before, isn't really a viable solution). Maybe this will help. As you know, the video board in the Beige is on the motherboard, so changing roms won't make any difference at all. Also the video on the later personality card(s?) only worked with the rev 3 boards if I remember correctly. I had a rev 1 board and a rev C rom with the last personality card. I tried like the dickens to get the video to work. No way. This is all poorly documented by Apple and on the web. Anyway, I did some pretty sophisticated work with Final Cut on that old Beige by adding an ATI Radeon 7000 video card. If I remember correctly, this card has an svideo output so it would work for you. Generally settings made on ATI cards tend to stick through reboots until you turn them off. (I have a 96000 ATI card in a Quicksilver that has had the video turned on for months, even though it isn't in use.) The 7000 should have better video resolution than the personality card anyway, a full 640 x 480 30fps. Those cards had half that resolution, if I remember correctly. You should be able to get a Mac Radeon 7000 pci card for a few bucks. Might solve your problem. Hope this helps, Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Picasa?
On Jan 12, 1:07 am, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com wrote: At 3:56 PM -0800 1/11/09, starrf...@valley.net posted: Just when I finally decided to use IPhoto to sort through our 50,000 images (five different libraries since iPhoto gets strange when it refers to over 20,000 or so) Google releases Picasa for Mac. It is pretty cool for a lot of reasons. And it isn't bothered by the large number of images. But the current Beta version seems a little buggy to me and I wonder if anyone else has seen this. [...] Any ideas? ___ Current security issues regarding social networking sites and online storgage mean that any family pictures that you put out on the net are rather easily accessed by anyone with a will to do so. You may want to reconsider any online storage options in light of this. What would your photos reveal about your family and lifestyle that you may not want hackers learning? A web security expert recently interviewed by CPU magazine claimed that anything, for example, linked to in Facebook or Myspace is unguarded and open to anyone who knows the method and has a reason to look. He demonstrated this at the Black Hat Conference. Picasa and other such methods are often linked to and or vulnerable to similar attacks. YMMV, pay your money and take your chance. What do you have to lose? I agree about these risks, but Picasa does not need to work on line. In fact, in the diallup world we still live in here, working on line would be impossibly slow. Even in a broadband situation, I don't think Picasa uploads anything without being asked to. I use Little Snitch to avoid unwanted uploads, and it would let me know. One advantage of Picasa is that it leaves your photo files in place and just links to them. It can automatically scan selected directories for new entries, which is sweet. Old versions of iPhoto had to copy all your files into its libraries, which either doubled disk storage space or required you to delete the originals. That's why I never liked it. Now you can select an option (in the Advanced tab of Preferences) that leaves files in place. (But you still have to ask it to import new pix.) Since both programs simply link to photos, there is no problem using both Picasa and iPhoto on the same batch of pictures. Which is what I am doing until Picasa starts to work properly. Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Picasa?
Just when I finally decided to use IPhoto to sort through our 50,000 images (five different libraries since iPhoto gets strange when it refers to over 20,000 or so) Google releases Picasa for Mac. It is pretty cool for a lot of reasons. And it isn't bothered by the large number of images. But the current Beta version seems a little buggy to me and I wonder if anyone else has seen this. If I use a filter or some other action, most of the image directories in the left column disappear and can't be found unless I quit and restart the program. Has anyone else seen this? Has anyone found a solution if so? (The computer is a MacBook running 10.5.6.) One thing I miss that I hope they will add is a single keystroke to send an image to Photoshop or any selected editor. Currently a three key combination sends it to Preview, which is my system's default viewer. I don't want to change the system default. I'm told that on the PC a control click lets you choose where to open the image. You have to choose every time so even that isn't as simple as I'd wish for. Any ideas? Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Picasa Whoops!
Please forgive the extra word in the subject of my previous post. It sounds almost rude and was not supposed to be there. I should have edited the subject as well as the content before hitting send. Whoops! Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
AirportExtremeConfusion
Help! I bought a very nice used Airport Extreme hoping to attach a hard drive to it. I needed dialup so it has a modem built in. Turns out, the flying saucer shaped Extreme does very well with my printer but does not have the n standard to network a hard drive. So what to do? I want both dialup and a networked hard drive (the printer is gravy.) Should I keep the flying saucer and buy one of the boxy newest Airports (no dialup as far as I can tell) and use them BOTH in the network? Is there another option or two? Another problem. My G4 tower does poorly with Airport, though the airport card tests good in another computer. But I can run an ethernet line to the airport. If I dialup with the laptop, the G4 sees the internet over ethernet, no problem. But I can't figure a way to get the G4 to access the modem and go on and off line. The Internet Connect app doesn't do it, though I've messed about a bit and it seems like there's a way to help it find the modem on the airport base station through ethernet. I'm not at that computer now, but I dived pretty deeply using Help and submenus. There are a bunch of acronyms for different protocols that are mud to me. Can anyone guide me through this. The goal is to make the desktop computer part of the airport network and be able to initiate a dialup. I also guess it would be a good idea to get a high speed ethernet pci card for my G4 DA. Would this improve it's performance on the airport network? Or does the 133mhz bus on that computer limit ethernet speed anyway? A lot of questions... Thanks, Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iMac or MacBook?
Thanks for all the good thoughts about upgrading from G4 to either G5 or Intel iMac. It was very helpful. Another option I am toying with is replacing my G4 tower with a Macbook laptop, We already have one as a family computer and it is great. I also have one at work. I could integrate one into my desktop system like an iMac, use the pair of 19 monitors I already have (the Matrox DualHead2Go works very well with a MacBook. I use one at work in a theatrical set up with a pair of projectors.) It looks as though MacBooks of similar speed are about the same price as iMacs, though if you look at a 24 iMac you can do a lot better with a laptop and external monitors. And I really like the trackpad on MacBooks, useful in addition to my trackball and other input devices. So that's the upside. What am I overlooking as the downside to using a laptop as the center of a destop system? If I push it hard for a long time, will it overheat? Do internals last as long? What am I missing? Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMac or MacBook?
On Dec 10, 1:00 pm, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 10:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that's the upside. What am I overlooking as the downside to using a laptop as the center of a destop system? Typically laptops have slower hard drives, and less capable video than desktop systems Looking at Apple's specs the Macbook has a 5400 RPM 2.5 160gb drive, and an nVidia geForce 9400 chipset with 256 megs shared RAM, and supports up to 2 gigs total ram. The iMac 20 has a 7200 RPM 3.5 250G drive, an ATI Radeon video chipset with 128mb dedicated RAM (which is faster), and supports up to 4 gigs RAM. A 5400 rpm 2.5 drive isn't much slower than a faster 3.5 drive, but the capacity difference is pretty sizeable. The iMac also has firewire, both 400 and 800, and more USB ports than the MacBook. On the downside it's not nearly as portable. Portability is the key...if you have a need to take your main system with you somewhere, then a laptop is the way to go; if not, you're getting more value for your money by buying the desktop. A laptop used as a desktop replacement can be put on a laptop cooler so overheating will be less of an issue. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Thanks for this Bruce. I was thinking of replacing the 80 gig drive in our family MacBook with a much bigger one for my wifes' photos and was wondering whether to go 7200 or 5400 rpm. I wonder what the difference in overall speed is given the drive is used for virtual memory. Would the faster drive produce a noticeable uptick in performance? But on the topic, the internal drive of a console MacBook would be more or less irrelevant. I have a stack of drives that would be accessed externally, maybe even for boot. The generation MacBooks I'd consider would still have Firewire, though maybe not 800, so my peripherals would be accessible thought both usb 2 and firewire, just as on an iBook. To respond to the person who would go for an older desktop, I have great sympathy for that approach, which is why I was considering a G5. But intel towers are prohibitively expensive and I don't have the time or patience for Hackintosh these days. I hope to hear some more opinions on this topic! Thanks everyone who has replied so far. Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---