Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 22, 8:31 pm, Fabian Fang f...@mac.com wrote: You have been working with VGA output from the Mac mini, which supports analog resolutions as high as 1920x1080. I believe that your ViewSonic monitor accepts DVI input. The ViewSonic accepts both VGA DVI. The odd thing is that it can get confused. But, as noted, I've achieved full screen with VGA. Thinking of buying a DVI cable to try that extra crispness Kris mentions. Thank you Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 21, 5:49 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Aug 21, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: If the cable is a VGA cable, and you have a DVI-to-VGA at the Mini, then you're stuck unless you buy a DVI cable, which should give a slightly crisper image on the monitor, as well as different sets of resolution/refresh rates. I have VGA cable with DVI-to-VGA at the Mini. But, I think I've stumbled on a fix. First, POI: I'm booting from an external drive Firewired to the Mini. Lately, after reconfiguring the daisy connections of my Mini and 4 external drive, when I Shutdown and then restart, the Mini drive boots (not sure why). OK, so, I shut down to check the DVI ports to make sure I need a male to male DVI cable. I disconnect the VGA/DVI adapter at the Mini and replug. Reboot and the Mini drive boots, AND there's FULL SCREEN. In fact I have to reduce the horizontal size to fit. A check of the MenuBar Display menu and the selected resolution is 1400x1050 There were three options showing 1400x1050 , 1600x1200 and 1920x1080. The image is kind of stretched and the fonts a bit too large. So, I select 1920x1080. Voila. full screen (no front or back doors). some adjustment required. Then I go to System Preferences/Displays and select 1920x1980 and we're back to doors I repeat the above, get full screen and reboot to my external drive. Now I have three options in the MenuBar Display menu: 1600x1200, 1920x1080 and another 1920x1080. One 1920x1080. options gives be partial screen, the other full screen. Go figure. I wonder Kris, if this has to do with the VGA selection. Anyway, the font issue isn't resolved, but I can live with it and I have full screen. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 22, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: On Aug 21, 5:49 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: If the cable is a VGA cable, and you have a DVI-to-VGA at the Mini, then you're stuck unless you buy a DVI cable, which should give a slightly crisper image on the monitor, as well as different sets of resolution/refresh rates. I have VGA cable with DVI-to-VGA at the Mini. While I have no personal experience with any Mac mini, or ViewSonic monitor, everymac.com seems to indicate that the ATI Radeon 9200 video card in all three mini G4 models, whether with 32-MB or 64-MB VRAM, supports digital resolutions up to 1920x1200, presumably when a DVI-to-DVI cable is used. http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/stats/mac_mini_g4_1.25.html You have been working with VGA output from the Mac mini, which supports analog resolutions as high as 1920x1080. I believe that your ViewSonic monitor accepts DVI input. Fabian -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
Why are we getting this message 5 times? On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences and yes I'm using DVI-DVI. On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available driver. VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver. The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set. Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade the Mini. In a couple of days I won't even notice them. The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars. Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently unresolvable complaint. In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the MenuBar Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept with the SwitchResX option afterall. I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that allows for Font size modification. And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to allow for Window Font size enlargements. I wonder if later versions do? Otherwise, I'm going to have to getcomputer eye glasses. Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19. As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
I have read complaints about repeated messages in several of the Mac discussions, and 5 seems to be the magic number. People have been blaming each other for this matter, but it's obviously not one or two people playing around. My personal take on it is that it's a Google bug. In my case, I opted out of emails and just check these forums online, so I have not experienced it, but even so Google Groups has become to buggy that it has made Firefox and Opera very unstable to the point of being unusable. I had to return to Safari, which was never my favorite browser but has proved to be rock solid. On Aug 21, 11:55 am, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Why are we getting this message 5 times? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
Gee Im happy to see others complaining about this because I recently was accused by a Nannie (who I won't name here) of spamming and excessive quoting, when I asked for an explanation I was snarked. On Aug 21, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Ashgrove wrote: I have read complaints about repeated messages in several of the Mac discussions, and 5 seems to be the magic number. People have been blaming each other for this matter, but it's obviously not one or two people playing around. My personal take on it is that it's a Google bug. On Aug 21, 11:55 am, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Why are we getting this message 5 times? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
I think something is wrong with this google site??? -Original Message- From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net Sent: Aug 21, 2010 11:55 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution Why are we getting this message 5 times? On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences and yes I'm using DVI-DVI. On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available driver. VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver. The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set. Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade the Mini. In a couple of days I won't even notice them. The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars. Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently unresolvable complaint. In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the MenuBar Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept with the SwitchResX option afterall. I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that allows for Font size modification. And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to allow for Window Font size enlargements. I wonder if later versions do? Otherwise, I'm going to have to getcomputer eye glasses. Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19. As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 21, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Ashgrove wrote: I have read complaints about repeated messages in several of the Mac discussions, and 5 seems to be the magic number. People have been blaming each other for this matter, but it's obviously not one or two people playing around. My personal take on it is that it's a Google bug. Yeah it's been intermittently hitting me. It's a Google issue, absolutely. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 21, 10:51 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Yeah it's been intermittently hitting me. It's a Google issue, absolutely. First of all let me apologize for any culpability I may have. I wanted to edit my last post and tried removing the initial post. It took several tries before I seemed to get a removal, then the digest this morning had 7 copies of my post. eeek. Also, I wonder if the manner in which I've been composing effects this multiple post thing. That is, I respond to a specific message, copy the On 'date', 'name' and desired quote. Discard the reply Then past into a reply to the last post, e.g. below Wonder if this generates confusion for Google. In any case, sorry for the clutter. Back to the resolution thing: On Aug 20, 8:01 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: the VGA port also works, and these two will have DIFFERENT choices of resolution/refresh combinations. You may want to try a different cable and see if the other port gives you what you want. Kris, I'm embarrassed to say that looking more closely at the monitor I notice I actually already have a DVI/VGA adapter installed My previous Del 19 was VGA. Based on your experience, it doesn't seem to make sense to try a straight DVI connection. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 21, 10:51 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Yeah it's been intermittently hitting me. It's a Google issue, absolutely. First of all let me apologize for any culpability I may have. I wanted to edit my last post and tried removing the initial post. It took several tries before I seemed to get a removal, then the digest this morning had 7 copies of my post. eeek. Also, I wonder if the manner in which I've been composing effects this multiple post thing. That is, I respond to a specific message, copy the On 'date', 'name' and desired quote. Discard the reply Then past into a reply to the last post, e.g. below Wonder if this generates confusion for Google. In any case, sorry for the clutter. Back to the resolution thing: On Aug 20, 8:01 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: the VGA port also works, and these two will have DIFFERENT choices of resolution/refresh combinations. You may want to try a different cable and see if the other port gives you what you want. Kris, I'm embarrassed to say that looking more closely at the monitor I notice I actually already have a DVI/VGA adapter installed My previous Del 19 was VGA. Based on your experience, it doesn't seem to make sense to try a straight DVI connection. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 21, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Kris, I'm embarrassed to say that looking more closely at the monitor I notice I actually already have a DVI/VGA adapter installed My previous Del 19 was VGA. Based on your experience, it doesn't seem to make sense to try a straight DVI connection. I'm not sure I understand. If the cable you have is a DVI-D cable, then by all means use it directly from the DVI port on the Mini to the DVI port on the monitor without the VGA adapter at the monitor. If the cable is a VGA cable, and you have a DVI-to-VGA at the Mini, then you're stuck unless you buy a DVI cable, which should give a slightly crisper image on the monitor, as well as different sets of resolution/refresh rates. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available driver. VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver. The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set. Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade the Mini. In a couple of days I won't even notice them. The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars. Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently unresolvable complaint. In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the MenuBar Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept with the SwitchResX option afterall. I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that allows for Font size modification. And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to allow for Window Font size enlargements. I wonder if later versions do? Otherwise, I'm going to have to get computer eye glasses. Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19. As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available driver. VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver. The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set. Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade the Mini. In a couple of days I won't even notice them. The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars. Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently unresolvable complaint. In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the MenuBar Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept with the SwitchResX option afterall. I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that allows for Font size modification. And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to allow for Window Font size enlargements. I wonder if later versions do? Otherwise, I'm going to have to get computer eye glasses. Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19. As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available driver. VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver. The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set. Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade the Mini. In a couple of days I won't even notice them. The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars. Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently unresolvable complaint. In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the MenuBar Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept with the SwitchResX option afterall. I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that allows for Font size modification. And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to allow for Window Font size enlargements. I wonder if later versions do? Otherwise, I'm going to have to get computer eye glasses. Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19. As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences and yes I'm using DVI-DVI. On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available driver. VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver. The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set. Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade the Mini. In a couple of days I won't even notice them. The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars. Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently unresolvable complaint. In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the MenuBar Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept with the SwitchResX option afterall. I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that allows for Font size modification. And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to allow for Window Font size enlargements. I wonder if later versions do? Otherwise, I'm going to have to getcomputer eye glasses. Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19. As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences and yes I'm using DVI-DVI. On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available driver. VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver. The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set. Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade the Mini. In a couple of days I won't even notice them. The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars. Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently unresolvable complaint. In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the MenuBar Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept with the SwitchResX option afterall. I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that allows for Font size modification. And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to allow for Window Font size enlargements. I wonder if later versions do? Otherwise, I'm going to have to getcomputer eye glasses. Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19. As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly appreciated. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 20, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa Barbara. On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences I think it's a TV only thing. On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known Your argument is compelling Kris. View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions. 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched. VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was listed Check the onscreen controls for the option to switch between stretch and 1:1 display. Most (many, some???) LCD monitors have two options when not displaying at the inherent (maximum) resolution. One is to stretch the image to fit the screen. When this it's stretched unequally in both dimensions it can get quite distorted. The other option is to display it at 1:1, one screen pixel to one video pixel. The surrounding area is left black. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: I'm running 10.4.11 on a mini G4 Bought ViewSonic VA2323WM 23 monitor. Looks great, except the VA2323 calls for 1920x1080 60 hz display and will only accept 800x600 and 1024x78 as alternatives. Everything else is out of range. Here are some more thoughts. This VA2323WM has two input ports, a VGA and a DVI-D. You'll get a slightly crisper display using the DVI-D port, but the VGA port also works, and these two will have DIFFERENT choices of resolution/refresh combinations. You may want to try a different cable and see if the other port gives you what you want. The native 1920x1080 resolution is a 16x9 aspect ratio. Other combinations with the same ratio are 1600x900, 1366x768, 1280x720, and 1024x576. These are all uncommon combinations when the G4 Mini was current, so any of these may be a problem, and the 1920x1080 is definitely a problem unless you can live with the black stripes on the edges, which is what I do on my HDTV at the identical 1920x1080 on an identical G4 Mini w/10.4.11. As I said, Leopard has DIFFERENT sets, and these are different for both the DVI port and the VGA port, so that means there are at least 4 different possibilities: Tiger/DVI, Tiger/VGA, Leopard/DVI, and Leopard/VGA. You might want to see what's offered in all four combinations. I'd zap the PRAM when changing between any of these just to get back to a default state on the monitor resolution that otherwise would be taken from the stored PRAM value (if available for the alternate System or video port). One final option is using adapters and an old Mac video cable (the original Mac type with two rows of pins, different from either a VGA or DVI). For some reason, if you use an old Mac video cable with adapters on both ends, you get an even different set of resolution/ refresh combinations offered. I have no idea why this type of kludge using an antiquated cable with adapters can change the choices, but it does. This opens the possibility that other combinations of cables and adapters might change the offerings of resolution/refresh pairings. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
I'm running 10.4.11 on a mini G4 Bought ViewSonic VA2323WM 23 monitor. Plug Play. Looks great, except the VA2323 calls for 1920x1080 60 hz display and will only accept 800x600 and 1024x78 as alternatives. Everything else is out of range. So two things about the 1920x1080 setting. 1. The window does not fill the screen. Even when Horizontal size is maxed, there's a 5/8 border on on the left and 3/8 on the right. 2. While I can adjust font size in most app windows, the OSX menu bar is much smaller than I like, as are all the bookmark bars etc in other apps. In my limited past experience, modifying the resolution generally gave one an acceptable balance. So far no response from VS tech Wondering if there's a driver that allows for more options or did I purchase and incompatible unit? Thanks in advance for responses. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: So two things about the 1920x1080 setting. 1. The window does not fill the screen. Even when Horizontal size is maxed, there's a 5/8 border on on the left and 3/8 on the right. This sounds much more like a defective display than anything else. LCD panels use the entire panel when set to their native resolution. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: So two things about the 1920x1080 setting. 1. The window does not fill the screen. Even when Horizontal size is maxed, there's a 5/8 border on on the left and 3/8 on the right. On Aug 18, 10:20 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: This sounds much more like a defective display than anything else. LCD panels use the entire panel when set to their native resolution. Thanks for the respose Bruce. I guess I'll have to wait and hear from ViewSonic to confirm. and I presume Amazon will take it back if it is defective. Relative to monitors more congenial to the miniG4 and OS 10.4.ll can you or other recommend monitors. My wife bought an Acer 22 and I don't recall having the resolution problem. That is, I was able to select a resolution that balanced window menu sizes with screen size, and although I'd probably grow accustomed to it I'm not to pleased with the small size 1920x1080 provides. What specs should one look for? thank you Cliff -- Bruce Johnson -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: So two things about the 1920x1080 setting. 1. The window does not fill the screen. Even when Horizontal size is maxed, there's a 5/8 border on on the left and 3/8 on the right. On Aug 18, 10:20 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: This sounds much more like a defective display than anything else. LCD panels use the entire panel when set to their native resolution. Thanks for the respose Bruce. I guess I'll have to wait and hear from ViewSonic to confirm. and I presume Amazon will take it back if it is defective. Relative to monitors more congenial to the miniG4 and OS 10.4.ll can you or other recommend monitors. My wife bought an Acer 22 and I don't recall having the resolution problem. That is, I was able to select a resolution that balanced window menu sizes with screen size, and although I'd probably grow accustomed to it I'm not to pleased with the small size 1920x1080 provides. What specs should one look for? thank you Cliff -- Bruce Johnson -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Relative to monitors more congenial to the miniG4 and OS 10.4.ll can you or other recommend monitors. My wife bought an Acer 22 and I don't recall having the resolution problem. Well, Vizio is on my normal list of recommended monitors, as is Acer (I have an older Acer 20 monitor at home that's proven to be a real workhorse.) Again, this isn't a 'resolution problem' with the Mini or the monitor, it's a defective monitor...(or the resolution being sent isn't the one it's claimed to be, which would be VERY weird.) Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: I'm running 10.4.11 on a mini G4 Bought ViewSonic VA2323WM 23 monitor. Plug Play. Looks great, except the VA2323 calls for 1920x1080 60 hz display and will only accept 800x600 and 1024x78 as alternatives. Everything else is out of range. So two things about the 1920x1080 setting. 1. The window does not fill the screen. Even when Horizontal size is maxed, there's a 5/8 border on on the left and 3/8 on the right. 2. While I can adjust font size in most app windows, the OSX menu bar is much smaller than I like, as are all the bookmark bars etc in other apps. In my limited past experience, modifying the resolution generally gave one an acceptable balance. So far no response from VS tech Wondering if there's a driver that allows for more options or did I purchase and incompatible unit? I had similar problems when trying to use my G4 Mini at 1920x1080 at 60 Hz. The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well known. The problem is caused by something called the TDMS Refresh Rate. This is a complicated technical issue. There are two types of LCD monitors, called coherent non-coherent. I believe the G4 Mini requires a coherent monitor with a TDMS rate below 135 MHz. In higher resolutions the TDMS rate is generally above 135 MHz for modern monitors and LCD TVs, so you've got the problem you're seeing now. The borders you're seeing have to do with the compromise the video card makes to display at 1920x1080 @ 60Hz AND keep the TDMS rate below 135MHz. These black areas have technical names like front porch and back porch I believe, and I don't think they can easily be removed. Here's one strange thing, Leopard has a different 1920x1080 on the G4 Mini than does Tiger, so you might try using Leopard, but be forewarned, Leopard is slower on a G4 Mini, and at 1920x1080 you may suffer from stuttering video in Leopard. I opted to stay with Tiger and live with the black borders of the front porch and back porch. You may also be able to use either SwitchResX or DisplayConfigX to dail in a custom resolution that works better. BE CAREFUL, these are dangerous programs and you need to know the EXACT technical specifications of both your monitor and video card to get a good match. Knowing the pixel clock rate, the TDMS rate, and both the front back porch setting is critical. I'd think about a different Mac, the monitor is fine I'm sure, it's just that Apple cut corners on the G4 video, and at 1920x1080 these cuts become apparent. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: So two things about the 1920x1080 setting. 1. The window does not fill the screen. Even when Horizontal size is maxed, there's a 5/8 border on on the left and 3/8 on the right. On Aug 18, 10:20 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: This sounds much more like a defective display than anything else. LCD panels use the entire panel when set to their native resolution. Something to check on... Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080 click on the Options tab. If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check box. I still don't know why the limited resolution. I'd agree with Bruce except that defects usually don't work (or not work) this way, but it's possible. I have my G4 MacMini connected to a 52 LCD TV via HDMI and I have many resolutions to pick from and at 1920 x 1080 it fills the screen. Thanks for the respose Bruce. I guess I'll have to wait and hear from ViewSonic to confirm. and I presume Amazon will take it back if it is defective. Relative to monitors more congenial to the miniG4 and OS 10.4.ll can you or other recommend monitors. My wife bought an Acer 22 and I don't recall having the resolution problem. That is, I was able to select a resolution that balanced window menu sizes with screen size, and although I'd probably grow accustomed to it I'm not to pleased with the small size 1920x1080 provides. I set up an Acer (or it might have been Asus) 22 monitor on a G4 MacMini and it works just fine with several resolutions available. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have my G4 MacMini connected to a 52 LCD TV via HDMI and I have many resolutions to pick from and at 1920 x 1080 it fills the screen. This is a slightly different issue. You're using a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable, and the 52 LCD has many more pixels than the maximum resolution of 1920x1080 that your G4 Mini is outputting. I'm still surprised that you say you're getting edge-to-edge video, are you certain about that? Often the black strips are very dark and can blend into the border of the TV. What version of the G4 Mini do you have, and what OS version are you using? As far as using a G4 Mini at 1920x1080 given the hardware limitations of the video card, here are some links that may help: This is the hardware specification for the G4 Mini. The critical specification is a note at the bottom of page 30 that says: The Mac mini supports DVI video output for digital resolutions up to 1920x1200 with a maximum pixel clock of 154MHz coherent TMDS or 135MHz non-coherent TMDS. http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/MacMiniG4/MacMiniG4.pdf This is how one person setup a custom resolution for the G4 Mini at 1920x1080 using SwitchResX: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-792248.html I know Cliff is probably using a straight DVI-D/DVI-D cable, but for anyone using a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable, be warned that all DVI-to- HDMI cables are NOT identical, there are many variations on how cables are wired, and there is no firm specification for handling audio. AFAIK the G4 Mini can NOT output audio across DVI-to-HDMI which is not how HDMI is supposed to work. You'd need a separate audio cable and the ability of the TV/Monitor to handle this audio separately from the HDMI video. More modern Macs CAN output both audio and video over DVI- to-HDMI adapter cables provided that you have one of the correct cables, and again, there are no standard cables, so be very careful. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have my G4 MacMini connected to a 52 LCD TV via HDMI and I have many resolutions to pick from and at 1920 x 1080 it fills the screen. This is a slightly different issue. You're using a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable, and the 52 LCD has many more pixels than the maximum resolution of 1920x1080 that your G4 Mini is outputting. I'm still surprised that you say you're getting edge-to-edge video, are you certain about that? Often the black strips are very dark and can blend into the border of the TV. What version of the G4 Mini do you have, and what OS version are you using? How do you figure the LCD has more pixels, it's a 1920 x 1080 screen. I'm running Leopard, not sure of the Mini version off hand. As far as using a G4 Mini at 1920x1080 given the hardware limitations of the video card, here are some links that may help: This is the hardware specification for the G4 Mini. The critical specification is a note at the bottom of page 30 that says: The Mac mini supports DVI video output for digital resolutions up to 1920x1200 with a maximum pixel clock of 154MHz coherent TMDS or 135MHz non-coherent TMDS. http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/MacMiniG4/MacMiniG4.pdf This is how one person setup a custom resolution for the G4 Mini at 1920x1080 using SwitchResX: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-792248.html I know Cliff is probably using a straight DVI-D/DVI-D cable, but for anyone using a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable, be warned that all DVI-to-HDMI cables are NOT identical, there are many variations on how cables are wired, and there is no firm specification for handling audio. AFAIK the G4 Mini can NOT output audio across DVI-to-HDMI which is not how HDMI is supposed to work. You'd need a separate audio cable and the ability of the TV/Monitor to handle this audio separately from the HDMI video. More modern Macs CAN output both audio and video over DVI-to-HDMI adapter cables provided that you have one of the correct cables, and again, there are no standard cables, so be very careful. AFAIK DVI doesn't support audio at all. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution
On Aug 18, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Clark Martin wrote: How do you figure the LCD has more pixels, it's a 1920 x 1080 screen. You're correct. 1920 BIG pixels, which is why HDTV make bad monitors unless you're sitting about 10 feet away. You can buy 15 notebooks with the same 1920x1080 resolution. That means the notebook has over 11x the pixel density of the 52 HDTV. Eleven pixels of the notebook would fit inside one single pixel of the HDTV with room to spare. I'm running Leopard, not sure of the Mini version off hand. All the G4 Mini's came with Radeon 9200 video cards, but the final 1.5 GHz Mini has a different 9200 with 64MB VRAM rather than the standard 32MB that all the other G4 had. This final 1.5 GHz Mini may possibly have better DVI output than the other G4 Minis with the 32MB Radeon 9200, an Achilles' heel of the G4 Mini. The other Achilles' heel of the G4 Mini is the single RAM slot and the need for low-density RAM, which limits the G4 Mini to 1 GB RAM total. AFAIK DVI doesn't support audio at all. On older computers it doesn't. But with the proliferation of DVI-to- HDMI adapters, many video card and computer manufacturers started using some of the unused pins of the DVI output to handle audio, and then adapted this non-standardized audio into special DVI-to-HDMI cables so that you could achieve standard HDMI audio/video from a DVI port. If you have a newer Mac, you can get standard HDMI audio/video from a DVI or mini-DVI port IF you have the correct Apple approved cable. Other cables should always work for the video only, and the audio may or may not work depending upon how the DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable is wired AND the DVI port supports audio output. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
