Print an evil PDF file?

2009-01-29 Thread Dan

Hi,

I gots an evil PDF file that I just cannot seem to print properly. 
Hopefully someone here can see what I've missed...  The file is a 
train schedule, from NJ Transit.  The old schedules - they were nice 
- Preview opened 'em and they printed double-sided on our HP LaserJet 
at full size.  Totally readable.  This new schedule... is 24 x 8.5 
  Preview makes an unreadable mess, fitting it to a page, or just 
looses 2/3 of the schedule when done at 100%.

http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/r0090.pdf

Acrobat 9 won't install -- various errors.  So I'm trying to use 
Acrobat 8.1.3  (on OS X 10.4.11).

What print settings do I need to use to print this thing at full 
size, so I can read / use it?

So far, every combination I've tried has resulted in cut off text at 
the margins, or so tiny you cannot even read it with a magnifying 
glass...

Thanks,
- Dan.
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Re: Print an evil PDF file?

2009-01-29 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Dan wrote:


 Hi,

 I gots an evil PDF file that I just cannot seem to print properly.
 Hopefully someone here can see what I've missed...  The file is a
 train schedule, from NJ Transit.  The old schedules - they were nice
 - Preview opened 'em and they printed double-sided on our HP LaserJet
 at full size.  Totally readable.  This new schedule... is 24 x 8.5
   Preview makes an unreadable mess, fitting it to a page, or just
 looses 2/3 of the schedule when done at 100%.

 http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/r0090.pdf

 Acrobat 9 won't install -- various errors.  So I'm trying to use
 Acrobat 8.1.3  (on OS X 10.4.11).

Can you feed outsized paper? Do you have an inkjet handy? Print to a  
long roll

IN 10.5 (I don't know about 10.4, and a *lot* of improvements were  
made to preview in 10.5) I was able to select chunks of the page, copy  
and paste them into new documents. (Select 'New Document from  
Clipboard')

What you can then do is print them individually. If you want to have a  
pdf that is savable, turn on the thumbnail view on these documents ,  
and drag the page thumbnail from one document to another. You can  
assemble one large PDF from a bunch of smaller ones that way.

Again, I don't know if this works in the Preview from 10.4.



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Re: Print an evil PDF file?

2009-01-29 Thread Richard Smallwood

On 29 Jan 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dan wrote:

 I gots an evil PDF file that I just cannot seem to print properly.
 Hopefully someone here can see what I've missed...  The file is a
 train schedule, from NJ Transit.  The old schedules - they were nice
 - Preview opened 'em and they printed double-sided on our HP LaserJet
 at full size.  Totally readable.  This new schedule... is 24 x 8.5
   Preview makes an unreadable mess, fitting it to a page, or just
 looses 2/3 of the schedule when done at 100%.

 http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/r0090.pdf

Dan,
My experience with it was really strange (OSX.4.11). I could not  
manually download it into Acrobat Reader 8.1.3 or Acrobat Reader  
7.0.9. It did print out using Safari 3.2.1. I used legal size,  
landscape print, but had to reduce 58% to get it on one page. You can  
read it, but the print is small.

I then saved it as save as and it could be opened by Acrobat Reader  
7.0.9. I then used the snapshot tool and it printed each half of the  
page on 100% landscape on letter size paper.

HTH,
Richard

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Re: Print an evil PDF file?

2009-01-29 Thread Dan

At 1:21 PM -0600 1/29/2009, Richard Smallwood wrote:
This new schedule... is 24 x 8.5   Preview makes an unreadable 
mess, fitting it to a page, or just looses 2/3 of the schedule when 
done at 100%.
http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/r0090.pdf

My experience with it was really strange (OSX.4.11). I could not 
manually download it

That's settings between your browser and the pdf plug-in.  The 
default is to load the pdf into the app, not download it.  Another 
soln is to download it with curl.curl -LO url

into Acrobat Reader 8.1.3 or Acrobat Reader 7.0.9. It did print out 
using Safari 3.2.1. I used legal size, landscape print, but had to 
reduce 58% to get it on one page. You can read it, but the print is 
small.

yea, too small for me.  The hubble sized magnifying glass I'd need 
doesn't fit in my wallet. :(

used the snapshot tool and it printed each half of the page on 100% 
landscape on letter size paper.

Ya, as Bruce suggested...  Ok.  I'm grabbing chunks now, pasting 
them into GraphicConverter, then printing them.  They look good so 
far.   sigh.   pita.

Tried to get the printed schedule directly from NJT... I was told 
they don't mail them out.  Checked the train station - they no gots. 
The bins for them, glued to the ticket machines, are full of ancient 
trash.  So it doesn't look like they ever gots.  sigh.  Gotta love 
these well-run quasi-government agencies.  *grumble*

Thx,
- Dan.
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Re: Print an evil PDF file?

2009-01-29 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jan 29, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Dan wrote:

 used the snapshot tool and it printed each half of the page on 100%
 landscape on letter size paper.

 Ya, as Bruce suggested...  Ok.  I'm grabbing chunks now, pasting
 them into GraphicConverter, then printing them.  They look good so
 far.   sigh.   pita.



Hmm, I wonder if this will work A VERY useful Excel hint in Mac OSX  
hints today:

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090126150357236

Place the pdf in Excel, use this to print one page high by however  
many wide?


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Re: Print an evil PDF file?

2009-01-29 Thread glen





- Original Message 
 From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com

 Hi,
 
 I gots an evil PDF file that I just cannot seem to print properly. 
 Hopefully someone here can see what I've missed...  The file is a 
 train schedule, from NJ Transit.  The old schedules - they were nice 
 - Preview opened 'em and they printed double-sided on our HP LaserJet 
 at full size.  Totally readable.  This new schedule... is 24 x 8.5 
   Preview makes an unreadable mess, fitting it to a page, or just 
 looses 2/3 of the schedule when done at 100%.
 
 
 
 Acrobat 9 won't install -- various errors.  So I'm trying to use 
 Acrobat 8.1.3  (on OS X 10.4.11).
 
 What print settings do I need to use to print this thing at full 
 size, so I can read / use it?
 
 So far, every combination I've tried has resulted in cut off text at 
 the margins, or so tiny you cannot even read it with a magnifying 
 glass...
 

By Acrobat 9, I assume you mean the free Reader version? If not the commercial 
version has a crop tool. I just tried it in Acrobat 6 and cropped 12 inches to 
the left and I got a 8 1/2 x 11 document @ 85% of the right half of one side. 
Very easy to read. Following this procedure  for the rest of the doc I would 
get four letter size page to read the entire document.

I could have also used the printing tile function without doing the above at 
least with the printer I use.

OK, you probably don't the commercial version of Acrobat.

In that case check to see if the printer drivers you are using has a tile 
option so you can print the file in multiple  pages.

If not ,as a last resort you could use Preview  and use the Select Tool to to 
select half the document. First your would likely have to rotate the document 
90 degrees. Then copy the selected area to the clipboard and paste it into 
TextEdit or similar program. It will print as a graphic so it will still be 
difficult to read. I tried this and it is readable but something you would want 
to frame.

Or if you have the luxury of processing InDesign 2.0 or later you can just drag 
the .pdf into a 4 page, 8 1/2 x 11 doc and crop it to fit and print it with no 
loss of quality.

I'm a printer and handle pre-press so if all else fails, if you are not in a 
hurry I can send this back to you on Saturday as four page 8 1/2 x 12 .pdf. It 
will print at 85% --glen


  

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Re: Print an evil PDF file?

2009-01-29 Thread James E. Therrault

Dan wrote:
 At 1:21 PM -0600 1/29/2009, Richard Smallwood wrote:
 
This new schedule... is 24 x 8.5   Preview makes an unreadable 
mess, fitting it to a page, or just looses 2/3 of the schedule when 
done at 100%.
http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/r0090.pdf

My experience with it was really strange (OSX.4.11). I could not 
manually download it
 
 
 That's settings between your browser and the pdf plug-in.  The 
 default is to load the pdf into the app, not download it.  Another 
 soln is to download it with curl.curl -LO url
 
 
into Acrobat Reader 8.1.3 or Acrobat Reader 7.0.9. It did print out 
using Safari 3.2.1. I used legal size, landscape print, but had to 
reduce 58% to get it on one page. You can read it, but the print is 
small.
 
 
 yea, too small for me.  The hubble sized magnifying glass I'd need 
 doesn't fit in my wallet. :(
 
 
used the snapshot tool and it printed each half of the page on 100% 
landscape on letter size paper.
 
 
 Ya, as Bruce suggested...  Ok.  I'm grabbing chunks now, pasting 
 them into GraphicConverter, then printing them.  They look good so 
 far.   sigh.   pita.
 
 Tried to get the printed schedule directly from NJT... I was told 
 they don't mail them out.  Checked the train station - they no gots. 
 The bins for them, glued to the ticket machines, are full of ancient 
 trash.  So it doesn't look like they ever gots.  sigh.  Gotta love 
 these well-run quasi-government agencies.  *grumble*
 
 Thx,
 - Dan.


Dan, the dimensions for that document would print on a tabloid (11x17) 
printer.  Even then, the type size would be small. That brochure is much 
too busy and could certainly have been designed better.

JT

(Trying to find an excuse to fire up my old Epson 1200)



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