Re: Apple inside?

On 2010/10/25 18:15, Amanda Ward so eloquently wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: We have lots of cats left on the list: Asian Golden Cat Fishing Cat Wildcat (many varieties) Sand Cat Geoffroy's Cat Serval Caracal Cheetah Margay Iriomote Cat Jaguar & Leopard (used) Blac

Re: Apple inside?

On 2010/10/26 12:07, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: On Oct 26, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/26 10:19, Bill Christensen so eloquently wrote: Just as long as we don't have to deal with Schroedinger's Cat... Every time you try to use it, it's either dead or not dead. Wouldn'

Re: Apple inside?

MAINE COON! On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:35 AM, Joshua Juran wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: We have lots of cats left on the list: [snip] Cheetah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.0 Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a

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On Oct 26, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Tina K. wrote: > On 2010/10/26 10:19, Bill Christensen so eloquently wrote: >> Just as long as we don't have to deal with Schroedinger's Cat... Every >> time you try to use it, it's either dead or not dead. > > Wouldn't it be simultaneously dead and alive? And if so

Re: Apple inside?

On 2010/10/26 10:19, Bill Christensen so eloquently wrote: Just as long as we don't have to deal with Schroedinger's Cat... Every time you try to use it, it's either dead or not dead. Wouldn't it be simultaneously dead and alive? And if so, what would you feed it??? Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2,

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: > At 07:08 -0700 10/26/10, Gary D. wrote: > >The big cats are pretty much played out. How about something more > >agressive: Alligator or Crocodile. And then on to the dinosaurs - lots > >to choose from. > > > >Sorry, couldn't resist. > > > > Li

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At 8:22 PM + 10/25/10, Charles Davis wrote: On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: We have lots of cats left on the list: Asian Golden Cat Fishing Cat Wildcat (many varieties) ... Lion (used) Tiger (used) -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 Let's not forget Tabby and Calico!

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At 07:08 -0700 10/26/10, Gary D. wrote: >The big cats are pretty much played out. How about something more >agressive: Alligator or Crocodile. And then on to the dinosaurs - lots >to choose from. > >Sorry, couldn't resist. > Lists can be fun. With the Lion King one thinks of Disney - o wait, Disn

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The big cats are pretty much played out. How about something more agressive: Alligator or Crocodile. And then on to the dinosaurs - lots to choose from. Sorry, couldn't resist. G. D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 deskt

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On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: We have lots of cats left on the list: [snip] Cheetah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.0 Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a parti

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With Lion king of the jungle, maybe, it's on to OS XI and another animal after this! OS X has steadily matured but I sure don't consider that 7 or 8 "systems" have been presented. Tiger seems to be the maturing high point of a steady series of incremental improvements and tinkering. -- Y

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Previously, at 8:22 pm + 10/25/10, Charles Davis wrote: >On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: > >>On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: >> >>>On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tina K. >>><penguir...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>On 2010/10/25 14:

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 25, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: > > It's the last question that makes me do this. I had an IBM 024 punch in my > office that nobody else wanted because it didn't print the letters on the top > edge. The 026's did. It's really fun to check a FORTRAN deck for typos when > all

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/25 14:48, Andrew Liu Anderson so eloquently wrote: Sorry in advance if this is a bring-down for some folks. It's just time that o

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: As an interesting aside I there was also a PPC native version of Windows NT 4.0 I guess MS was not content to just subject PC users to NT. That one was designed to run on CHRP (?) hardware, not Mac hardware; they never advanced much bey

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Well cats names are a proper considering the imperiousness Of apple philosophy. How about " Simon's Cat " Check out kitty behavior on youtube. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Powe

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On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: 10.9… iCougar? We have lots of cats left on the list: Asian Golden Cat Fishing Cat Wildcat (many varieties) Sand Cat Geoffroy's Cat Serval Caracal Cheetah Margay Iriomote Cat Jaguar & Leopard (used) Black Panther (Panther has been used) Puma

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/25 14:48, Andrew Liu Anderson so eloquently wrote: Sorry in advance if this is a bring-down for some folks. It's just time that

Re: Apple inside?

At 14:19 -0700 10/25/10, Andrew Liu Anderson wrote: > > Also, at 3GHz, you cross-over into the SHF range of micro-wave on radio > spectrum. As frequency increases, "Skin Effect" of AC current becomes more > dramatic, to where it becomes impossible to use ordinary conductors to carry > your cloc

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/25 14:48, Andrew Liu Anderson so eloquently wrote: Sorry in advance if this is a bring-down for some folks. It's just time that our world, Apple fans included, do a little slw-do

Re: Apple inside?

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tina K. wrote: > On 2010/10/25 14:48, Andrew Liu Anderson so eloquently wrote: > >> Sorry in advance if this is a bring-down for some folks. It's just time >> that our world, Apple fans included, do a little slw-dn, >> back-up & re-evaluate our values.

Re: Apple inside?

On 2010/10/25 14:48, Andrew Liu Anderson so eloquently wrote: Sorry in advance if this is a bring-down for some folks. It's just time that our world, Apple fans included, do a little slw-dn, back-up & re-evaluate our values. Not at all. I'm very happy with my PPC Macs (except for Fl

Re: Apple inside?

Joshua Juran wrote: . multiple cores have gone mainstream as an alternative to increasing clock speed. Whereas a small increase in performance costs you a large increase in power consumption and heat generation, a reduction in performance (maybe 10 or 20%) cuts the heat and power in

Re: Apple inside?

Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/24 00:35, Brian Christmas so eloquently wrote: The end of this race is a long way away yet. The finish line is constantly being moved, there is no end. Tina Actually, it's more like the carrot in front of the horse's nose. As long as the horse is willing to k

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As an interesting aside I there was also a PPC native version of Windows NT 4.0 I guess MS was not content to just subject PC users to NT. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM, James Therrault wrote: > >> >> AIX was in use on Macs way before the

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To: Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple inside? On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:07 PM, daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote: > Apple went with Intel in a premature attempt to boost laptop sales > which was their second best seller after ipods. The Cell procssor > would

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM, James Therrault wrote: AIX was in use on Macs way before the PPC days. I remember a developer using it in 1990... AIX is IBM's proprietary frankenunix, you're thinking of A/UX, which was Apple's port of S

Re: Apple inside?

At 8:50 PM -0700 10/24/2010, Joshua Juran wrote: The Core 2 Duo was a real performance boost comparted to the PowerPC G4 which was stuck at 1.5 GHz. I know, witch third party CPU upgrades 2 GHz is possible without overclocking - altough I'm not sure if they aren't overclocked by default? My r

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On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: > The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2 > duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance and I don't know many > Apple users who want to Use Windoze unless they absolutely have to and > there are emulators that

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Apple inside? Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N From:Daniel Stewart To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2 duo

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM, James Therrault wrote: > > AIX was in use on Macs way before the PPC days. I remember a developer using > it in 1990... AIX is IBM's proprietary frankenunix, you're thinking of A/UX, which was Apple's port of System V: -- Br

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Joshua Juran wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Peter Haas wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, James Therrault wrote: IBM was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips There WERE versions of that Microchannel machine which supported PPC. I think he mea

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Peter Haas wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, James Therrault wrote: IBM was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips There WERE versions of that Microchannel machine which supported PPC. I think he meant OS/2. Josh -- You received this message becaus

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On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:47 AM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote: - Original Message - From: "James Therrault" but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops. Neither IBM or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with

Re: Apple inside?

On 2010/10/24 00:35, Brian Christmas so eloquently wrote: The end of this race is a long way away yet. The finish line is constantly being moved, there is no end. Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:07 PM, daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote: Apple went with Intel in a premature attempt to boost laptop sales which was their second best seller after ipods. The Cell procssor would have been perfct for laptops which why the made one specifically for that purpose. I

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: I know, witch third party CPU upgrades 2 GHz is possible without overclocking – altough I'm not sure if they aren't overclocked by default? 1.42 was the fastest chip which Freescale (successor to Motorola) was making in the end. The

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, James Therrault wrote: IBM was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips There WERE versions of that Microchannel machine which supported PPC. Usually sold as part of IBM's AIX products. Much as Apple's Network Server products supported AIX. -- You received

Re: Apple inside?

-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Apple inside? Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N From:Daniel Stewart To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2 > duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance The

Re: Apple inside?

Bruce I was talking about how things were perceived when it was revealed that they would have had a far better product if they had waited and your comments are misleading since the vast majority of Apple's record sales and stock increases over the last several years have been generated almost entir

Re: Apple inside?

To: Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple inside? On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: >> The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC >> solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then >> anything Intel had and that Ble

Re: Apple inside?

-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Apple inside? Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N From:James Therrault To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > On Oct 24, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Dan wrote: > Eventurally and partly due to the ALTIVEC squabble, IBM took over > most G4 p

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On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote: Ultimately Apple ended up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price. yeah, record-breaking profits, stock at stratospheric highs, a complete rejuvenation of the platform and more Macs sold than ever in their history. Dell stock

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On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but it came a few months too late because Apple in their imp

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On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: CPU magazine claims that next year a technology and logic combination will be released that will be 1000 times as fast and blow everything out of the water. CPU has never let me down on a prediction despite the constant skep

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On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:17 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: "Everything that has occurred in Silicon Valley in the last couple of decades also occurred in the 1850s. Anyone who thinks that wild-ass high tech venture capitalism is a late-20th-century California phenomenon needs to read abo

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gt;> too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could >> not push back a release date on new laptops. >> >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM,   wrote: >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "James Therrault" >&

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in their impatience jumped > too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could > not push back a release date on new laptops. > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM, wrote: >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "James Therrault

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I've been in the industry for 26+ years. It's rare to see a leap that's outside the bounds of Moore's law. The geometry of semiconductors moves in small increments, 1/4 micron, 200nm, 180nm, 120nm, 90nm, 65nm, 45nm, 32nm you get the idea. Most vendors have hit a bit of a wall in terms of perfor

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> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM > Subject: Re: Apple inside? > > > On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote: > > >> I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4 >> "portables" and Core i7 and i9 "desktops".  OS

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- Original Message - From: "James Therrault" To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM Subject: Re: Apple inside? On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote: > I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4 > "

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On Oct 24, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Dan wrote: At 5:07 AM -0600 10/24/2010, James Therrault wrote: When the PowerPC alliance dropped the ball (inability to produce faster PowerPC G4 processors for laptops), Apple jumped ship by switching to Intel's new Core architecture. Don'tcha mean G5? The

Re: Apple inside?

At 5:07 AM -0600 10/24/2010, James Therrault wrote: When the PowerPC alliance dropped the ball (inability to produce faster PowerPC G4 processors for laptops), Apple jumped ship by switching to Intel's new Core architecture. Don'tcha mean G5? The roadmap called for both the G4 and G5 to prog

Re: Apple inside?

On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote: At 11:19 PM -0700 10/23/2010, Scotty wrote: Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad. In ?2008?, Apple bought PA Semi, a company that *designs* chips. Like Apple, they don't fab

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At 11:19 PM -0700 10/23/2010, Scotty wrote: Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad. In ?2008?, Apple bought PA Semi, a company that *designs* chips. Like Apple, they don't fabricate ("make") anything - that work is all

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"Everything that has occurred in Silicon Valley in the last couple of decades also occurred in the 1850s. Anyone who thinks that wild-ass high tech venture capitalism is a late-20th-century California phenomenon needs to read about the maniacs who built the first transatlantic cable projects. The o

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On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Scotty wrote: > Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for > mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad. Now I am wondering > if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple has any intention of > eventually manufacturing their own CPU

Re: Apple inside?

On 24/10/2010, at 5:19 PM, Scotty wrote: > Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for > mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad. Now I am wondering > if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple has any intention of > eventually manufacturing their own CPUs for

Apple inside?

Apple relatively recently acquired a company that makes CPUs for mobile devices like the A4 Processor in the ipad. Now I am wondering if I am the only one who is wondering if Apple has any intention of eventually manufacturing their own CPUs for their computers instead of looking to Intel or IBM