Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
Speaking of browsers, I am attempting to edit my about:config in AuroraFox to stop nagging me about missing and outdated plugins. I toggle the settings, but they do not save after a restart. What is the trick? If there is no trick for that, isn't there a trick to get Flash to think it is updated for a G5 running Leopard? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
This thread has actually returned in its own way to the topic of browsers---in a general sense---and how to stay on the low-end as sites like Google demand more and more computer resources. For example, when I was limited to using my G3 iBook, and my G4 stock Digital Audio, I often took refuge in the Elinks text browser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELinks It runs in the Terminal and reminds of my original internet experience of modeming in to my University Vax account, running Gopher. It is *especially* well suited to Google Groups as it eliminates all formatting other than ASCII text. It can also be used for Gmail and Yahoo mail. When I begin to detest how much WWW has become like TV, I use ELinks. As for Facebook, there is a Firefox addon called Facebook Purity which reverses some of the more egregious nonsense---as far as the formatting is concerned. Right now I am responding to this Google Groups thread through the Basic HTML version of Gmail---which, by the way, selects for you if quoted text appears above or below your reply. There is even a more barebones version of Gmail, the mobile version you can run in your browser. I don't think I will be posting through the Groups interface on principle. On 7/28/12, Paul Stamsen pwseventy...@bresnan.net wrote: On 7/27/12 2:11 pm, MaGioZal wrote: On 7/27/12 4:49 PM, Paul Stamsen atpaterfami...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. I dislike the new Google Groups interface. Blech! Newsgroups are supposed to be simple and texty, not full of CPU slowing frames and complex. Then you'll HATE the new FB Timeline!! ;) Well, first I was confused with the FB timeline, but with some time I'e got used to it -- because there are no way to turn back to the old interface, anyway... that's why I didn't go there! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
It runs in the Terminal and reminds of my original internet experience of modeming in to my University Vax account, running Gopher. It is *especially* well suited to Google Groups as it eliminates all formatting other than ASCII text. Gopher's still around: gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/ http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Queen, you shall be it if you wish/Look for your king -- Pink Floyd -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:21 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: It runs in the Terminal and reminds of my original internet experience of modeming in to my University Vax account, running Gopher. It is *especially* well suited to Google Groups as it eliminates all formatting other than ASCII text. Gopher's still around: gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/ http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw Ahh the good old days of spelunking the gopher holes. I remember when you had to trade around lists of open FTP sites to get software...I still have one about a half-inch thick, laboriously printed out on my Epson FX-80 Compatible Gemini dot matrix printer. And that sure looks like an offshoot of lynx, the original character-based web browser.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On 7/27/12 2:11 pm, MaGioZal wrote: On 7/27/12 4:49 PM, Paul Stamsen atpaterfami...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. I dislike the new Google Groups interface. Blech! Newsgroups are supposed to be simple and texty, not full of CPU slowing frames and complex. Then you'll HATE the new FB Timeline!! ;) Well, first I was confused with the FB timeline, but with some time I'e got used to it -- because there are no way to turn back to the old interface, anyway... that's why I didn't go there! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:00:06 AM UTC-5, MaGioZal wrote: On 7/24/12 5:47 AM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: PatchBurn 4.0.5 can fix this issue in anything earlier than 10.5, so it really doesn't matter if the firmware says Apple or something else. PatchBurn is HIGHLY recommendable for everyone who has a non-original CD/DVD writer and run Mac OS X versions prior to 10.5. Before installing P.B. I thought my DVD writer has some kind of hardware defect because it wrote CDs, but almost always had problems in writing DVDs... Did you have problems in Toast, or just with Disk Utility? I'm having a problem with the Toshiba TS-T632 drive in my G4 Mini, but all the problems have been while using Toast, and I wouldn't think that Patchburn would affect that. I need to do some more testing, but I think the drive is history. Jeff Walther P.S. I dislike the new Google Groups interface. Blech! Newsgroups are supposed to be simple and texty, not full of CPU slowing frames and complex. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:57 am, t...@prismnet.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:00:06 AM UTC-5, MaGioZal wrote: P.S. I dislike the new Google Groups interface. Blech! Newsgroups are supposed to be simple and texty, not full of CPU slowing frames and complex. Then you'll HATE the new FB Timeline!! ;) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On 7/25/12 2:57 PM, t...@prismnet.com at t...@prismnet.com wrote: Did you have problems in Toast, or just with Disk Utility? My problems were basically with the burning interface of Finder. -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On 7/27/12 4:49 PM, Paul Stamsen at paterfami...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. I dislike the new Google Groups interface. Blech! Newsgroups are supposed to be simple and texty, not full of CPU slowing frames and complex. Then you'll HATE the new FB Timeline!! ;) Well, first I was confused with the FB timeline, but with some time I'e got used to it -- because there are no way to turn back to the old interface, anyway... -- MaGioZal. http://twitpic.com/photos/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On 7/28/12 1:51 AM, Cameron Kaiser at spec...@floodgap.com wrote: P.S. I dislike the new Google Groups interface. Blech! Newsgroups are supposed to be simple and texty, not full of CPU slowing frames and complex. Yeah, it's terrible. It's not even good on the office Core i5, and it's way too slow for the iMac G4. The Yahooization of Google. -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
Ok, I am using AuroraFox with great success, including the NoSquint addon for formatting, so I am all good on that aspect of setup. Strange problem has emerged. The Superdrive has no trouble reading DVD's, but, I am trying to add some cd's to my ITunes, and the cd's won't mount. Any ideas on this? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On Jul 24, 2012, at 2:20 AM, a1 wrote: Any ideas on this (CD won't mount, DVD fine)? Perhaps clean? Some of the Apple Superdrives are standard other drives with newer firmware that support more media types. There is even patched newer firmware for some drives that will allow the drive to be recognized as Apple rather than something else. All that stupidity about the origin of the drive ended completely by Leopard 10.5, so it's not necessary to have an Apple drive as of 10.5. PatchBurn 4.0.5 can fix this issue in anything earlier than 10.5, so it really doesn't matter if the firmware says Apple or something else. I kinda suspect you won't solve this problem, you might need another drive? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
On 7/24/12 5:47 AM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: PatchBurn 4.0.5 can fix this issue in anything earlier than 10.5, so it really doesn't matter if the firmware says Apple or something else. PatchBurn is HIGHLY recommendable for everyone who has a non-original CD/DVD writer and run Mac OS X versions prior to 10.5. Before installing P.B. I thought my DVD writer has some kind of hardware defect because it wrote CDs, but almost always had problems in writing DVDs... -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
At 12:20 AM -0700 7/24/2012, a1 wrote: Strange problem has emerged. What does this have to do with web browsing? When changing subjects, please start a different thread. The Superdrive has no trouble reading DVD's, but, I am trying to add some cd's to my ITunes, and the cd's won't mount. Any ideas on this? won't mount -- in what way? Exactly what happens? What do you hear from the drive? Does the drive and media show up in System Profiler? Are errors being thrown into the system log? Clean the CDs. Clean the optical drive. Is Finder set to display CDs/DVDs on the desktop? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 up and running, what about browsers?
Finally got my Dual 1.8 G5 online with an Airlink 101 Wireless N mini USB Adapter [as suggested on this list], and it is surfing fine. Couple issues. My Apple Studio flat screen display is only 1024 x 780. I was using it with an old G4 and Opera 10.10, specifically for one feature: the fit to width button. Opera 10.63 seems unstable on the G5 running Leopard, and Opera 10.10 looks outdated. What was the last stable, reliable version of Opera for PPC? Aurora is fast and stable, but, I am missing a third of every webpage, having to constantly scroll over. Is there anyway to get Aurora/Firefox to fit to screen width? Compared to my G4 I am not having too much trouble playing video right off the websites. I think my Flash is outdated because I can play Youtube and Hulu with no difficulty. It was mentioned here though that there is a way of always getting Quicktime to play video: what is that utility again? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
At 4:51 AM -0500 7/22/2012, arichic...@gmail.com wrote: Dual 1.8 G5 Leopard What was the last stable, reliable version of Opera for PPC? Opera has never been stable or reliable on any of my ppc macs, so... Compared to my G4 I am not having too much trouble playing video right off the websites. I think my Flash is outdated because I can play Youtube and Hulu with no difficulty. It was mentioned here though that there is a way of always getting Quicktime to play video: what is that utility again? Not sure what you're asking here. If the web site presents a flash video, then the browser will use the flash plug-in. For all other video types, QuickTime is called, which subsequently runs the appropriate codec. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?
Compared to my G4 I am not having too much trouble playing video right off the websites. I think my Flash is outdated because I can play Youtube and Hulu with no difficulty. It was mentioned here though that there is a way of always getting Quicktime to play video: what is that utility again? Not sure what you're asking here. If the web site presents a flash video, then the browser will use the flash plug-in. For all other video types, QuickTime is called, which subsequently runs the appropriate codec. He might be referring to this: http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/QuickTimeEnabler -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Political correctness is tyranny with manners. -- Charlton Heston -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
On 11/16/11 1:39 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:57 AM, a1 wrote: I really need an email program I can suck my gmail out of Google without bothering anymore with their webmail. Use OS X Mail.app. There are several tutorials for setting up Gmail on Mail.app: http://joelgreutman.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/how-to-make-mailapp-and-gmail-play-nicer-using-imap-and-gmail-demystified/ http://complexdiagrams.com/2009/01/imap-for-gmail-mailapp-iphone/ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/answers/how_to_setup_gmail_imap_and_mail.app1/ Don't feel bad, I have an email account (new T-bird install on G5) that requires use of goggle mail and of course google refuses to recognize the password. (Which worked on HQ-a group earlier.) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
On 2011/11/15 23:57, a1 so eloquently wrote: I am utterly fed up with what Google did to Reader, (snip) Software: I really, really need an RSS reader that will remain reliable with Tiger. I use Google Reader to Synch NetNewsWire MP PB and avoid the changes Google made to Reader, I don't even know what changed since I'm not using it on a browser. I would suggest that route for you but I think you'll need 10.5 Leopard to run a version of NetNewsWire that supports Reader. Other RSS apps have talked about adding Reader synch but I don't know if any of them ever actually did. But it might be worth browsing macupdate.com to see the offerings. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
I’m using Apple Mail with gmail without problems since a long time already. I’m also using browser mail for gmail (in Camino, Firefox on a G4, and Ten4Fox on a G3 ibook) but I have set the account to basic html. Some time ago, there was some havoc with Google posting a message to upgrade my browser, and me being unable to go back to basic html as default, but that phase has passed. Maybe you’d be happier with an (older) intel Mac mini, instead of a G5? At least as a second station, for watching videos and stuff? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
Sent from my iPhone 4 On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:57 AM, a1 arichic...@gmail.com wrote: I use Panther and Tiger on my G4 and other macs, usually switching between Omniweb, Camino and sometimes Opera. I gave up on Firefox and 10.4 Fox simply because I dont want to do jumping jacks simply in order to watch youtube or facebook videos. I am utterly fed up with what Google did to Reader, and now, gchat within gmail and even opening gmail messages has gotten flaky, unreliable. I have always used webmail and browser apps but I have simply had enough. So, some questions, hardware and software. Hardware: I am either going to radically upgrade the G4 or buy one of the G5's I see flooding the market here. Am I really going to have great relief upgrading to Leopard on a G5 or is it only a matter of time before Google starts messing with the compatibility of browsers for Leopard, too? Between Firefox, Google and Apple sunsetting their products prematurely, simultaneously really, a PPC user seemingly has nowhere to turn. Incidentally, would an older IDE hard drive simply plug in and work in a G5 for migration purposes? Software: I really, really need an RSS reader that will remain reliable with Tiger. And, I really need an email program I can suck my gmail out of Google without bothering anymore with their webmail. I tried Thunderbird for a while but disliked the user interface, specifically an inability to make the text in panes larger. I have never gotten a version of Apple Mail to work with gmail. I have. It works pretty good actually, better than hotmail and apples mail I want to leave browsing to a minimum as at this juncture none of the browsers really are pleasant. My internet days go back to vax machines and Elm mail, running Usenet off a shell, and text-only telnet. All this modeming into an ISP using my color classic. I was much happier then! I have never been so annoyed at online experience as these days. Do people use Terminal for email or any way around the suffocation of the upgrade curve? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
I have never gotten a version of Apple Mail to work with gmail. What do you mean? I use Apple Mail to work with gMail and it works very good. What is it doing or not doing? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: I have never gotten a version of Apple Mail to work with gmail. What do you mean? I use Apple Mail to work with gMail and it works very good. What is it doing or not doing? Me as well; I've used Gmail with OS X since 10.2 with never an issue. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:57 PM, a1 wrote: Do people use Terminal for email or any way around the suffocation of the upgrade curve? pine works with OS X and any imap provider, which gmail is... http://www.washington.edu/pine/ as does it's successor alpine http://www.washington.edu/alpine/acquire/ There are OS X binaries of all UW products there, although you don't need to install pico, it's already present. I know lots of folks who like to use pine. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
Il giorno 16-11-2011 7:57, a1 ha scritto: Hardware: I am either going to radically upgrade the G4 or buy one of the G5's I see flooding the market here. Dollar-wise, I suggest you going to the G5. I did (from a G4 1.4GHz to a G5 2.7 DP), and I'm happy. Speed more than doubled. :-) Am I really going to have great relief upgrading to Leopard on a G5 Some people dislike Leopard, and still prefer Tiger. Do some research before upgrade. Besides, Leopard dropped Classic. or is it only a matter of time before Google starts messing with the compatibility of browsers for Leopard, too? Obviously, it is. ;-) Everything in the Universe is decaying... and computers are the fastest. Incidentally, would an older IDE hard drive simply plug in and work in a G5 for migration purposes? Nope. G5s use SATA drives, not IDE. Simpler way to migrate - IMHO - is thru Firewire Target disk mode, using Carbon Copy Cloner (or similar). And, I really need an email program I can suck my gmail out of Google without bothering anymore with their webmail. I'm still using Outlook Express 5.0.6 (thru Classic). Thinking about evolving, I tried several mail client, but liked none. Microsoft Entourage was the one I liked more, thou. My internet days go back to vax machines and Elm mail, running Usenet off a shell, and text-only telnet. [...] I was much happier then! ... maybe because you were young? ;-) I have never been so annoyed at online experience as these days. Jokes apart, I agree the constant evolution in online technologies and gizmos is mostly stressing. But I think it's just unavoidable. I presume our parents felt the same way, when we were young and liked rock'n'roll. :-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
Unnecessary tweaking of browsers is one of the more aggravating ways that online content providers have of making old computers obsolete. I'm running a Powermac G5 with 10.5.8 and really have no issues at this point, but keep in mind that the G5 line of towers logged an early reliability record which was rather poor for Apple computers. Not sure if that has improved with time, I'm happy with mine thus far. Why not just get rid of Google? On Nov 16, 1:57 am, a1 arichic...@gmail.com wrote: I use Panther and Tiger on my G4 and other macs, usually switching between Omniweb, Camino and sometimes Opera. I gave up on Firefox and 10.4 Fox simply because I dont want to do jumping jacks simply in order to watch youtube or facebook videos. I am utterly fed up with what Google did to Reader, and now, gchat within gmail and even opening gmail messages has gotten flaky, unreliable. I have always used webmail and browser apps but I have simply had enough. So, some questions, hardware and software. Hardware: I am either going to radically upgrade the G4 or buy one of the G5's I see flooding the market here. Am I really going to have great relief upgrading to Leopard on a G5 or is it only a matter of time before Google starts messing with the compatibility of browsers for Leopard, too? Between Firefox, Google and Apple sunsetting their products prematurely, simultaneously really, a PPC user seemingly has nowhere to turn. Incidentally, would an older IDE hard drive simply plug in and work in a G5 for migration purposes? Software: I really, really need an RSS reader that will remain reliable with Tiger. And, I really need an email program I can suck my gmail out of Google without bothering anymore with their webmail. I tried Thunderbird for a while but disliked the user interface, specifically an inability to make the text in panes larger. I have never gotten a version of Apple Mail to work with gmail. I want to leave browsing to a minimum as at this juncture none of the browsers really are pleasant. My internet days go back to vax machines and Elm mail, running Usenet off a shell, and text-only telnet. All this modeming into an ISP using my color classic. I was much happier then! I have never been so annoyed at online experience as these days. Do people use Terminal for email or any way around the suffocation of the upgrade curve? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
I use Panther and Tiger on my G4 and other macs, usually switching between Omniweb, Camino and sometimes Opera. I gave up on Firefox and 10.4 Fox simply because I dont want to do jumping jacks simply in order to watch youtube or facebook videos. I am utterly fed up with what Google did to Reader, and now, gchat within gmail and even opening gmail messages has gotten flaky, unreliable. I have always used webmail and browser apps but I have simply had enough. So, some questions, hardware and software. Hardware: I am either going to radically upgrade the G4 or buy one of the G5's I see flooding the market here. Am I really going to have great relief upgrading to Leopard on a G5 or is it only a matter of time before Google starts messing with the compatibility of browsers for Leopard, too? Between Firefox, Google and Apple sunsetting their products prematurely, simultaneously really, a PPC user seemingly has nowhere to turn. Incidentally, would an older IDE hard drive simply plug in and work in a G5 for migration purposes? Software: I really, really need an RSS reader that will remain reliable with Tiger. And, I really need an email program I can suck my gmail out of Google without bothering anymore with their webmail. I tried Thunderbird for a while but disliked the user interface, specifically an inability to make the text in panes larger. I have never gotten a version of Apple Mail to work with gmail. I want to leave browsing to a minimum as at this juncture none of the browsers really are pleasant. My internet days go back to vax machines and Elm mail, running Usenet off a shell, and text-only telnet. All this modeming into an ISP using my color classic. I was much happier then! I have never been so annoyed at online experience as these days. Do people use Terminal for email or any way around the suffocation of the upgrade curve? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger
On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:57 AM, a1 wrote: I really need an email program I can suck my gmail out of Google without bothering anymore with their webmail. Use OS X Mail.app. There are several tutorials for setting up Gmail on Mail.app: http://joelgreutman.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/how-to-make-mailapp-and-gmail-play-nicer-using-imap-and-gmail-demystified/ http://complexdiagrams.com/2009/01/imap-for-gmail-mailapp-iphone/ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/answers/how_to_setup_gmail_imap_and_mail.app1/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On 2011/11/13 20:24, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: do you have Perian installed? About Perian aims to provide a single package for all your playback needs. It is a collection of QuickTime components incorporating several libraries: • libavcodec, from the ffmpeg project, along with code from the old FFusion component: Yes I do, but I don't see any reason why it would work with Chromium and not OmniWeb. Or Safari. Or iCab. All four are WebKit. And yes, I have tested them to be sure. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On 2011/11/13 20:24, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: do you have Perian installed? About Perian aims to provide a single package for all your playback needs. It is a collection of QuickTime components incorporating several libraries: • libavcodec, from the ffmpeg project, along with code from the old FFusion component: Yes I do, but I don't see any reason why it would work with Chromium and not OmniWeb. Or Safari. Or iCab. All four are WebKit. And yes, I have tested them to be sure. Hopefully this will settle it once and for all. Type about:plugins in Chromium's address bar, hit enter, and you get this, among others: Flash - Version: 11.0.1.152 Shockwave Flash 11.0 r1 Name: Shockwave Flash Description:Shockwave Flash 11.0 r1 Version:11.0.1.152 Location: /Applications/3rdPartyApps/Internet/Browsers/Chromium.app/Contents/Versions/14.0.835.202/Chromium Framework.framework/Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player Plugin for Chrome.plugin And no, I did not do a custom install into Chromium, I'm running it as downloaded from MacUpdate.com I hope to gawd that the list members can accept this and move on, rather than insisting that I don't know what the fsck I'm talking about. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On 2011/11/09 15:43, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote: AFAIK Chromium should have always required a Flash Player plugin. The integrated Flash Player plugin is included in Google Chrome browser, but the open source progenitor Chromium never had Flash capability, and IF you were able to view Flash video using Chromium you MUST have had a Flash Player Plugin installed - the installation is normally globally available for all browsers. Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it installed and my other browsers won't play Flash content but Chromium does. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
Flash is hopefully on it's way out and will be replaced with html5. It is already happening on YouTube and other sites. On Nov 13, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Tina K. wrote: Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it installed and my other browsers won't play Flash content but Chromium does. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On 2011/11/13 17:03, David W. Morris so eloquently wrote: Flash is hopefully on it's way out and will be replaced with html5. It is already happening on YouTube and other sites. I was thrilled when I heard Adobe was going to drop mobile Flash, hopefully desktop Flash will follow. It's *usually* not an issue for me since I got my Mac Pro, but I still feel the pain from watching Flash on G4s. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Tina K. wrote: Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it installed and my other browsers won't play Flash content but Chromium does. I suspect you're misinterpreting streamed video? YouTube and many other video sites are in the process of conversion away from Flash and to HTML5. During this conversion, most video is available in both formats, and the specific format streamed to your computer is determined by the site dependent upon your browser. It's likely you're getting an HTML5 stream and thinking it's a Flash stream. The acid test is to download a Flash video with the .flv file type, and then try to open that file with a specific browser. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On 2011/11/13 18:19, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote: On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Tina K. wrote: Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it installed and my other browsers won't play Flash content but Chromium does. I suspect you're misinterpreting streamed video? YouTube and many other video sites are in the process of conversion away from Flash and to HTML5. During this conversion, most video is available in both formats, and the specific format streamed to your computer is determined by the site dependent upon your browser. It's likely you're getting an HTML5 stream and thinking it's a Flash stream. All I'm saying is that the YouTube page I first loaded in OmniWeb said that I needed to install Flash 10 or higher, when I loaded the page in Chromium it just played. FWIW Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
At 7:12 PM -0700 11/13/2011, Tina K. wrote: All I'm saying is that the YouTube page I first loaded in OmniWeb said that I needed to install Flash 10 or higher, when I loaded the page in Chromium it just played. FWIW Chromium is a (nightly/hourly) build of the basic open source project, based on WebKit. To that, to create Chrome, Google adds proprietary stuff, including an embedded (sometimes out of date) version of the Flash Player plug-in. IOW, Chromium should not be able to play Flash content until you've otherwise installed the Flash plug-in, in /Library/Internet Plug-ins/ or ~. Testing it with sites such as YouTube is not useful, as those sites sniff the browser's capabilities then give preference to coughing h.264 or WebM over the other formats. Try handing Chromium a flash file and see what happens. If it plays, then it's getting Flash from somewhere. Inspecting the Chromium process(es), via Activity Monitor or an lsof command, while it's playing should show you the details. This link should suffice as a demo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Handwriting%20Clock.swf - Dan. -- - Be Prepared! http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On 2011/11/13 20:07, Dan so eloquently wrote: This link should suffice as a demo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Handwriting%20Clock.swf Yes Chromium plays the file, no I do not have Flash Player installed - not in /Library/Internet Plug-Ins, not in ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins, or even in /System/Library. Activity Monitor shows the process Shockwave Flash (Chromium Plug-In Host). I quit Chromium, deleted DirectorShockwave.plugin, and opened Chromium again. It still played the handwriting clock file. Don't know what else to say. FWIW, IMHO YMMV, yada yada yada, blah blah blah. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On Nov 13, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2011/11/13 20:07, Dan so eloquently wrote: This link should suffice as a demo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Handwriting%20Clock.swf Yes Chromium plays the file, no I do not have Flash Player installed - not in /Library/Internet Plug-Ins, not in ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins, or even in /System/Library. Activity Monitor shows the process Shockwave Flash (Chromium Plug-In Host). I quit Chromium, deleted DirectorShockwave.plugin, and opened Chromium again. It still played the handwriting clock file. Don't know what else to say. FWIW, IMHO YMMV, yada yada yada, blah blah blah. do you have Perian installed? About Perian aims to provide a single package for all your playback needs. It is a collection of QuickTime components incorporating several libraries: • libavcodec, from the ffmpeg project, along with code from the old FFusion component: • MS-MPEG4 v1 v2 • DivX • 3ivx • H.264 • Flash Video • Flash Screen Video • On2 VP3, VP6, VP8 • H263I • HuffYUV and ffvhuff • Indeo 2, 3 5 • MPEG-1, 2 4 Video (in supported formats) • Fraps (up to v4) • Windows Media Audio v1 v2 • Flash ADPCM • Xiph Vorbis (in Matroska) • MPEG Layer I and II audio • DTS Coherent Acoustics audio • Snow wavelet video • DosBox video • Nellymoser ASAO audio • libavformat, from the ffmpeg project. along with AVIImporter.component: • AVI file format • FLV file format • NUV file format • libmatroska, along with matroska-qt.component: • MKV file format • Subtitles: • (Advanced) SubStation Alpha • SRT • SAMI • VobSub • liba52, via A52Codec: • AC3 audio -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's it - no parts of the page load that I can see. So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not. Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing? I should add that Safari works as well. I tested against a new, untouched account and had the same issue, as did my backup disk. Reinstalling SL fixed the issue, which is strange because it seems to have left everything intact - BOINC, LittleSnitch, etc... But it is good to know that a reinstall of SL is painless, unlike earlier versions of OS X. Tina -- Acceleron - HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr - iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm - PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia - Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Tina K. wrote: Sorry, I misspoke. I was using Chrome, and when it stopped loading YouTube at about v14 I switched to Chromium with no relief. I only have one instance of Flash Player installed, and it is the latest non-beta version 11.0.1.52. What I can't figure out is why Safari, SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube.com and Opera, Camino, and the newly re-installed Google Chrome will not. Google Chrome hangs with Waiting for ad-g.doubleclick.net... in the status bar and then the Page(s) Unresponsive window pops up. It COULD be that Youtube is changing things on the back end, based on your browser's ID string. Turn on Safari's Developer menu and change your User Agent string and see what happens. A larger point is: you have browsers that work, why are you worrying over the ones that won't? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On 2011/11/10 09:02, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Tina K. wrote: Sorry, I misspoke. I was using Chrome, and when it stopped loading YouTube at about v14 I switched to Chromium with no relief. I only have one instance of Flash Player installed, and it is the latest non-beta version 11.0.1.52. What I can't figure out is why Safari, SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube.com and Opera, Camino, and the newly re-installed Google Chrome will not. Google Chrome hangs with Waiting for ad-g.doubleclick.net... in the status bar and then the Page(s) Unresponsive window pops up. It COULD be that Youtube is changing things on the back end, based on your browser's ID string. Turn on Safari's Developer menu and change your User Agent string and see what happens. I tried Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Camino User Agent strings in Safari and they all loaded youtube.com fine. A larger point is: you have browsers that work, why are you worrying over the ones that won't? Simply because I liked not having Flash in all of my browsers, that was the only reason I started using Chrome in the first place. Any page with Flash that I want to see I drag the url to ShoveBox for later viewing and I avoid Flash issues with my primary browser. I am familiar with ClickToFlash but it just seemed better to keep Flash in just the one browser. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Tina K. wrote: A larger point is: you have browsers that work, why are you worrying over the ones that won't? Simply because I liked not having Flash in all of my browsers, that was the only reason I started using Chrome in the first place. Any page with Flash that I want to see I drag the url to ShoveBox for later viewing and I avoid Flash issues with my primary browser. I am familiar with ClickToFlash but it just seemed better to keep Flash in just the one browser. Ugg! That's the thing that drew me to ClickToFlash in the first place...it's the Web, not the Safari Web and the Firefox Web and the Chrome Web and the %%@$#^ Internet %%!@$#$% Explorer Web...as much as it tries to be all those things sometimes... I'd much rather use one program for that task. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's it - no parts of the page load that I can see. So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not. Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing? Tina -- HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's it - no parts of the page load that I can see. So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not. Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing? I should add that Safari works as well. Tina -- HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On Nov 9, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Tina K. wrote: So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not. Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing? Safari is missing from that list, which will preferentially load HTML5 content if it exists... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Tina K. wrote: This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's it - no parts of the page load that I can see. AFAIK Chromium should have always required a Flash Player plugin. The integrated Flash Player plugin is included in Google Chrome browser, but the open source progenitor Chromium never had Flash capability, and IF you were able to view Flash video using Chromium you MUST have had a Flash Player Plugin installed - the installation is normally globally available for all browsers. So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not. Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing? There are so many different places that Flash Player plugins can be installed, and it's possible you have several different versions installed that might conflict? Adobe says Flash Player Uninstaller is a helpful way to troubleshoot, so I'd recommend using the uninstaller and then reinstall the latest version. Here's a link: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/909/cpsid_90906.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
At 1:50 PM -0700 2/23/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Tina K. wrote: Today I'm trying Safari and it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit? yes it is..some versions are better than others, but Safari luuurves it's RAM. There are some ways to (sortof) limit WebKit's annoying hogging, beyond relaunching now and then. Use ClickToFlash to hold Flash down to a dull roar - 10.0 and 10.1 have some serious memory leaks. Donno about 10.2 yet. Use an ad blocker to hold other crap at bay. Turn off the Top Sites in the bookmarks window then reset/clear them. That feature runs a thread that generates all those preview images. Not only sucks up hd cache space but it makes Safari's vm grow by quite a bit. Watch and perhaps turn off Warn when visiting a fraudulent site. That feature verifies every frakking url you visit against google's hashed database. I've seen it cause quite a bit of cpu and memory usage on big / busy pages. Not like we need protecting against windows malware-infected sites anyway. Clear your website icons and cookies. Smaller databases = less memory footprint. Shrink your Bookmarks Menu. Use folders. Safari holds that whole thing in memory, just to keep that particular menu responsive. And finally, remember that OS X's memory manager is fairly passive. It lets processes have and hold memory until someone else needs it. So you can beat Safari into submission Just run something that steals all the memory. I find that opening two dozen big jpgs with GraphicConverter does just the trick! It forces Safari to outpage quickly, then not page that stuff back in until actually needed - perhaps hours later! lol FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
On 2011/02/25 08:11, Dan so eloquently wrote: At 1:50 PM -0700 2/23/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Tina K. wrote: Today I'm trying Safari and it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit? yes it is..some versions are better than others, but Safari luuurves it's RAM. There are some ways to (sortof) limit WebKit's annoying hogging, beyond relaunching now and then. Use ClickToFlash to hold Flash down to a dull roar - 10.0 and 10.1 have some serious memory leaks. Donno about 10.2 yet. Use an ad blocker to hold other crap at bay. Got those two. :-) Turn off the Top Sites in the bookmarks window then reset/clear them. That feature runs a thread that generates all those preview images. Not only sucks up hd cache space but it makes Safari's vm grow by quite a bit. Watch and perhaps turn off Warn when visiting a fraudulent site. That feature verifies every frakking url you visit against google's hashed database. I've seen it cause quite a bit of cpu and memory usage on big / busy pages. Not like we need protecting against windows malware-infected sites anyway. Clear your website icons and cookies. Smaller databases = less memory footprint. Shrink your Bookmarks Menu. Use folders. Safari holds that whole thing in memory, just to keep that particular menu responsive. Fantastic suggestions Dan, they hadn't even occurred to me. And finally, remember that OS X's memory manager is fairly passive. It lets processes have and hold memory until someone else needs it. So you can beat Safari into submission Just run something that steals all the memory. I find that opening two dozen big jpgs with GraphicConverter does just the trick! It forces Safari to outpage quickly, then not page that stuff back in until actually needed - perhaps hours later! lol Great trick to know, thank you! On the subject of browsers, is there any logical reason that Firefox doesn't have kb shortcuts to switch between tabs? Even KeyCue doesn't show any. Every once-in-a-while I try Firefox again and I quickly remember why I don't use it. Why would it be missing such a basic feature? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
On 2011/02/23 21:41, Richard Gerome so eloquently wrote: Have you tried Flock ? It works pretty good on my G3 466 Clamshell with 576mb and a 7200rpm HD!!! It really works great on my Tibook A1025 too!!! It runs faster then Camino did... Being a WebKit browser Flock will use just as much RAM as OmniWeb or Safari. Thanks for the suggestion though! Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
On 2011/02/23 15:12, Dan Palka so eloquently wrote: No sense worrying one's self over a few MB when it really isn't going to make that much of a difference. Thank you Dan, but in this case the difference between the memory usage of WebKit and Gecko is enough to force my system to write a lot more page outs to the hard drive because I don't (yet) have enough RAM. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Browsers
Recently I tried using Camino as my primary browser and found it to be excruciatingly slow, pages that other browsers load in seconds take about a minute (or more) to load in Camino. Has anyone else noticed this? The reason I tried using Camino is because I'm a little low on RAM and OmniWeb uses over 1GB by the end of the day. Today I'm trying Safari and it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
On Feb 23, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Tina K. wrote: Recently I tried using Camino as my primary browser and found it to be excruciatingly slow, pages that other browsers load in seconds take about a minute (or more) to load in Camino. Has anyone else noticed this? The reason I tried using Camino is because I'm a little low on RAM and OmniWeb uses over 1GB by the end of the day. Today I'm trying Safari and it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit? yes it is..some versions are better than others, but Safari luuurves it's RAM. Right now it's using 440MB real, 550 virtual on my system with one really plain-jane html page open (pure text, just a table full of links and a form). (I'm using Safari 5.0.3 on 10.6). I quit safari and opened just that page, and it's using 64megs real and 240 virtual. Best to just get more RAM, if you can. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
Try tenfourfox and see if that helps. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2011, at 15:50, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Tina K. wrote: Recently I tried using Camino as my primary browser and found it to be excruciatingly slow, pages that other browsers load in seconds take about a minute (or more) to load in Camino. Has anyone else noticed this? The reason I tried using Camino is because I'm a little low on RAM and OmniWeb uses over 1GB by the end of the day. Today I'm trying Safari and it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit? yes it is..some versions are better than others, but Safari luuurves it's RAM. Right now it's using 440MB real, 550 virtual on my system with one really plain-jane html page open (pure text, just a table full of links and a form). (I'm using Safari 5.0.3 on 10.6). I quit safari and opened just that page, and it's using 64megs real and 240 virtual. Best to just get more RAM, if you can. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
Are you using any themes and plugin on camino? flash heavy web browsing? Camino might be hanging onto requested memory. On 23 Feb 2011, at 20:27, Tina K. wrote: Recently I tried using Camino as my primary browser and found it to be excruciatingly slow, pages that other browsers load in seconds take about a minute (or more) to load in Camino. Has anyone else noticed this? The reason I tried using Camino is because I'm a little low on RAM and OmniWeb uses over 1GB by the end of the day. Today I'm trying Safari and it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
On 2011/02/23 13:50, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:
{snip} Safari luuurves
it's RAM.
Best to just get more RAM, if you can.
Indeed, I'm saving for it already. Just trying to get by w/o thrashing
the HDD in the meantime, though it is backed up and under warranty! :-)
Tina
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Re: Browsers
On 2011/02/23 14:27, elbert boone so eloquently wrote: Try tenfourfox and see if that helps. Sorry, I should have mentioned this is on my Xeon MP. I don't think it's UB, or SL compatible, but I could be wrong. I did put some recent new acquaintances (and recent Mac converts) on TenFourFox for their PowerBooks and they are quite happy with it! Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
On 2011/02/23 14:27, elbert boone so eloquently wrote: Try tenfourfox and see if that helps. I should add that Namoroka and Minefield load pages in a timely manner, it seems to be isolated to Camino (2.0.6). Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Browsers
Hey Tina, Have you tried Flock ? It works pretty good on my G3 466 Clamshell with 576mb and a 7200rpm HD!!! It really works great on my Tibook A1025 too!!! It runs faster then Camino did... -Original Message- From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 23, 2011 3:27 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Browsers Recently I tried using Camino as my primary browser and found it to be excruciatingly slow, pages that other browsers load in seconds take about a minute (or more) to load in Camino. Has anyone else noticed this? The reason I tried using Camino is because I'm a little low on RAM and OmniWeb uses over 1GB by the end of the day. Today I'm trying Safari and it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... “Choose love and peace above all other options. Commit to the goal of unconditional love and compassion for all life, in all its expressions, and surrender all judgment to God. --- Dr. David R. Hawkins -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
