Re: G4 or G5?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > > My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts
> > > and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,
> > > however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. The G5's with the fans
> > > running most of the time suck up a lot of juice.
> >
> > here's a dumb question--how are you measuring power consumption?
> 
> Google "kill a watt" for links to some low cost ($20 - $25) electricity
> usage monitors.

I was surprised by John's figures. I haven't tested my MDD (though it has a
Sonnet 1.8GHz board, so it is not standard), but my quad G5 uses about 170W
at idle (two drives, one optical, 7800GT) in Reduced power mode, and 220W in
Highest at idle. When under load, it can get to 300-350W (such as when it's
compiling TenFourFox).

This is still not a small power draw, but it's not a ridiculous amount.

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Re: G4 or G5?

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:25 AM, faithie999 wrote:

> here's a dumb question--how are you measuring power consumption?
> 
> thanks
> 
> ken
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts
>> and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,
>> however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. The G5's with the fans
>> running most of the time suck up a lot of juice.

This is a plug in unit that will tell you the exact amount of power is used on 
anything you plug into it.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/7657/


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Re: G4 or G5?

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 10-01-2012 8:36, arichic...@gmail.com ha scritto:

> 1. I have had chances to grab various G5's for between $100 and $150.
I think it's a very good investment.
I'm using a G5 DP 2.7 right now, and it's a very fine machine (much more
responsive than the G4 1.4 GHz I was using before).

A G5 would be an investment it could last you several more years.
A G4, OTOH, could last you less, depending on your needs - a G4 would be
fine for mail, browsing and basic stuff, though.

> 2. I've tried to locate a processor upgrade for this DA.
Did you look on eBay? And on the LEMSwap List?
I think there are some used CPU upgrades around.

> I really can't see paying more than $25 for an upgrade
My 1.4 GHz CPU upgrade in my G4 made it last for 6 years; it was well worth
the price.

> maybe someone could point me to a really
> great, easy to install upgrade card. How hard is it to just swap the
> motherboard out with a latter G4.
I don't think you can easily swap the motherboard... and I don't see the
point. Better go with another Mac, then (you could always put inside your
old drive, so you don't have to move all the apps and data).

A CPU upgrade would be very easy to install. Just be sure it's ok for your
Mac model.

> 4. My s/o has a macbook pro with an Intel Tiger install disk. Could
> this be used to install on a hacintosh, like 10.6? Should I just give
> upgrading the G4 and go hacintosh or Ubuntu on some pc?
If you're quite geeky and you like tinkering, Hackintosh might be a good
cheap way.

Ubuntu/Linux... 
I don't know, after having been used to the Mac, I won't switch. :-)

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Re: G4 or G5?

[JohnV]

For the more ambitious...
  http://www.killawattplus.com/?gclid=COuwk6aLyK0CFUQRNAodTQQShA



On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Dale Hoffman wrote:

Google "kill a watt" for links to some low cost ($20 - $25)  
electricity usage monitors.


They are fun to use, I've tracked every appliance in the house and  
discovered that I could have paid for a new refrigerator in power  
savings if I had bought one 5 years earlier!


Dale


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Re: G4 or G5?

[Dale Hoffman]

Google "kill a watt" for links to some low cost ($20 - $25) electricity usage 
monitors.

They are fun to use, I've tracked every appliance in the house and discovered 
that I could have paid for a new refrigerator in power savings if I had bought 
one 5 years earlier!

Dale


On Jan 11, 2012, at 6:25 AM, faithie999 wrote:

> here's a dumb question--how are you measuring power consumption?
> 
> thanks
> 
> ken
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 10:19 am, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:36 PM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 1. I have had chances to grab various G5's for between $100 and $150.
>>> I have been hesitant because I have ehard they use so much power. Do
>>> they really use that much more power than a G4? How much more? My
>> 
>> My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts
>> and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,
>> however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. The G5's with the fans
>> running most of the time suck up a lot of juice.
>> 
>> John Carmonne
>> Yorba Linda CA  92886
>>  From iMac Core Duo 2.0
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Re: G4 or G5?

[faithie999]

here's a dumb question--how are you measuring power consumption?

thanks

ken



On Jan 10, 10:19 am, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:36 PM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > 1. I have had chances to grab various G5's for between $100 and $150.
> > I have been hesitant because I have ehard they use so much power. Do
> > they really use that much more power than a G4? How much more? My
>
> My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts
> and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,
> however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. The G5's with the fans
> running most of the time suck up a lot of juice.
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda CA  92886
>  From iMac Core Duo 2.0

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Re: G4 or G5?

[Tina K.]

On 2012/01/10 13:36, John Carmonne so eloquently wrote:

On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:40 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:


>
>  What's going on in that Mac, John?
>

Dual 1.25 4 HDD's, 2 optical's burning at the same time.:-) and other stuff.


Now that's a PPC Mac being put to good use, it's nice to see one being so well 
utilized.


OP when my G5 DP died and Apple gave me this MP I did a comparison - the MP does 
twice the work at half the juice of my G5 DP. I know people that run BOINC on 
their G5s but they have to shut them down in the summer, they just put out too 
much heat. And that heat is wasted electricity. The G5 architecture never got 
small enough to be energy efficient.



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Re: G4 or G5?

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:40 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:

> 295, wow.
> Mine shows 180 peak, and there are 4 drives in it. What's going on in
> that Mac, John?
> 

Dual 1.25 4 HDD's, 2 optical's burning at the same time.:-) and other stuff.




> I have the Pro, too, Quad 2.66 mid-10 model. Not taken its wattage
> yet, I'll let you know what I see.

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Re: G4 or G5?

[JoeTaxpayer]

295, wow.
Mine shows 180 peak, and there are 4 drives in it. What's going on in
that Mac, John?

I have the Pro, too, Quad 2.66 mid-10 model. Not taken its wattage
yet, I'll let you know what I see.

On Jan 10, 10:19 am, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:36 PM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote:

> My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts
> and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,
> however the G5's are much faster then the G4's.

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Re: G4 or G5?

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:36 PM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote:


1. I have had chances to grab various G5's for between $100 and $150.
I have been hesitant because I have ehard they use so much power. Do
they really use that much more power than a G4? How much more? My


My G4 MDD 1.25 was 295 watts. My  PPC G5 dual 2.7 averages 410 watts  
and my Mac Pro is 98 watts both doing the same work most of the time,  
however the G5's are much faster then the G4's. The G5's with the fans  
running most of the time suck up a lot of juice.



John Carmonne
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From iMac Core Duo 2.0







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Re: G4 or G5?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:36 AM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote:

> 3. For software I am stuck in Panther, unless and until I can get my
> Tiger hard drive inside there, which is stuck inside the dead G4
> imac.. By the way, I can figure out how to install another hard drive
> on the same ribbon, but supposedly one can install more than 2 hard
> drives---but where are the other ribbons and cables supposed to be? I
> see I can upgrade quicktime to 7.5, but, wasn't there some reason to
> stick with 6 instead?

There is a connector on the logic board right next to where the current HDD 
cable is that will allow you to attach another two hard drives; it takes a 
standard 80-pin ATA ribbon cable, available online or at just about any 
computer store..heck if you can find one of the newfangled 'edging back to our 
roots' Radio Shack, they probably have one.

This KB article takes you through the process:



Note: you can install four drives, if you find another U bracket to replace the 
flat one for the front drive mounting point.


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Re: G4 or G5?

[Ashgrove]

On Jan 10, 2:36 am, "arichic...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> After several sudden mac failures, all around the time of the demise
> of Steve Jobs, I have been trying to get by the past few months on a
> G4 466, entirely stock, original 30gig hard drive with only Panther on
> it, no dvd drive to even install Tiger. i have sort of collected
> numerous questions to strategize on how to maximize this current
> situation, which I will now present:

1. Having no firsthand experience with G5s, I cannot comment on their
power consumption. For under $20, though, you could get a DVD drive to
install Tiger on your current computer (make sure it's bootable).

With Tiger, you have a PPC-optimized browser: TenFourFox, developed by
a team headed by fellow LEM groups member Cameron Kaiser. Were you
running OS 9, you could be using Classilla, made by the same talented
people. Panther is unfortunately a bit of a nowhere land as far as
browsers are concerned.

2. No, an MDD processor would not work. Check Everymac.com for a list
of compatible CPU upgrades. Maxing out the RAM would actually help
more, IMHO, and it'd be a lot cheaper. Spending hundreds of dollars at
this point upgrading PPC hardware is not a good idea.

3. Check the logic board. A more practical solution would be to use
external HDDs, though.

4. While feasible, hackintoshing takes a lot of patience and know-how,
and endless tinkering.

Same with most Linux distros. The only distro I know that works out of
the "box" with minimal aggravation is Linux Mint (which also has a PPC
offshoot, check it out). And by the way, Windows XP and Windows 7 work
well, too, especially when properly tweaked.

HTH,

Felix

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G4 or G5?

[arichic...@gmail.com]

After several sudden mac failures, all around the time of the demise
of Steve Jobs, I have been trying to get by the past few months on a
G4 466, entirely stock, original 30gig hard drive with only Panther on
it, no dvd drive to even install Tiger. i have sort of collected
numerous questions to strategize on how to maximize this current
situation, which I will now present:

1. I have had chances to grab various G5's for between $100 and $150.
I have been hesitant because I have ehard they use so much power. Do
they really use that much more power than a G4? How much more? My
other hesitation, and my biggest overall frustration is once again the
OS/browser limitations for PPC. At this point, I am using Opera 10.10
with javascript always off just to be able to get decent surfing
speeds. I like Opera because of the ability to toggle the fit to width
of webpages on my Apple Studio Display. It is such a nice monitor, I
do not want to really upgrade to a mac that won;t be able to use it
without an espensive adapter. Would a G5 running Tiger really be worth
the investment and supposed energy cost? I would not want to pay an
extra $250 a year, over the G4 power price.

2. I've tried to locate a processor upgrade for this DA. Would a
processor out of a MDD work? I really can't see paying more than $25
for an upgrade, though, maybe someone could point me to a really
great, easy to install upgrade card. How hard is it to just swap the
motherboard out with a latter G4. like a MDD? By the way, what exactly
does the Digital Audio do in this machine that isnt done in other
G4's? I am running my old Apple Pro speakers from my dead iMac and the
sound is just the same.

3. For software I am stuck in Panther, unless and until I can get my
Tiger hard drive inside there, which is stuck inside the dead G4
imac.. By the way, I can figure out how to install another hard drive
on the same ribbon, but supposedly one can install more than 2 hard
drives---but where are the other ribbons and cables supposed to be? I
see I can upgrade quicktime to 7.5, but, wasn't there some reason to
stick with 6 instead?

4. My s/o has a macbook pro with an Intel Tiger install disk. Could
this be used to install on a hacintosh, like 10.6? Should I just give
upgrading the G4 and go hacintosh or Ubuntu on some pc? I could
probably find a useable donor pc laptop for the $150 a G5 would cost
me.

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Re: Tiger won't ichat on G4 or G5 PPC's?

[John Markowitz]

> iChat works just fine on my system (Tiger, fully updated).  It and
> Adium even talk at each other.
>
> You gots a hole in your firewall enabled for iChat Bonjour?
>
> You gots separate AIM or .Mac accounts for each login session?
>
> Have you tried trashing prefs and such?
I have found that Tiger and iChat only work on G speed routers or a
direct connection to the modem the Apple Airport Base Stations with G/
N speeds do work however I believe the Tiger iChat picks the G side of
that device. The Leopard iChat works on all routers that I've had.

John M
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Re: Tiger won't ichat on G4 or G5 PPC's?

[Clark Martin]

On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:55 AM, John Markowitz wrote:

> 
> 
>> iChat works just fine on my system (Tiger, fully updated).  It and
>> Adium even talk at each other.
>> 
>> You gots a hole in your firewall enabled for iChat Bonjour?
>> 
>> You gots separate AIM or .Mac accounts for each login session?
>> 
>> Have you tried trashing prefs and such?
> I have found that Tiger and iChat only work on G speed routers or a
> direct connection to the modem the Apple Airport Base Stations with G/
> N speeds do work however I believe the Tiger iChat picks the G side of
> that device. The Leopard iChat works on all routers that I've had.
> 

iChat has no control over the router or wireless protocol that is used.  The OS 
and the Airport software is what determines that.

Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"

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Re: Tiger won't ichat on G4 or G5 PPC's?

[John Markowitz]

> iChat works just fine on my system (Tiger, fully updated).  It and
> Adium even talk at each other.
>
> You gots a hole in your firewall enabled for iChat Bonjour?
>
> You gots separate AIM or .Mac accounts for each login session?
>
> Have you tried trashing prefs and such?
I have found that Tiger and iChat only work on G speed routers or a
direct connection to the modem the Apple Airport Base Stations with G/
N speeds do work however I believe the Tiger iChat picks the G side of
that device. The Leopard iChat works on all routers that I've had.

John M
Placentia CA

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Re: Tiger won't ichat on G4 or G5 PPC's?

[Dan]

At 12:53 PM -0700 9/23/2010, John C wrote:

I can't get any of my machines to run iChat on Tiger, They all work
just fine on 10.5.8 and 10.6.4 but no cigar on 10.4.11, The machines
that I'm trying the Tiger on are PM G5 Dual 2.7 and a G4 Cube 1.2.
Both machines run iChat on Leopard 10.5.8, I'm using an iSight and a
iMage USB camera. The machines run Skype with no trouble. Anyone have
an idea here? As soon as I try to start I get a dialog thet says lost
connection with host.


iChat works just fine on my system (Tiger, fully updated).  It and 
Adium even talk at each other.


You gots a hole in your firewall enabled for iChat Bonjour?

You gots separate AIM or .Mac accounts for each login session?

Have you tried trashing prefs and such?

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Tiger won't ichat on G4 or G5 PPC's?

[John C]

Hi All
I can't get any of my machines to run iChat on Tiger, They all work
just fine on 10.5.8 and 10.6.4 but no cigar on 10.4.11, The machines
that I'm trying the Tiger on are PM G5 Dual 2.7 and a G4 Cube 1.2.
Both machines run iChat on Leopard 10.5.8, I'm using an iSight and a
iMage USB camera. The machines run Skype with no trouble. Anyone have
an idea here? As soon as I try to start I get a dialog thet says lost
connection with host.

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