Re: Sawtooth replacement
Hmmm, I do like the idea of using two HD's as you've described. I am tempted to just go for an early G5 tower. However (embarrassed lowering of head) I am so far not behind the 8ball I do not even know about Dual processors. For instance, is a 'Dual 1.0 GHz' made of two 1.0 GHz processors side by side - giving it 4 times the speed, 4 times the amperage draw, and 4 times the noise of my old 500 Sawtooth? A whole different tack, and do forgive my ignorance again, could possibly be a laptop ? - can a laptop power my 18" Trinitron Screen? (I recently got my wife a little beauty 1.42 GHz IBook for $200 that included a 320 Gb HD and handles You Tube video OK) Thanks again, Del > - MDDs > - They are nicknamed "windtunnel", meaning that they are rather noisy. > Alternatively, I have a dual 2.0GHz early 2005 G5 with two HDs in it, one with > 10.5.8 for everyday use, and one with 10.4.11 for using Classic. > > Trouble-free in the 2yrs+ I've had it. > > Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
From: Geke To: G-Group Sent: Monday, 16 August, 2010 12:40:33 Subject: Re: Sawtooth replacement I do think a MDD will last you at least two years, but you’re the only one who can decide... Here a few thoughts: - MDDs support harddisks larger than 128GB (without extra hard- or software). - They are nicknamed "windtunnel", meaning that they are rather noisy. An MDD also leaves you some cash for upgrades: - MDDs have only USB 1.1, so you may want to add a USB2 PCI card. (Or use FireWire, for free.) Alternatively, I have a dual 2.0GHz early 2005 G5 with two HDs in it, one with 10.5.8 for everyday use, and one with 10.4.11 for using Classic. Trouble-free in the 2yrs+ I've had it. Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
I do think a MDD will last you at least two years, but you’re the only one who can decide... Here a few thoughts: - MDDs support harddisks larger than 128GB (without extra hard- or software). - They are nicknamed "windtunnel", meaning that they are rather noisy. An MDD also leaves you some cash for upgrades: - MDDs have only USB 1.1, so you may want to add a USB2 PCI card. (Or use FireWire, for free.) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
I think you should get a Dual MDD PowerMac. It can do everything you need, and more. I have a Dual 1GHZ MDD that I'm selling for way under your price range. E-mail me off list if you are interested. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:29 PM, MnDel wrote: > I had never considered a dual core because one friend said they can be > real energy hogs and another said the noise factor is much higher than > I am used to with Sawtooth. Comments? > They *are* energy hogs, and produce enough heat to significantly contribute to global warming. My dual G5 made my small home office unbearable in the summer, so I had to move it to the living room.Noise hasn't been a big problem, unless I do something that stresses the system out, e.g., processing video. > > If the G5's are generally less reliable than late model G4's any > reasons for my needs to go up as far as G5? > I think the reliability issue the previous poster is referring to is due to reports of coolant leaks from the faster G5's. IIRC, any G5 rated at 2.3GHz or lower does not use liquid cooling, and therefore immune to leakage problems. > > I am quite not sure how to use this infois an AGP bus and DDR only > memory a plus or minus in my situation? > Personally, I'd go for an AGP system. Finding AGP cards for PowerPC Macs seems to be easier than PCI Express cards, at least from a casual survey of eBay. Most of the PCI Express cards I see are for Mac Pros (Intel version of the PowerMac.) > > I would like this upgrade to last me awhile, so I wonder if 2 years > from now I will kick myself for not going with a G5 or Intel simply > because things like YouTube will speed up again and make even a late > model G4 unusable.it's a quandry. > Thanks for any comments! Del > Been a while since I tried to play Youtube on my G5, but IIRC it handled Youtube video just fine, at least at lower resolutions. I have an older Linux PC that can't play video off Youtube, so I just use a Firefox plugin to grab the video and then play the file manually on the PC. I'm pretty confident a similar solution would work for you on a G4. A G4 will be a cheaper solution. However, G5's are faster than G4s, so if you're doing anything processor intensive, I'd steer you towards one of the G5's that is not liquid cooled. If you do decide to go with a G4 I'd definitely recommend a dual processor model 1GHz or faster. I can't speak to how well a G4 would handle Youtube, though. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
> You cannot, since you need Classic. That is, if you want to be able to > natively boot Mac OS 9.x you need a G4 that is not as new as a FW800 model. > If, on the other hand, you only require Classic from Mac OS 10.x up to 10.4, > you can also go for a G5. They are beautiful towers, great design from the > inside and from the outside, only they seem to be less reliable than the G4s. Thanks for the 2 replies so far, now a bit of clarification - I never need to boot into OS9, I only need it to run old Pagemill for our large home-business website ( I still can't imagine the job translating over every page with another newer app). So it sounds like perhaps a G5 could work also. > > The most modern one is the “Late 2005” G5 series with one Dual-Core 2.0 GHz, > one Dual-Core 2.3 GHz or the top of the line two Dual-Core 2.5 GHz “Quad”. I'd > suggest staying away from liquid cooled G5s though, so the DC2.3 would be > highest I'd go for a G5 with modern the PCIe bus for expansion cards and > faster DDR2 memory. > I had never considered a dual core because one friend said they can be real energy hogs and another said the noise factor is much higher than I am used to with Sawtooth. Comments? If the G5's are generally less reliable than late model G4's any reasons for my needs to go up as far as G5? > Note: G5s up to the “Early 2005” use the “classic” AGP and PCI/PCI-X bus for > graphics card and expansion cards and feature “only” DDR memory like the late > G4s do. But watch out, there are also liquid cooled models among them. I am quite not sure how to use this infois an AGP bus and DDR only memory a plus or minus in my situation? I would like this upgrade to last me awhile, so I wonder if 2 years from now I will kick myself for not going with a G5 or Intel simply because things like YouTube will speed up again and make even a late model G4 unusable.it's a quandry. Thanks for any comments! Del -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
this is ending, but something similar for you. A great performance for the price. On Aug 15, 10:31 am, John Carmonne wrote: > On Aug 15, 2010, at 6:22 AM, D Stubbs wrote: > > > I reckon its time to move on from my faithful old tower, but being a > > nongeek I really could use an opinion or two on what to move up to - my two > > main reasons to go to a later model is that YouTube videos are rarely > > functional, and the 128 max on internal HD is a bit confining. Otherwise it > > handles all the work I throw at it fine. > > My parameters: > > Keeping Classic for 2 old apps I run would be important. > > HD capacity over 300G > > Ideally under $350. > > Better video ability > > > Otherwise I don't even know if I need to leave the G4 family. > > Thanks for any suggestions! Del > > > > G4 AGP > > 500 MHz > > 1.25 RAM > > 10.4.11 > > ATY,Rage128Pro > > You say Classic apps you need to run . If you need to boot Classic OS9.2.2 > then a G4 MDD dual 1.25 FW 400 is the latest and very greatest machine you > can get and probably way less than $500.00. If you have Classic apps that > will run in classic under Tiger than you can go up to G5 PM but that's the > end all do all point:-) > > John Carmonne > Yorba Linda USA > Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
-- Original message -- Subject: Sawtooth replacement Date:Sonntag 15 August 2010N From:D Stubbs To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > I reckon its time to move on from my faithful old tower, but being a > nongeek I really could use an opinion or two on what to move up to - my > two main reasons to go to a later model is that YouTube videos are rarely > functional, and the 128 max on internal HD is a bit confining. Otherwise > it handles all the work I throw at it fine. Maybe you just need a better graphics card. But I also suspect the CPU is way too slow. > My parameters: > Keeping Classic for 2 old apps I run would be important. > HD capacity over 300G > Ideally under $350. > Better video ability > > Otherwise I don't even know if I need to leave the G4 family. > Thanks for any suggestions! Del You cannot, since you need Classic. That is, if you want to be able to natively boot Mac OS 9.x you need a G4 that is not as new as a FW800 model. Also, models after the Quicksilver (original, 2001) need a special Mac OS 9 version to work, so I'd use a QS as the newest option. If, on the other hand, you only require Classic from Mac OS 10.x up to 10.4, you can also go for a G5. They are beautiful towers, great design from the inside and from the outside, only they seem to be less reliable than the G4s. The most modern one is the “Late 2005” G5 series with one Dual-Core 2.0 GHz, one Dual-Core 2.3 GHz or the top of the line two Dual-Core 2.5 GHz “Quad”. I'd suggest staying away from liquid cooled G5s though, so the DC2.3 would be highest I'd go for a G5 with modern the PCIe bus for expansion cards and faster DDR2 memory. Note: G5s up to the “Early 2005” use the “classic” AGP and PCI/PCI-X bus for graphics card and expansion cards and feature “only” DDR memory like the late G4s do. But watch out, there are also liquid cooled models among them. > G4 AGP > 500 MHz > 1.25 RAM > 10.4.11 > ATY,Rage128Pro That's nice. Among others, I have a G4 APG 400 MHz --> Dual-450 MHz 786 MB RAM 9.0.4, 9.2.2, 10.2.8, 10.3.9, 10.4.11, 10.5.8, Gentoo Linux ATY,Rage128Pro --> NVDA,GeForce3 Ti200 (PC-Version, flashed) You see, I upgraded it a little, and I can say that with the nVidia GeForce 3 graphics card Leopard works very well on my old G4. The Dual-450 MHz CPU is very much pushed to the limit though, so I'd say that this system is really used heavily for even simple tasks. But that's what it was build for, right? I use it only for surfing a little and mostly for watching DivX encoded videos in standard DVD resolution. That works very well, but it definitely cannot handle high-definition stuff. And yes, it is using almost 100% of it's CPU capacity to decode even the standard resolution videos, but then it does this without framedrops or flicker. So it is well suited for my needs. For you still wanting Classic support, one other solution comes to my mind: You could still walk on and get yourself a cheap new or used Intel-based Mac and then use SheepShaver as a software solution to run your Classic Mac OS inside the emulation. I did this with Mac OS 7.5 and 9.0.4 and it works, depending on what peripherial stuff you need. Normal applications run fine, but if you need a driver that runs a scanner in SCSI mode or so, I doupt that SheepShaver can do that. Since SheepShaver also works on PowerPC-based Macs, you can try this sollution before you decide anything. Given the huge performance increase of recent Intel Macs, you can safely go for a low-end model and still have very much inprovement in speed compared to your G4. BTW, I don't have an Intel Mac. Only used G3, G4s and G5. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth replacement
On Aug 15, 2010, at 6:22 AM, D Stubbs wrote: > I reckon its time to move on from my faithful old tower, but being a nongeek > I really could use an opinion or two on what to move up to - my two main > reasons to go to a later model is that YouTube videos are rarely functional, > and the 128 max on internal HD is a bit confining. Otherwise it handles all > the work I throw at it fine. > My parameters: > Keeping Classic for 2 old apps I run would be important. > HD capacity over 300G > Ideally under $350. > Better video ability > > Otherwise I don't even know if I need to leave the G4 family. > Thanks for any suggestions! Del > > G4 AGP > 500 MHz > 1.25 RAM > 10.4.11 > ATY,Rage128Pro You say Classic apps you need to run . If you need to boot Classic OS9.2.2 then a G4 MDD dual 1.25 FW 400 is the latest and very greatest machine you can get and probably way less than $500.00. If you have Classic apps that will run in classic under Tiger than you can go up to G5 PM but that's the end all do all point:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Sawtooth replacement
I reckon its time to move on from my faithful old tower, but being a nongeek I really could use an opinion or two on what to move up to - my two main reasons to go to a later model is that YouTube videos are rarely functional, and the 128 max on internal HD is a bit confining. Otherwise it handles all the work I throw at it fine. My parameters: Keeping Classic for 2 old apps I run would be important. HD capacity over 300G Ideally under $350. Better video ability Otherwise I don't even know if I need to leave the G4 family. Thanks for any suggestions! Del G4 AGP 500 MHz 1.25 RAM 10.4.11 ATY,Rage128Pro -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
