Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 13, 11:56 pm, Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net wrote: On 11/13/10 4:57 PM, Tom wrote: Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine, read up on partitioning intel uses guid instead of hfs Charles makes a good point. You will be able to use your old SATA drives, but you will have to back them up first, repartition them, and reinstall Leopard. Then you will be able to use Migration Assistant and get your stuff the way you like it. Right now I'm not sure if you can use a cloning utility like CCC or SuperDuper from one kind of partitioning to the other, but that might be another possibility. HTH, Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Tom wrote: Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine, and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower man, then. As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my way up to 10.6 gradually. Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro from another; Bruce up above mentions a second generation of them, and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor stuff. But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a second generation 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around $1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too much for the money? I would strongly recommend 10.5.8 till you really need Snow Leopard. I have both so I'm not saying this sideways.:-) Snow Leopard can lock you out off Intuit programs that run on Intel and PPC have so be careful of that I found out the hard way. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Thanks John Felix. I think I can probably use Time Machine (from an external backup drive) to restore the disks if I have to repartition them. I used TM that way before when an internal drive died and it restored the replacement exactly, though it took a long time. Regards, Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 15, 2010, at 5:22 AM, dc wrote: It might not be a bad idea to wait until the next OS (Lion) is released and see which Mac Pros are supported. I paid $1000 for a nice used one last year, 2 x 3.0 GHz Core2Duo processors, and found out later that Apple does not support 64-bit processing in the early Mac Pros. Apple has never made a Mac Pro with Core2Duo processors; they've always used Xeon multicore systems, all of which have always supported 64-bit applications; the only Intel systems that ARE NOT supported for 64-bits are the original CoreDuo Intel iMacs. You cannot boot the 64-bit KERNEL in the first gen Mac Pros, but 64-bit APPS will run. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On 2010/11/15 09:04, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: the only Intel systems that ARE NOT supported for 64-bits are the original CoreDuo Intel iMacs. Not to be nit-picky but wouldn't the CoreSolo and CoreDuo Mac Minis fall into the same category? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 15, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/11/15 09:04, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: the only Intel systems that ARE NOT supported for 64-bits are the original CoreDuo Intel iMacs. Not to be nit-picky but wouldn't the CoreSolo and CoreDuo Mac Minis fall into the same category? Picky picky picky 8-P Yes, there are those as well. Any Mac with a Core processor that isn't a Core 2 will not run 64-bit OS X. That said there are no Mac Pros like that. Bac to ds's original post, it seems clear that the 64-bit restriction on MacPros is only in software: see: http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/English/Programs/SMS/SMS.html Also this excellent site offers a simple workaround, since a 32-bit EFI firmware system can boot a 64-bit kernel without issues: http://netkas.org/?p=127 Editing one plist file may be all that's needed to boot an original Mac Pro in 64-bit mode... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 15, 12:07 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Back to ds's original post, it seems clear that the 64-bit restriction on MacPros is only in software: see: http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/English/Programs/SMS/SMS.html Also this excellent site offers a simple workaround, since a 32-bit EFI firmware system can boot a 64-bit kernel without issues: http://netkas.org/?p=127 Editing one plist file may be all that's needed to boot an original Mac Pro in 64-bit mode... The Mac Pro 1,1 has 32-bit EFI and will not boot into 64-bit mode. I tried both of the references you cited several months ago and eventually gave up. My 64-bit apps do run and the prevailing opinion seems to be that the 32-bit EFI should be able to boot into the 64-bit kernal but that would require a firmware update from Apple. It seems Apple would prefer that I buy a new Mac Pro rather than update the one I already own. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 13, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: I believe PowerMax has systems in your budget. www.powermax.com On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 16:57, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to Also keep an eye on http://www.cwioutlet.com/ Jeff Bequette -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 13, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Tom wrote: As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my way up to 10.6 gradually. 10.6 is a no-brainer update for Intel-based Macs; and the performance improvement is probably worth it for you, even with the added cost of updating Adobe (the Apple apps will run no problem) Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro from another; Bruce up above mentions a second generation of them, and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor stuff. This was a discussion of iMacs, mot Mac Pros. Mac Pros have has Intel Xeon CPU's, not Core CPU's. Considerably different critters, performance-wise. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Which used Mac to buy?
After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and this is my excuse to get one. The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you guys. I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software, especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't know. If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously leaky liquid-cooled ones? I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should get before I go hunting for one on Ebay. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 13, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Tom wrote: The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? IMO, absolutely the latter; all of those apps should work on an Intel Mac as most are Universal. CS2 is the sticking point; it is not, so it'll run in emulation, and I think they deprecated CS2 for 10.6. Final Cut, which appears to be your main app, does run natively on Intel. The PPC is a dead end; I wouldn't waste my money on one at this point. I'd go hunting a used mac Pro or higher end iMac (definitely second gen Intel or better). You didn't mention your price range, but obviously, the more you can spend the more you can advance your platform. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On 2010/11/13 12:33, Tom so eloquently wrote: If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. I don't think you are going to get a whole lot of improvement in rendering times with even a G5 DC 2.3, it sounds like maybe an Intel quad might be better suited to your needs. My PM (below) can take days for some tasks such as Handbrake, admittedly I use some pretty demanding settings. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Hello Tom, Adobe CS1, CS2, CS3, have problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard. Adobe CS4 and CS5 have no problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard. Also, regarding Intel Macs, there is speculation that 10.7 Lion will drop support for the Core Duo Intel CPU Macs, because they are only 32 bit processors. So, you probably only want to consider Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Macs, because they are 64 bit processors. I have seen several used Intel Core 2 Duo CPU Mac Pros selling for right around a $1000.00 recently. A new Intel Mac Mini is only $699.00. Used Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Mac Minis are currently selling in the $200 to $300 price range. Bruce Sugarberg === Tom wrote: After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and this is my excuse to get one. The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you guys. I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software, especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't know. If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously leaky liquid-cooled ones? I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should get before I go hunting for one on Ebay. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On Nov 13, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Tom wrote: After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and this is my excuse to get one. The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you guys. I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software, especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't know. If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously leaky liquid-cooled ones? I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should get before I go hunting for one on Ebay. I love the liquid cooled models because I like to work on Mac's :-) however my advice to you on the cash side of things I would get an Imac Intel 2.8 or up and stick to 10.5.8 as long as you can hold out on the software issues. I have Snow Leopard too but cost wise I like to be able to be backward compatible wherever possible. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Whats so bad? Cleaning up the Mountain Dew is FUN! Get a used C2D Mac Mini. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:52 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 13, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Tom wrote: After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and this is my excuse to get one. The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you guys. I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software, especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't know. If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously leaky liquid-cooled ones? I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should get before I go hunting for one on Ebay. I love the liquid cooled models because I like to work on Mac's :-) however my advice to you on the cash side of things I would get an Imac Intel 2.8 or up and stick to 10.5.8 as long as you can hold out on the software issues. I have Snow Leopard too but cost wise I like to be able to be backward compatible wherever possible. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Tom, An easy rule of thumb is: if you do not do intensive video work, you can make do with PPC. Which is obviously not your case. Go Intel, my friend, and see those rendering times come down A LOT. As far as I can see, a used Core 2 Duo iMac won't cost much more than a tricked out G5, and it would be a much better choice. A used Mac Pro would definitely be much more up your alley. Of course it'll be pricier, but think of all the time and aggravation (not to mention electricity) you will save in the long run by buying now the highest end machine you can afford. And of course, like Bruce says, everything that works in Leopard tends to just work in Snow Leopard. The only real exception I have ever seen is DVD2One, which had faithfully worked for me since Tiger through Snow Leopard, but was broken by the recent 10.6.5 upgrade. (I'm sure it will be patched at some point, though.) Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
I have not had any problems with CS3 on a MacBook Pro. On 11/13/10 3:25 PM, Bruce wrote: Hello Tom, Adobe CS1, CS2, CS3, have problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard. Adobe CS4 and CS5 have no problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard. Also, regarding Intel Macs, there is speculation that 10.7 Lion will drop support for the Core Duo Intel CPU Macs, because they are only 32 bit processors. So, you probably only want to consider Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Macs, because they are 64 bit processors. I have seen several used Intel Core 2 Duo CPU Mac Pros selling for right around a $1000.00 recently. A new Intel Mac Mini is only $699.00. Used Core 2 Duo CPU Intel Mac Minis are currently selling in the $200 to $300 price range. Bruce Sugarberg === Tom wrote: After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and this is my excuse to get one. The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you guys. I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software, especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't know. If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously leaky liquid-cooled ones? I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should get before I go hunting for one on Ebay. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine, and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower man, then. As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my way up to 10.6 gradually. Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro from another; Bruce up above mentions a second generation of them, and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor stuff. But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a second generation 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around $1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too much for the money? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
I believe PowerMax has systems in your budget. www.powermax.com On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 16:57, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine, and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower man, then. As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my way up to 10.6 gradually. Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro from another; Bruce up above mentions a second generation of them, and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor stuff. But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a second generation 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around $1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too much for the money? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro, Tennessee USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
On 11/13/10 4:57 PM, Tom wrote: Thanks much, everybody. Well, you've convinced me that I need to move up into the Intel world for the sort of work I do, but I think I'll have to get a tower rather than an iMac or Mini, because I'd like to just switch my two 1 TB hard drives from the G5 into the new machine, read up on partitioning intel uses guid instead of hfs and I'd also like to keep using two big monitors. I guess I'm a tower man, then. As to the software issues, what if I got an Intel Mac Pro of some flavor and just stayed in 10.5 with it, in case there might be problems with some of my old software in Snow Leopard? I could work my way up to 10.6 gradually. Being a technology ignoramus, I don't know one type of Intel Mac Pro from another; Bruce up above mentions a second generation of them, and I don't know from this Core Duo/Core 2 duo 32/64 bit processor stuff. But it appears from what you all say that I'd be best off with a second generation 64-bit Core 2 Duo Mac Pro. My budget is around $1000, maybe a bit more. Can anyone suggest a used model of Mac Pro that fits this bill, and my (dollar) bills? Or am I asking for too much for the money? Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
M Christol wrote: I have not had any problems with CS3 on a MacBook Pro. == On 11/13/10 3:25 PM, Bruce wrote: Hello Tom, Adobe CS1, CS2, CS3, have problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard. Adobe CS4 and CS5 have no problems with 10.6 Snow Leopard. = Hello, All I will say about the subject is that the Forums have many messages like the following: Bruce Sugarberg === Apr 22, 2010 10:45 AM in response to: XX Re: How do I get my Dreamweaver CS3 for mac to stop crashing Thank you so much for the advice. Unfortunately I think you are right about the OS update... I stopped by an Apple Genius and he said that Snow Leopard is not compatible with CS3 or vice versa... -- Adobe Acrobat Professional * Versions: 8.0, 9.0, 9.1 * Snow Leopard (v. 10.6) Compatibility: Adobe Acrobat Professional 8.0 and 9.0 do not work with Snow Leopard. You must update to version 9.1 or later. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
