Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
Hey thanks for all your input. I went ahead and bought: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEFW911UPLOB/ Thanks -Jonas On 1/11/09, Kris Tilford wrote: > > > On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:58 AM, yawg wrote: > > > My other two have Initio-controllers and used to boot my Panther > > clones OK but lost that ability somehow lately, I don't know why. I > > > always use CCC for cloning. > > I've used a few Initio chipset FW enclosures and they've always booted > for me. I think this is a problem with the clone, I've also had a > number of CCC clones be non-bootable. I'm not sure what the problem > was, I repeated the clone and they always worked the 2nd time. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:58 AM, yawg wrote: > My other two have Initio-controllers and used to boot my Panther > clones OK but lost that ability somehow lately, I don't know why. I > always use CCC for cloning. I've used a few Initio chipset FW enclosures and they've always booted for me. I think this is a problem with the clone, I've also had a number of CCC clones be non-bootable. I'm not sure what the problem was, I repeated the clone and they always worked the 2nd time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
Hi, I have three external Firewire drives, one with an Oxford-controller that always boots fine, there is a Tiger clone on that disk now. My other two have Initio-controllers and used to boot my Panther clones OK but lost that ability somehow lately, I don't know why. I always use CCC for cloning, the older version for my Panther clones and the newer version for Tiger. All three have no capacity limit AFAIK. I like the Diginote (made by CoolerMaster) Initio-enclosures a lot though. No fiddling with little screws, no fan but good cooling, nice look and - last not least - real cheap. Regards, Jörg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
Hi, I have three external Firewire drives, one with an Oxford-controller that always boots fine, there is a Tiger clone on that disk now. My other two have Initio-controllers and used to boot my Panther clones OK but lost that ability somehow lately, I don't know why. I always use CCC for cloning, the older version for my Panther clones and the newer version for Tiger. All three have no capacity limit AFAIK. I like the Diginote (made by CoolerMaster) Initio-enclosures a lot though. No fiddling with little screws, no fan but good cooling, nice look and - last not least - real cheap. Regards, Jörg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
On Jan 10, 2009, at 2:12 AM, Ralph Green wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 23:03 -0800, jonas ulrich wrote: >> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/NP35FW/ >> >> >> Is this a good drive case to buy? >> -Jonas > > Howdy, > It should work well with the Mac and it looks OK. I see that it is > designed for IDE drives. I'd look for a case that can handle sata > drives, unless you had particular IDE drives you want to use. IDE > drives may be hard to find in a couple of years. > I personally like cases that are a little bigger and have a built in > power supply. But, that is my taste and yours may differ. > Have a good day, > Ralph No experience with the Neptune. You might ask OWC, too? I have one of these (linked below) for IDE drives, and with moderate use, have had no problems with it. Currently have a 750GB Seagate in it for backup purposes: backup off my home network as a FW drive off my Quicksilver. It looks like they have FW800 ones now instead of 400? It's power supply is external as Ralph pointed out: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEFW911UPLOB/ The all newer Aluminum ones look like they may dissipate heat well. The Elite Pro ones mentioned above are covered with clear plastic, which I have questioned as to their heat release ability ... but they seem to work ok with moderate use. My 2 cents worth ... I have booted off the one I bought ... worked well. Just tested the Cold Boot-OPT, and the external drive showed up as one of the options, and it booted fine off my QS. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 23:03 -0800, jonas ulrich wrote: > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/NP35FW/ > > > Is this a good drive case to buy? > -Jonas Howdy, It should work well with the Mac and it looks OK. I see that it is designed for IDE drives. I'd look for a case that can handle sata drives, unless you had particular IDE drives you want to use. IDE drives may be hard to find in a couple of years. I personally like cases that are a little bigger and have a built in power supply. But, that is my taste and yours may differ. Have a good day, Ralph --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/NP35FW/ Is this a good drive case to buy? -Jonas On 1/9/09, Kris Tilford wrote: > > > On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:25 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: > > > I just found this case on ebay. says its for mac/pc what do you > > think? > http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-USB-2-0-1394-FIREWIRE-HD-ENCLOSURE-CASE-BLACK_W0QQitemZ5127087778QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 > > > It's always a crapshoot on cheap cases with unknown chipsets. Perhaps > you can dig around the web and find what chipsets these use. I've had > really bad luck with generic dual FW400/USB2 cases. Normally I get one > with an Oxford chipset for the Firewire, but then the USB 2.0 has not > worked at all. I've had at least two different cases with Oxford > Firewire chipsets (which always work perfect for me), that have had > completely non-functional USB 2.0. One had the ALi M5621 chipset. One > had other brand, perhaps Prolific that didn't work for me. OWC has > models guaranteed to work with Macs. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:25 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: > I just found this case on ebay. says its for mac/pc what do you > think? > http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-USB-2-0-1394-FIREWIRE-HD-ENCLOSURE-CASE-BLACK_W0QQitemZ5127087778QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 It's always a crapshoot on cheap cases with unknown chipsets. Perhaps you can dig around the web and find what chipsets these use. I've had really bad luck with generic dual FW400/USB2 cases. Normally I get one with an Oxford chipset for the Firewire, but then the USB 2.0 has not worked at all. I've had at least two different cases with Oxford Firewire chipsets (which always work perfect for me), that have had completely non-functional USB 2.0. One had the ALi M5621 chipset. One had other brand, perhaps Prolific that didn't work for me. OWC has models guaranteed to work with Macs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
I just found this case on ebay. says its for mac/pc what do you think? http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-USB-2-0-1394-FIREWIRE-HD-ENCLOSURE-CASE-BLACK_W0QQitemZ5127087778QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 On 1/9/09, jonas ulrich wrote: > > When you say that the other models will work OK, are you saying that they > won't work as well?-Jonas > > On 1/9/09, Kris Tilford wrote: >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:37 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: >> >> > I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital >> > audio powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap. >> > All of the ata cards that i found either didn't support big drives >> > or weren't bootable. Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an >> > external firewire drive? >> >> >> Yes. Some older Firewire enclosures (pre-2003) have the 128GB limit, >> but all modern ones are not limited. The newest enclosures are made >> for SATA HDs but are much more expensive than the older ones that use >> PATA HDs unless you buy an OEM external combo unit. A few PATA >> Firewire enclosures are not bootable, but they are rare and have >> chipsets by Genesys Logic or Prolific. Newer ones are all bootable >> AFAIK. Oxford chipsets are recognized as best for Macs, but the >> chipsets used on OEM HD manufacturer's enclosure/HD units such as >> Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital all appear to work OK with Macs. >> >> >> >> >> > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
When you say that the other models will work OK, are you saying that they won't work as well?-Jonas On 1/9/09, Kris Tilford wrote: > > > On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:37 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: > > > I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital > > audio powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap. > > All of the ata cards that i found either didn't support big drives > > or weren't bootable. Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an > > external firewire drive? > > > Yes. Some older Firewire enclosures (pre-2003) have the 128GB limit, > but all modern ones are not limited. The newest enclosures are made > for SATA HDs but are much more expensive than the older ones that use > PATA HDs unless you buy an OEM external combo unit. A few PATA > Firewire enclosures are not bootable, but they are rare and have > chipsets by Genesys Logic or Prolific. Newer ones are all bootable > AFAIK. Oxford chipsets are recognized as best for Macs, but the > chipsets used on OEM HD manufacturer's enclosure/HD units such as > Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital all appear to work OK with Macs. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:37 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: > I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital > audio powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap. > All of the ata cards that i found either didn't support big drives > or weren't bootable. Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an > external firewire drive? Yes. Some older Firewire enclosures (pre-2003) have the 128GB limit, but all modern ones are not limited. The newest enclosures are made for SATA HDs but are much more expensive than the older ones that use PATA HDs unless you buy an OEM external combo unit. A few PATA Firewire enclosures are not bootable, but they are rare and have chipsets by Genesys Logic or Prolific. Newer ones are all bootable AFAIK. Oxford chipsets are recognized as best for Macs, but the chipsets used on OEM HD manufacturer's enclosure/HD units such as Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital all appear to work OK with Macs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??
I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital audio powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap. All of the ata cards that i found either didn't support big drives or weren't bootable. Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an external firewire drive?-Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
