Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:42 AM, TRGPN WebMaster wrote: --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: Bottom line: If you want to run a supported OS and OS 9 (reliably), you need two machines. Not so. In its simplest terms, you need a separate volume for each OS you want to run on your computer. Use the system preference Startup Disk to select the system you want to run. Darn,, I was polishing up the old eMac 700, anticipating sales. Happy New Year! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Dan wrote: I've found Sheepshaver to be sluggish and/or crashy Sure that isn't just the experience of using OS 9 after living with OS X for so long? It's SheepShaver. Since it doesn't implement hardware exceptions, occurrences that normally would make an application unexpectedly quit crash the entire emulator instead. Also, I use a build from 2007 since later builds crash sporadically even with well-behaved apps. Since Leopard will soon join Tiger in the ranks of unsupported Apple operating systems, you should seriously consider staying with Tiger to run Classic or booting Mac OS 9 natively. Either one works well, was at one time officially supported by Apple, and is appropriate for production environments. Bottom line: If you want to run a supported OS and OS 9 (reliably), you need two machines. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
--- On Tue, 12/28/10, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: Bottom line: If you want to run a supported OS and OS 9 (reliably), you need two machines. Not so. In its simplest terms, you need a separate volume for each OS you want to run on your computer. Use the system preference Startup Disk to select the system you want to run. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, TRGPN WebMaster wrote: --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: Bottom line: If you want to run a supported OS and OS 9 (reliably), you need two machines. Not so. In its simplest terms, you need a separate volume for each OS you want to run on your computer. Use the system preference Startup Disk to select the system you want to run. Not quite so simple (although I thought it should be) I have found that after running a Leopard system, trying to load a Tiger system [Via Option key during boot phase/ select Tiger partition] results in Kernal Panic The solution, be sure and do a PRAM Reset between system loads. That works for me. Chuck Davis MDD Dual 1.25 G4 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
classic or no classic in leopard?
hi all, i run tiger on all my macs (G4's G5's) except for the 2010 intelmac (10.6.4), but i have been thinking of getting 10.5 for the older ones. however, i use a number of classic apps regularly, and i don't remember if 10.5 supports the classic environment or not. i tried checking the apple website, and found two articles that seem to contradict one another. one says no classic in 10.5, the other implies there is. http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1929 is anyone running the classic environment under 10.5? is it officially supported or is there a hack? TIA for replies. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 11:43 AM, ah...clem wrote: hi all, i run tiger on all my macs (G4's G5's) except for the 2010 intelmac (10.6.4), but i have been thinking of getting 10.5 for the older ones. however, i use a number of classic apps regularly, and i don't remember if 10.5 supports the classic environment or not. i tried checking the apple website, and found two articles that seem to contradict one another. one says no classic in 10.5, the other implies there is. Classic is gone under 10.5, the mention of 10.5 in that KB article is absolutely in error. You can install OS 9.0.4 or lower in Sheepshaver http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
At 12:31 PM -0700 12/22/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 11:43 AM, ah...clem wrote: i run tiger on all my macs (G4's G5's) except for the 2010 intelmac (10.6.4), but i have been thinking of getting 10.5 for the older ones. however, i use a number of classic apps regularly, and i don't remember if 10.5 supports the classic environment or not. i tried checking the apple website, and found two articles that seem to contradict one another. one says no classic in 10.5, the other implies there is. Classic is gone under 10.5, the mention of 10.5 in that KB article is absolutely in error. You can install OS 9.0.4 or lower in Sheepshaver http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/. I've found Sheepshaver to be sluggish and/or crashy - depending on what apps you're trying to use. IMO, best to run a test or to name the specific apps involved and hope someone on these lists can confirm that those particular apps are ok or not... FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Dan wrote: I've found Sheepshaver to be sluggish and/or crashy Sure that isn't just the experience of using OS 9 after living with OS X for so long? gdr -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Dan wrote: I've found Sheepshaver to be sluggish and/or crashy Sure that isn't just the experience of using OS 9 after living with OS X for so long? gdr -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. Only on some of the G4's. No G5 will boot natively in OS 9, and the last model, perhaps the last two models of G4 only boot in OS X as well. I don't know if they ever got PearPC working on a PowerPC, but remotely you could run an older version of OS X inside that would let you run Classic. IMO Best bet is to just bite the dead, rotting corpse of the bullet and move past Classic already, geez. If you have some app that's both mission critical and hasn't been updated in ten years, do what we do with old old instruments going that need Win95 or WinNT: keep a stack of ancient systems piled up in the back room and cannibalize 'em as needed to keep the working system going as long as you can. Heck..it seems to be working for B-52's, the USAF is flying airframes older than I am. One article I read a while back mentioned a AF captain who was a pilot flying combat missions in the same airplane his father flew in Vietnam. Not the same *class* of aircraft, the very same aircraft. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. That has worked for me. Using Leopard 10.5.8, and having OS 9 Classic under Tiger 10.4.11, and going back when needed. Each on a separate partition. Doesn't seem to happen anymore, though ... the using of OS 9 ... but its there when and if needed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. That has worked for me. Using Leopard 10.5.8, and having OS 9 Classic under Tiger 10.4.11, and going back when needed. Each on a separate partition. Oh DUH! I didn't think of two versions of OSX... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
I didn't think of dual booting multiple versions of OS X either. lol Good to know about the OS9 /OS X dual boot option though. My trusty Quicksilver 2002 runs both just fine. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. That has worked for me. Using Leopard 10.5.8, and having OS 9 Classic under Tiger 10.4.11, and going back when needed. Each on a separate partition. Oh DUH! I didn't think of two versions of OSX... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I didn't think of dual booting multiple versions of OS X either. lol Good to know about the OS9 /OS X dual boot option though. My trusty Quicksilver 2002 runs both just fine. My PowerMac G4 MDD Dual 1.25 boots OS.9.2.2, Tiger 10.4.11, and Leopard 10.5.8. My PowerMac G5 Dual 2.7 Boots Tiger 10.4.11 and runs Classic, it also boots Leopard 10.5.8. G4 PowerMacs with FireWire 800 and up will no longer boot OS 9 but will run Classic with Tiger. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. That has worked for me. Using Leopard 10.5.8, and having OS 9 Classic under Tiger 10.4.11, and going back when needed. Each on a separate partition. Oh DUH! I didn't think of two versions of OSX... - The only issue I believe is that Spotlight under Tiger starts up when you first run it, after using Leopard ... as if it's never run, if I interpret what is going on correctly. Letting it run to completion, so it doesn't show its buggy-ness, can be time consuming. All just to run an app under OS 9 Classic ... Comments welcomed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
At 9:01 PM -0500 12/22/2010, Bill Connelly wrote: The only issue I believe is that Spotlight under Tiger starts up when you first run it, after using Leopard ... as if it's never run, if I interpret what is going on correctly. Letting it run to completion, so it doesn't show its buggy-ness, can be time consuming. All just to run an app under OS 9 Classic ... Comments welcomed. So disable the indexing. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
