Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
On Nov 20, 11:22 am, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: On Nov 19, 12:49 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: On Nov 16, 12:03 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: ... I will report back on whether it actually works for ATAPI devices, or not... Working fine under OS X 10.4.11! SYBA tech support also says my WD Raptor should run without reformatting off the SYBA card. So, I'm going to remove the Seritek 1V4 and run the WD Raptor off the SYBA card. Having two eSATA ports left over is a bonus. Looks like the base driver OS X version requirements are minimum, covering/working under later versions as well, including a new driver for 10.6.1 which is available for download. There is a four internal port version of this card that uses the SiL3124 chipset as well. Maybe next time... All-in-all, a very satisfactory purchase, indeed! Sorry to have wasted everyone's time, and my money. I purchased the SD- PCXSA2-2E2R controller based on the manufacturer's representation the card could be reflashed to the Base Firmware on a Windows/DOS PC, and then used in a Mac with the SYBA/SiL3124 Base driver under various versions of OS X. This is partially true. They OMITTED to mention that any devices attached to the card would NOT be bootable... a rather LARGE OVERSIGHT IMHO! Especially, since I had made my requirements known from the git-go. In fact, the re-flashed controller card will run the SATA DVD burner, and it will run a NON-BOOTABLE HDD (you can';t even install an OS on a hard drive with this card, let alone boot from it). That, coupled with the fact OS X doesn't eject the tray under any method unless media is already in the optical drive, makes it a cluster- IMHO. One has to use an iApp or Toast to open the SATA optical drive tray to insert media, and the optical drive is not bootable with an OS disc. My goal was to have a single SATA controller to boot and run both a HDD and an optical drive. I have since discovered a new ACARD AEC-6293M that has one internal SATA port, one external SATA port and one internal IDE port (two IDE device capable). Don't know if it is bootable, but it claims to support SATA Atapi devices on both IDE and SATA ports. I believe this card used to be OEM'd to Macsense, as I used to own one from them that did the same, except I had no SATA ATAPI device to test with back then. I used it in a DP G4/450 GigE to boot my HDD/OS X 10.4.11. If you have a bootable SATA controller, the addition of this re- flashed SYBA SD-PCXSA2-2E2R will allow you to run SATA ATAPI devices, but don't plan on booting from any device attached to this card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
On Nov 19, 12:49 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: On Nov 16, 12:03 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: ... I will report back on whether it actually works for ATAPI devices, or not... Working fine under OS X 10.4.11! SYBA tech support also says my WD Raptor should run without reformatting off the SYBA card. So, I'm going to remove the Seritek 1V4 and run the WD Raptor off the SYBA card. Having two eSATA ports left over is a bonus. Looks like the base driver OS X version requirements are minimum, covering/working under later versions as well, including a new driver for 10.6.1 which is available for download. There is a four internal port version of this card that uses the SiL3124 chipset as well. Maybe next time... All-in-all, a very satisfactory purchase, indeed! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
Good result Ross. I have the Seritek 1S2 and run a WD Raptor off it in OSX.4.11 which runs well. You should list your success on the XLR8 database for PCI cards under the interface type - IDE Serial ATA PCI card and any relevant information. http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso Cheers, Stewie Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:22:55 -0800 Subject: Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD From: olfec...@digizip.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Nov 19, 12:49 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: On Nov 16, 12:03 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: ... I will report back on whether it actually works for ATAPI devices, or not... Working fine under OS X 10.4.11! SYBA tech support also says my WD Raptor should run without reformatting off the SYBA card. So, I'm going to remove the Seritek 1V4 and run the WD Raptor off the SYBA card. Having two eSATA ports left over is a bonus. Looks like the base driver OS X version requirements are minimum, covering/working under later versions as well, including a new driver for 10.6.1 which is available for download. There is a four internal port version of this card that uses the SiL3124 chipset as well. Maybe next time... All-in-all, a very satisfactory purchase, indeed! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Looking for a date? View photos of singles in your area! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
On Nov 16, 12:03 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: I ordered the SYBA PCI-X model SD-PCXSA2-2E2R from mwave, and am waiting for it to show up. I will report back on whether it actually works for ATAPI devices, or not. If it does, I may have a Seritek 1V4 to sell. Here is the procedure to reflash the SD-PCXSA2-2E2R card firmware to the Base (non-RAID) firmware version 6.4.09. You must use a Windows PC booted in DOS mode from a MS-DOS Start-up floppy, or CD, with the flasher and the firmware binary in the root directory. You can also create an autoexec.bat file for the DOS bootable disk that loads on start-up to auto-flash the firmware. Here are the files you need, follow the instructions carefully: http://www.siliconimage.com/support/searchresults.aspx? pid=27cat=15os=0 6.4.09 BIOS http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/UpdFlash_v336.zip DOS flash utility http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/SiI3124_2.0.3_Sil_Pkg.zip Mac base drivers Use Windows XP Format command to Create a MS-DOS Start-up Disk (DOS bootable floppy disk) - Dear Customer, Thank you for your inquiry. Please insert the card into a Windows PC with a 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slot. Please download the SIL3124 flash utility and firmware from here: http://www.siliconimage.com/support/searchresults.aspx? pid=27cat=15os=0 UPDFLASH.EXE http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/UpdFlash_v336.zip is the FlashROM utility. (Real DOS mode only). B6409.BIN http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/3124_6409.zip is the SIL3124 non-RAID firmware. 1. Please copy the two files above to your DOS floppy bootdisk. 2. Insert the SIL3124 card into your system and make sure there is SATA hard drive attached to the card. 3. Boot up your system to Real DOS mode. (You will need the DOS bootdisk in order to bootup to Real DOS mode.) 4. At DOS prompt, type UPDFLASH.EXE B6409.BIN -ID3124 [Enter] 5. Follow the on screen instructions to upgrade the BIOS. This process will take about 5-10 minutes. Do NOT reboot or shutdown the computer before the update is finish, otherwise you might damaged the flashrom. 6. Once complete, shutdown you computer and insert the card to your Mac PCI-X slot. After that please use the NON-RAID Mac OSX 10.4.9, 10.4.10, 10.5.1 driver here: http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/SiI3124_2.0.3_Sil_Pkg.zip. 1. Decompress the zip file by double clicking on it. 2. Launch the SiI3124_2.0.3_Sil_Pkg. 3. Press continue and accept the license. 4. Select your startup drive as the install destination volume. 5. Push continue and the install button. 6. Type in your password to complete the installation. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further question. Best regards, Poh Chu poh@us.syba.com Syba Support Team -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
On Nov 7, 5:27 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: What is the cheapest functional SATA card available for use in a MDD DP1.42GHz system to run SATA DVD drives? I already have a Seritek 1V4 installed and running my hard drives, but the 1V4 is NOT designed to run SATA DL DVD/RW drives like the TSST SH223S drive I have recently purchased. I tried running the DVD burner off the Seritek card, but although it is recognized, it is effectively non-responsive. Pressing the eject key on the keyboard eventually opens/closes the drive tray, but takes a very long time. The drive may function using Disk Utility/ Burn, but does not work under Toast 7.13, with or without a Patchburn profile. Firmtek-Seritek says the 1V4 does not support optical drives/ devices, only hard drives. I was hoping a cheap SYBA or SIIG SATA controller would do the trick, but haven't found a definitive answer. Hope someone here can help. Ross As previously stated, the SYBA PCI-X model SD-PCXSA2-2E2R is the only SATA card that claims ATAPI device compatibility with the non-RAID/ Base firmware/driver. I looked at Adaptec, and they do not have any listed Mac compatible SATA cards. I guess they're still pissed off with Apple for abandoning SCSI. Areca may have a card or two that will support ATAPI devices on Mac systems, but their product line is high-end commercial server oriented, and priced accordingly; i.e., way too expensive for a home user who just wants to convert an old G4 MDD to all SATA drives. Sonnet says they have NO SATA cards that will support ATAPI devices. They apparently have their cards manufactured by Firmtek/Seritek. I doubt the Seritek 1S2 will run ATAPI devices either. I ordered the SYBA PCI-X model SD-PCXSA2-2E2R from mwave, and am waiting for it to show up. I will report back on whether it actually works for ATAPI devices, or not. If it does, I may have a Seritek 1V4 to sell. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
As chance would have it, this is the same Firmtek card that I have in my DA running a 36Gb Raptor and OS10.4.11 and doing it well. I think what he is after though is whether these cards can have a DVD drive plugged into them that you can boot off. I don't have a SATA optical drive that I can plug into it and test it to see if it is also bootable. From what I have read some can , some can't. Stewie From: billycarm...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:18:06 -0500 On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: Ross , I thought someone might have weighed in with some advice by now but not so far. I don't know the answer to your question but if you go here http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso and just select Interface type - IDE Serial ATA PCI card and Mac Model - MDD Then click the search button, I get 5 results with all the info. Changing the Mac Model to Apple Dual CPU and hitting the search button again I get a lot more. Hopefully somewhere in there amongst all the posts you will be able to glean the right info. Don't know if its the cheapest, but this one is working well in my DA Dual G4 533 (SATA 1TB Seagate off it only at present): FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 Internal Serial ATA Host Adapter https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/ 2 ports for SATA internal drives, PCI controller. _ Want to know what your boss is paid? Check out The Great Australian Pay Check now http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
On Nov 10, 11:27 am, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: ... I think what he is after though is whether these cards can have a DVD drive plugged into them that you can boot off... Stewie Correct! I just searched for Mac compatible SATA controller cards, then for cheap Mac compatible SATA cards. I finally found that Silicon Image chip sets are the basis for most Mac compatible SATA cards. SYBA makes about the cheapest SATA II 2int/2/ext 4-port Mac compatible out there; PCI-X model SD-PCXSA2-2E2R, $33.99 @ mwave.com. The card comes stock with a RAID capable (software only) BIOS/firmware that only supports hard drives. However, a non-RAID BIOS/firmware is available for download (card must be flashed in a Windows PC) that eliminates the delay at boot caused by the RAID BIOS looking for a RAID drive set, and allows the card to support SATA ATAPI devices such as optical drives, tape drives, etc. as well as hard drives (non-RAID). The SYBA SATA PCI-X model SD-PCXSA2-2E2R controller card is based on the SIL3124 chipset. So theoretically, any card based on this chip set will run in a Mac with the right BIOS/firmware installed. There are several other manufacturers cards available using this chip set that allow port multiplier (up to 5 devices/port) operation with external enclosures, etc.. I had to inquire directly with the manufacturer's tech support personnel to obtain this info. They were also very specific about which versions of OS X the card would operate with. Namely, 10.4.9, 10.4.10 and 10.5.1. I have sent an inquiry to confirm whether or not these are the ONLY versions of OS X the card will function with. If so, I will have to keep searching for a solution. I believe I have found an alternate card that will work under 10.5.8 and 10.6.1, but it is a 4-port internal that costs about $89.99-$119.00. Way too much for simply adding a SATA DVD burner to my MDD, unless I can sell the Seritek 1V4 for about the same amount. There may be some SIL3512 based cards that will work as well. Still looking... Anyway, thanks to all who tried to help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
On Nov 10, 6:35 pm, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote: On Nov 10, 11:27 am, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: ... I think what he is after though is whether these cards can have a DVD drive plugged into them that you can boot off... Stewie Correct! I just searched for Mac compatible SATA controller cards, then for cheap Mac compatible SATA cards. I finally found that Silicon Image chip sets are the basis for most Mac compatible SATA cards. SYBA makes about the cheapest SATA II 2int/2/ext 4-port Mac compatible out there; PCI-X model SD-PCXSA2-2E2R, $33.99 @ mwave.com. The card comes stock with a RAID capable (software only) BIOS/firmware that only supports hard drives. However, a non-RAID BIOS/firmware is available for download (card must be flashed in a Windows PC) that eliminates the delay at boot caused by the RAID BIOS looking for a RAID drive set, and allows the card to support SATA ATAPI devices such as optical drives, tape drives, etc. as well as hard drives (non-RAID). The SYBA SATA PCI-X model SD-PCXSA2-2E2R controller card is based on the SIL3124 chipset. So theoretically, any card based on this chip set will run in a Mac with the right BIOS/firmware installed. There are several other manufacturers cards available using this chip set that allow port multiplier (up to 5 devices/port) operation with external enclosures, etc.. I had to inquire directly with the manufacturer's tech support personnel to obtain this info. They were also very specific about which versions of OS X the card would operate with. Namely, 10.4.9, 10.4.10 and 10.5.1. I have sent an inquiry to confirm whether or not these are the ONLY versions of OS X the card will function with. If so, I will have to keep searching for a solution. I believe I have found an alternate card that will work under 10.5.8 and 10.6.1, but it is a 4-port internal that costs about $89.99-$119.00. Way too much for simply adding a SATA DVD burner to my MDD, unless I can sell the Seritek 1V4 for about the same amount. There may be some SIL3512 based cards that will work as well. Still looking... Anyway, thanks to all who tried to help. SIL3512 based cards do NOT work with Macs. Here is a list of BIOS/ firmware available for the SIL3124 based cards, along with the versions of OS X they support: http://www.siliconimage.com/support/searchresults.aspx? pid=27cat=3os=3 There are other manufacturers that I have not investigated yet; e.g., Addonics, Areca and Adaptec. I will take a look at their product lines as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
Ross , I thought someone might have weighed in with some advice by now but not so far. I don't know the answer to your question but if you go here http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso and just select Interface type - IDE Serial ATA PCI card and Mac Model - MDD Then click the search button, I get 5 results with all the info. Changing the Mac Model to Apple Dual CPU and hitting the search button again I get a lot more. Hopefully somewhere in there amongst all the posts you will be able to glean the right info. Stewie Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:27:28 -0800 Subject: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD From: olfec...@digizip.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com What is the cheapest functional SATA card available for use in a MDD DP1.42GHz system to run SATA DVD drives? I already have a Seritek 1V4 installed and running my hard drives, but the 1V4 is NOT designed to run SATA DL DVD/RW drives like the TSST SH223S drive I have recently purchased. I tried running the DVD burner off the Seritek card, but although it is recognized, it is effectively non-responsive. Pressing the eject key on the keyboard eventually opens/closes the drive tray, but takes a very long time. The drive may function using Disk Utility/ Burn, but does not work under Toast 7.13, with or without a Patchburn profile. Firmtek-Seritek says the 1V4 does not support optical drives/ devices, only hard drives. I was hoping a cheap SYBA or SIIG SATA controller would do the trick, but haven't found a definitive answer. Hope someone here can help. Ross _ Download new and classic emoticon packs at Emoticon World Brought to you exclusively by Windows Live http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/emoticon.aspx? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA card for DVD burner in a MDD
On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: Ross , I thought someone might have weighed in with some advice by now but not so far. I don't know the answer to your question but if you go here http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso and just select Interface type - IDE Serial ATA PCI card and Mac Model - MDD Then click the search button, I get 5 results with all the info. Changing the Mac Model to Apple Dual CPU and hitting the search button again I get a lot more. Hopefully somewhere in there amongst all the posts you will be able to glean the right info. Don't know if its the cheapest, but this one is working well in my DA Dual G4 533 (SATA 1TB Seagate off it only at present): FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 Internal Serial ATA Host Adapter https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/ 2 ports for SATA internal drives, PCI controller. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
