Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-10 Thread Dan

At 12:17 PM -0400 10/9/2008, Dan wrote:
I received three emails from Beliefnet.  All three were moved to the 
Spam box by GMail.  So I have now created a filter in GMail to NOT 
move Beliefnet items to the Spam box.  We'll see if that works 
tonite.

Today I received three more messages from Beliefnet.  All three were 
left in the Inbox by GMail, so they could be automatically downloaded 
by Eudora.

To make the filter:

Sign onto your GMail account.
Locate and view a Beliefnet email.
 From the More Actions pop-up menu, select Filter messages like these.
Make sure that the only criteria set is *from* Beliefnet.
Make sure it lists the right emails in the sample search results.
Click Next Step
Check Never send it to spam
Click Create Filter.
Logout of GMail.

HTH,
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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-10 Thread Stephen Conrad

As I have stated
1) Only the Chicken Soup email gets marked as SPAM (none of the others
I subscribe to are so marked)
2) I have added them to my Contacts
3) I have marked the option NEVER PUT IN SPAM FOLDER (or whatever it says)
4) Its still going to SPAM despite all those efforts.

On 10/10/08, gifutiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Oct 8, 2:47 am, gifutiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Oct 2, 4:54 pm, Stephen Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  OK, I had asked earlier about getting gmail to stop putting something
  into the SPAM folder.
  I tried what was suggested. I set the preferences to NEVER PUT INTO
  SPAM FOLDER that particular email. It is STILL putting it into the
  SPAM folder. How do I get it to stop doing that? It is something I
  subscribed to (one of the Beliefnet mailing lists) and I have NEVER
  marked it as Spam.

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  Henrietta, MO 64036

  The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
  to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
 - Capt. Henry Gloval

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 Greetings Steve ( + )!( + )

 Did you read (at the bottom of the
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 And did you add the partner.beliefnet.com address to your GMAIL
 address book?

 If not perhaps you should give it a try.

 Best regards,

 Harry
 ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø
  (-_-)zzz

 Greetings ( + )!( + )

 I've subscribed to two of the Beliefnet mailing lists and set the
 preferences in my gamil.com account to NEVER PUT INTO SPAM FOLDER for
 these particular emails and everything works Okay. I've received
 eMails from http://www.beliefnet.com/ which are not marked as SPAM so
 I think that you have, possibly not save the request to not put email
 from Beliefnet into the SPAM folder.

 Best regards,

 Harry
 
 



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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-09 Thread Dan

At 5:30 PM -0600 10/8/2008, Stephen Conrad wrote:
   BTW... Your use of - is rather confusing.  The  is used to
  indicated QUOTED text.  Prefixing that with a dash just looks like a
  typo.

= Better? I do it to point out my replies.

No.  It makes the reply *harder* to find.  Leave out that 
quote-looking prefix.  Just use normal text.  When you prefix your 
reply with things like that, it looks like a non-standard quote 
choice to the mail client, so it's processed erroneously as such.

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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-09 Thread Dan

At 5:30 PM -0600 10/8/2008, Stephen Conrad wrote:
Well, I looked in one of their emails and it said to assure delivery:

Beliefnet would like to ensure that you are receiving your newsletter
subscription in your inbox.
  Please add [EMAIL PROTECTED] into your address book.

I did this. It doesn't help.

Did this WHERE and HOW?  In GMail's web interface or in your regular 
Mail client?


Today's update...

I received three emails from Beliefnet.  All three were moved to the 
Spam box by GMail.  So I have now created a filter in GMail to NOT 
move Beliefnet items to the Spam box.  We'll see if that works tonite.

WRT why it didn't pay attention to my marking it as not spam 
yesterday... I contacted one of the google bloggers that seems to 
know his stuff.  He looked at the Chicken Soup email and said getting 
it to pass the automatic spam filters is going to be VERY difficult. 
He cited two main reasons:  1) The s:n ratio is terrible.  That 
immediately gives the message a VERY high spam score.  2) People 
often mark Beliefnet and other messages from that ISP as being spam - 
so system-wide it has a VERY high spam score from that too.

Hopefully the filter I created will catch the message before the spam 
check in done...

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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-08 Thread Bill Christensen

At 5:17 PM -0600 10/5/08, Stephen Conrad wrote:
I have tried to keep this out of my SPAM folder but I am failing.
  It is the _ONLY_ Beliefnet email that ends up there.
  I even have gone so far as to mark (in the Contacts for Gmail) the
  option to Never Put It In The SPAM Folder.
  Still, it ends up in SPAM and nothng I do stops this.
  The email is from: Beliefnet, Chicken Soup for the Soul
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It may be that it's actually sent FROM a different address (perhaps 
the individual sender's, perhaps a list admin address) - it depends 
upon what list software they're using.   Check the headers (pull down 
that little arrow next to 'Reply' in the upper right corner to 'Show 
Original') and extract any other relevant addresses to mark as never 
spam.

Also, you might want to do a Search Mail for Chicken Soup for the 
Soul or similar periodically to be sure that you didn't miss any. 
It'll look in the spam folder too.

For those of you suggesting ways to keep Apple Mail from marking it 
as spam - it won't work.  If Gmail lists it as spam it gets tucked 
away in a spam folder and doesn't get downloaded via POP3.  Probably 
not IMAP either, but I don't use it so can't say for sure.

Good luck.

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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-08 Thread gifutiger

On Oct 2, 4:54 pm, Stephen Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK, I had asked earlier about getting gmail to stop putting something
 into the SPAM folder.
 I tried what was suggested. I set the preferences to NEVER PUT INTO
 SPAM FOLDER that particular email. It is STILL putting it into the
 SPAM folder. How do I get it to stop doing that? It is something I
 subscribed to (one of the Beliefnet mailing lists) and I have NEVER
 marked it as Spam.

 --
 Steve Conrad
 Henrietta, MO 64036

 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
 to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
                    - Capt. Henry Gloval

 (\__/)
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 ()_()
 Help Bunny Take Over The World!

Greetings Steve ( + )!( + )

Did you read (at the bottom of the
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news letter sign-up page

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And did you add the partner.beliefnet.com address to your GMAIL
address book?

If not perhaps you should give it a try.

Best regards,

Harry
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 (-_-)zzz
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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-08 Thread Dan

At 5:23 PM -0400 10/7/2008, Dan wrote:
At 5:17 PM -0600 10/5/2008, Stephen Conrad wrote:
The email is from: Beliefnet, Chicken Soup for the Soul

Ok.  I like soup, so I just signed up for their daily newsletter 
using this GMail account.  We'll see what happens.

I have now received two emails from beliefnet, so far.

*Both* emails were flagged as spam by *both* GMail and Eudora.  I did 
the not spam thing in Gmail, and told Eudora to accept things from 
beliefnet.com.  We'll see what happens with future deliveries.

Upon inspection of the emails, I can see why GMail *really* wants to 
flag them as Spam

1.  The confirmation email is NOT really a confirmation.  At that 
point, you're signed-up - period.  There is NO actual confirmation 
link in the email.  By not requiring an actual confirmation response, 
Beliefnet is a haven for people that want to sign up their friends to 
have them flooded with unsolicited emails!

2.  The newsletter (Chicken Soup for the Soul) is written in poorly 
formed HTML.  That's why Eudora nailed it - it contains some 
intentionally malformed tags (a spammer trick to try to get past spam 
filters!).

3.  The newsletter's signal-to-noise ratio is VERY poor.  Signal: a 
single headline and one partial paragraph (2 1/2 sentences) with a 
come-on / read-more link to view the rest of the article.  Noise: 
*SEVEN* ads!

4.  They're hosted by DataPipe.  A bit of Googling ... that hosting 
company smells legit.  But when I search my spam archive (four 
years worth of spam), I find over 1000 spams that originated from 
their IP block, most from this year alone.  So they either are a 
spammer or they leave their smtp servers open so spammers can use 
them.

As to training GMail to accept these messages,,, we'll see.  To be 
honest, kudos to GMail for *just* flagging that newsletter as spam. 
Amazing that their initial server-based filters don't just bitbucket 
them.

FWIW,
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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-08 Thread Stephen Conrad

I believe I did add them.
As I stated in another post, ONLY Chicken Soup for the Soul is dumped to Spam.
The Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Angel, Bible Reading and Prayer
ones come through just fine.

On 10/8/08, gifutiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Oct 2, 4:54 pm, Stephen Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK, I had asked earlier about getting gmail to stop putting something
 into the SPAM folder.
 I tried what was suggested. I set the preferences to NEVER PUT INTO
 SPAM FOLDER that particular email. It is STILL putting it into the
 SPAM folder. How do I get it to stop doing that? It is something I
 subscribed to (one of the Beliefnet mailing lists) and I have NEVER
 marked it as Spam.

 --
 Steve Conrad
 Henrietta, MO 64036

 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
 to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
- Capt. Henry Gloval

 (\__/)
 (='.'=)
 ()_()
 Help Bunny Take Over The World!

 Greetings Steve ( + )!( + )

 Did you read (at the bottom of the
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 PROTECTED]nls=22%7c51%7c49%7cspid=)
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 And did you add the partner.beliefnet.com address to your GMAIL
 address book?

 If not perhaps you should give it a try.

 Best regards,

 Harry
 ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø
  (-_-)zzz
 



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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-08 Thread Stephen Conrad

On 10/8/08, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

 I believe I did add them.
 As I stated in another post, ONLY Chicken Soup for the Soul is
 dumped to Spam.
 The Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Angel, Bible Reading and Prayer
 ones come through just fine.



 Maybe your computer just prefers minestrone over chicken soup. 8-P

I prefer Split Pea myself (with ham just means an added bonus) and New
England Clam Chowder  :)



 At this point you need intervention from the GMail admins, or you need
 to use a different email client.

I did email the folks a Gmail. They freely admit on their site that
they provide only VERY LIMITED Support since Gmail is free.


 With a client like Mail or Thunderbird you could at least write a rule
 moving it back out of the junk folder...I don't know when Gmail
 applies it's filtering, whether pre or post delivery. (Ie it filters
 before putting it in your inbox, or opening your inbox triggers the
 filtering rules.)

 --
 Bruce Johnson
 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group

 Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs

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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-07 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 Hmmm, Iam logged into mail.google.com
 I gave up on Apple's mail client when you had to pay to use it (I
 assume this is right)

He was talking about the Mail application in OS X which you do not  
have to pay to use (at least beyond buying OS X in the first place),  
not the .Mac mail

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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-07 Thread Doug Burton


On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



 On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 Hmmm, Iam logged into mail.google.com
 I gave up on Apple's mail client when you had to pay to use it (I
 assume this is right)

 He was talking about the Mail application in OS X which you do not
 have to pay to use (at least beyond buying OS X in the first place),
 not the .Mac mail

 --  
 Bruce Johnson

What Bruce said.  I use the mail client included with OS X to check  
my Gmail account.  I've had no problems at all.

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-07 Thread Stephen Conrad

On 10/7/08, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 6:54 PM -0600 10/6/2008, Stephen Conrad wrote:
Hmmm, Iam logged into mail.google.com

 In Gmail, view the Spam mailbox.  Locate the erroneous-placed
 message(s), select them, and click Not Spam.

- Done this repeatedly. It still ends up in SPAM no matter how I do this
(Done the mark the unopened mail and click Not Spam)
(Did the open the message and click Not Spam)

I gave up on Apple's mail client when you had to pay to use it (I
assume this is right)

 Never assume.

 Apple Mail is *free*.  It supports both POP2 and IMAP.

 Using such a client to talk to GMail works VERY well.  Google
 supports both POP3 and IMAP.  FWIW, I prefer POP3.  I know Bruce
 likes IMAP.

- Every time I fire up Mail it goes to .Mac


 Perhaps you've confused GMail with Yahoo! Mail.  The latter is free
 for web access but they charge a fee for POP3 service.

- I knew Yahoo! charged but everyone I know who uses Gmail does so
from their web browser.


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Henrietta, MO 64036

The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-07 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 7, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 Using such a client to talk to GMail works VERY well.  Google
 supports both POP3 and IMAP.  FWIW, I prefer POP3.  I know Bruce
 likes IMAP.

 - Every time I fire up Mail it goes to .Mac

Huh? You get an option during the initial setup to set up a 60-day  
trial of .Mac, maybe it got set up then.

Go into the prefs, click on Accounts and delete the .Mac account. Then  
add any one you want.

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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-06 Thread gifutiger

Greetings ( + )!( + )

Steve you should create (in mail preferences) a Rule that tells mail
what to do with the mail that you don't want put into SPAM.
You should also put it at the top of the list, and be sure to uncheck
the box in the preferences menu Junk Mail that says Trust junk mail
headers set by my Internet Services Provider and also the one that
says Filter junk mail before applying my rules other wise the rule
that you create won't take effect.

Harry
San Jose, Ca 95124
ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø


On Oct 5, 4:17 pm, Stephen Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have tried to keep this out of my SPAM folder but I am failing.
  It is the _ONLY_ Beliefnet email that ends up there.
  I even have gone so far as to mark (in the Contacts for Gmail) the
  option to Never Put It In The SPAM Folder.
  Still, it ends up in SPAM and nothng I do stops this.
  The email is from: Beliefnet, Chicken Soup for the Soul
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have tried the Help group for Gmail to no avail (done what they
 suggested already)
  Maybe you can help me.

 --
 Steve Conrad
 Henrietta, MO 64036

 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
 to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-06 Thread Stephen Conrad

How do I create this rule?

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:45 AM, gifutiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Greetings ( + )!( + )

 Steve you should create (in mail preferences) a Rule that tells mail
 what to do with the mail that you don't want put into SPAM.
 You should also put it at the top of the list, and be sure to uncheck
 the box in the preferences menu Junk Mail that says Trust junk mail
 headers set by my Internet Services Provider and also the one that
 says Filter junk mail before applying my rules other wise the rule
 that you create won't take effect.

 Harry
 San Jose, Ca 95124
 ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø


 On Oct 5, 4:17 pm, Stephen Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have tried to keep this out of my SPAM folder but I am failing.
  It is the _ONLY_ Beliefnet email that ends up there.
  I even have gone so far as to mark (in the Contacts for Gmail) the
  option to Never Put It In The SPAM Folder.
  Still, it ends up in SPAM and nothng I do stops this.
  The email is from: Beliefnet, Chicken Soup for the Soul
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have tried the Help group for Gmail to no avail (done what they
 suggested already)
  Maybe you can help me.

 --
 Steve Conrad
 Henrietta, MO 64036

 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
 to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
- Capt. Henry Gloval

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Henrietta, MO 64036

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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-06 Thread Stephen Conrad

Hmmm, Iam logged into mail.google.com
I gave up on Apple's mail client when you had to pay to use it (I
assume this is right)
I looked and my Chicken Soup email from Beliefnet was AGAIN in the Spam folder.
*Sighs*
I did email Google about this but they freely admit at the Gmail help
site that they more often than not do NOT answer emails.

On 10/6/08, Doug Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Stephen I think Harry assumed you are using the OS X mail client.  If
 you aren't using the mail client in OS X to check your Gmail, then
 this won't work.

 Just a message from Doug...

 On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 How do I create this rule?

 On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:45 AM, gifutiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Greetings ( + )!( + )

 Steve you should create (in mail preferences) a Rule that tells
 mail
 what to do with the mail that you don't want put into SPAM.
 You should also put it at the top of the list, and be sure to uncheck
 the box in the preferences menu Junk Mail that says Trust junk
 mail
 headers set by my Internet Services Provider and also the one that
 says Filter junk mail before applying my rules other wise the rule
 that you create won't take effect.

 Harry
 San Jose, Ca 95124
 ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø


 On Oct 5, 4:17 pm, Stephen Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have tried to keep this out of my SPAM folder but I am failing.
  It is the _ONLY_ Beliefnet email that ends up there.
  I even have gone so far as to mark (in the Contacts for Gmail) the
  option to Never Put It In The SPAM Folder.
  Still, it ends up in SPAM and nothng I do stops this.
  The email is from: Beliefnet, Chicken Soup for the Soul
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have tried the Help group for Gmail to no avail (done what they
 suggested already)
  Maybe you can help me.

 --
 Steve Conrad
 Henrietta, MO 64036

 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle
 behind;
 to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
- Capt. Henry Gloval

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 Help Bunny Take Over The World!





 --
 Steve Conrad
 Henrietta, MO 64036

 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
 to go forth and claim our place in outer space.
- Capt. Henry Gloval


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Henrietta, MO 64036

The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
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   - Capt. Henry Gloval


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Re: Gmail Question

2008-10-06 Thread Charles Davis


On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 Hmmm, Iam logged into mail.google.com
 I gave up on Apple's mail client when you had to pay to use it (I
 assume this is right)

You may be right, but I've never heard of it!!!

You may be thinking of .Mac as a 'pay' operation.

Chuck D.


 I looked and my Chicken Soup email from Beliefnet was AGAIN in the  
 Spam folder.
 *Sighs*
 I did email Google about this but they freely admit at the Gmail help
 site that they more often than not do NOT answer emails.


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