Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
You’re welcome. One thing I forgot to mention: to work comfortably, TeamViewer needs relatively fast internet connections on both computers. So try it out before building your way of working on it. And I just wanted to mention also that I got a really good feeling from this thread. If you’d want to showcase the merits of web groups, this discussion is a good candidate for the winner! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
Tina, You're right, of course. And, believe it or not, I posted this 3 days ago. I don't know who's holding on to my posts for this long, but I will definitely find out. Soon. Sorry if I'm writing you directly, but otherwise it'll be 3 days before you see my answer. HTH, Felix On Nov 22, 11:18 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/11/21 10:37, Ashgrove so eloquently wrote: The simplest, less convolute way to do this would be to set a single user account for all Simple initially but in the long run it could become far more trouble as one user sets something (such as a home page, iTunes setting, etc…) and another user tries to fix it but in the process changes other settings and it just snowballs from there. I think a little effort now will save a lot of effort later. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
Geke suggested that I can remotely administer the computer via TeamViewer, but it's really too much money for me to pay. Sorry for responding so late, but I wanted to really check this: the TeamViewer I know is completely free for private use. http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx Greetings, Geke -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On Nov 28, 3:00 pm, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: the TeamViewer I know is completely free for private use Thank you, Geke, for reinforcing your point, which changes the situation entirely. I will look into TeamViewer! -- Michael -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
Showing you're a nice guy is nothing to apologise for. Best Ted (in the UK) From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@frontier.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 26 November, 2010 1:37:43 Subject: Re: How should a family of five share one computer? On 11/25/10 12:52 PM, Dana Collins of dlcatft...@frontier.com sent Well, hello Michael. I have a few moments of from my turkey duty and discovered this nice summary notice from you. Etc... Colleagues. This was meant to go directly to Michael, and I obviously goofed. My profound apologies to all, though the holiday blessing can be mutually received. Sheepishly yours, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
After hearing from several thoughtful members of this group, I have settled on some simple strategies for making my family of five safe from themselves and each other as far as communally operating one home computer system. A review of the reports and thanks are in order. First to respond was Bruce, who seems to read everything on this list and has an answer for everything. He recommended that guest accounts would go far in protecting operations, along with setting some parental controls for the kids in particular. Among responders, this was a popular suggestion. While I had stated that I'd give the admin account to the mom of the household, some folks suggested that I create another admin account for myself, just in case I ever needed to step in and save the bacon on the computer system. Felix went a step beyond and suggested that I alone maintain the secret of the password, not even bother to share it with the family, and effectively become the administrator of the computer system myself. I suspect that this is the route to take for right now; when someone in the household steps up and shows me that they are capable of handling stuff, I can set them up with admin powers. Jack reinforced this strategy with an off-list response, quoting his experience with his mother's computer. Geke suggested that I can remotely administer the computer via TeamViewer, but it's really too much money for me to pay. Someone else with very deep pockets, it might be fine. Another off-list response came from Eric, who told me that he provides helpful how-to documents when he gives computers to new users, and sent me examples of those by attachment. I cannot guarantee my users will read them, but it sounds like a very good way to proceed. Tina recommended setting a firmware password. That sounds like it would be overkill in my target situation, but it's a very strong security precaution that might work well for me at my own workplace computer. And last, Dana contacted me off-line to tell me that he or she condones giving computers away to underprivileged families, and makes a routine out of this. Dana mentioned that a family member of him or her came up through some hard times, and felt some sympathy for my cause. Going beyond the box, Dana offered me some additional, free software to make computer life better for my clan-in-law! I would like to extend a special thank-you to Dana. :-D On Thanksgiving Day, I would like to thank everybody who gave my query their consideration and time. I hope that you give your families your love and attention today as well. -- Michael Emery http://memery.home.texas.net/ There is no bad music, only bad performances. -- Ornette Coleman -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
Well, hello Michael.
I have a few moments of from my turkey duty and discovered this nice
summary notice from you.
Thank you for your kind words and for sharing with me (in a prior post) some
cogent thoughts about your niece - with your permission, I'll continue
holding thoughts and prayers on her behalf.
I'm happy to say that the copy of iWorks I sent you ('08) is brand new still
in shrink wrap, unregistered, so that your niece can regard herself is *the*
lawful owner of the product (or you!). I do hope it helps a lot to your
cause.
My offer for a free copy of iLife 06 OR '08 (I have extra copies of those
too, as mentioned) still stands, so if and when things change and you feel
that the family is ready for it, give me a holler and I'll send one along.
A Happy Thanksgiving and Holiday season to you and yours.
Best regards,
Dana
(P.S. - of him or her... him :-)
On 11/25/10 11:19 AM, Michael Emery of mem...@texas.net sent
After hearing from several thoughtful members of this group, I have
settled on some simple strategies for making my family of five safe
from themselves and each other as far as communally operating one home
computer system. A review of the reports and thanks are in order.
First to respond was Bruce, who seems to read everything on this list
and has an answer for everything. He recommended that guest accounts
would go far in protecting operations, along with setting some
parental controls for the kids in particular. Among responders, this
was a popular suggestion.
While I had stated that I'd give the admin account to the mom of the
household, some folks suggested that I create another admin account
for myself, just in case I ever needed to step in and save the bacon
on the computer system. Felix went a step beyond and suggested that I
alone maintain the secret of the password, not even bother to share it
with the family, and effectively become the administrator of the
computer system myself. I suspect that this is the route to take for
right now; when someone in the household steps up and shows me that
they are capable of handling stuff, I can set them up with admin
powers. Jack reinforced this strategy with an off-list response,
quoting his experience with his mother's computer.
Geke suggested that I can remotely administer the computer via
TeamViewer, but it's really too much money for me to pay. Someone else
with very deep pockets, it might be fine.
Another off-list response came from Eric, who told me that he provides
helpful how-to documents when he gives computers to new users, and
sent me examples of those by attachment. I cannot guarantee my users
will read them, but it sounds like a very good way to proceed.
Tina recommended setting a firmware password. That sounds like it
would be overkill in my target situation, but it's a very strong
security precaution that might work well for me at my own workplace
computer.
And last, Dana contacted me off-line to tell me that he or she
condones giving computers away to underprivileged families, and makes
a routine out of this. Dana mentioned that a family member of him or
her came up through some hard times, and felt some sympathy for my
cause. Going beyond the box, Dana offered me some additional, free
software to make computer life better for my clan-in-law! I would like
to extend a special thank-you to Dana. :-D
On Thanksgiving Day, I would like to thank everybody who gave my query
their consideration and time. I hope that you give your families your
love and attention today as well.
--
Michael Emery
http://memery.home.texas.net/
There is no bad music, only bad performances.
--
Ornette Coleman
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Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On 2010/11/25 09:19, Michael Emery so eloquently wrote: On Thanksgiving Day, I would like to thank everybody who gave my query their consideration and time. I hope that you give your families your love and attention today as well. Thank you for your thoughtful words Michael. I hope that you and yours have a wonderful Thanksgiving and if you run into any issues with your generous gift to your niece I'm sure the list will be happy to help as best we can. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On 11/25/10 12:52 PM, Dana Collins of dlcatft...@frontier.com sent Well, hello Michael. I have a few moments of from my turkey duty and discovered this nice summary notice from you. Etc... Colleagues. This was meant to go directly to Michael, and I obviously goofed. My profound apologies to all, though the holiday blessing can be mutually received. Sheepishly yours, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
set a single user account for all Simple initially but in the long run it could become far more trouble I agree; also you'd want to give each kid their own desktop, picture folder, etc. The extra Admin account for yourself is a good idea, especially as their mom might change the password, then forget it. One other thing you could add is TeamViewer, so you can check the QuickSilver from your home. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On Nov 22, 10:42 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: And set a firmware password. Tina Setting a firmware password introduces some admin complexity. A Google search shows that people can have problems doing it correctly. Here is Apple's article on how to proceed. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1352 With Time Machine and Parental Controls, it may not be necessary to do this, at least until the kids prove that you must do it. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On 11/21/10 3:36 PM, t...@savingus.org wrote: On 11/21/10 8:38 AM, Michael Emery wrote: This is a question about how to set up a Quicksilver dual so that a family can best use it, without disturbing the other family members parts. you forgot an important step. They need to lock up the OS X disk, away from kids. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On 2010/11/22 20:35, Charles Lenington so eloquently wrote: you forgot an important step. They need to lock up the OS X disk, away from kids. And set a firmware password. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
Michael, The simplest, less convolute way to do this would be to set a single user account for all with administrative rights but to set a password that only the mom knows, and then scare her silly with horror stories about people who delete stuff on their computers. It may sound somewhat cruel, but there is nothing more dangerous than an overconfident, computer illiterate person. Tell her that Steve Jobs will personally come to her house and break her fingers, or something. The kids will manage all right. It's always useful to have a separate admin account that only gets used if the user account gets messed up. And I would keep its password to myself if I were you, knowing that you are most likely going to be their IT guy. Another scenario would be to enable fast user switching and set a non- admin user account for each family member, so they can have some privacy, although with parental controls strictly in place. Just my two non-professional cents... :-) HTH, Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On 2010/11/21 10:37, Ashgrove so eloquently wrote: The simplest, less convolute way to do this would be to set a single user account for all Simple initially but in the long run it could become far more trouble as one user sets something (such as a home page, iTunes setting, etc…) and another user tries to fix it but in the process changes other settings and it just snowballs from there. I think a little effort now will save a lot of effort later. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Michael Emery wrote: Some of ya'll are managers of computer systems both large and small, and have lots of valuable experience. I'm thinking of installing Leopard and providing a Time Machine backup hard drive. Would you recommend that I give them one admin account on the Quicksilver, known only by the mom, and one guest account for each family member to use? And of course, I will train them all the best I can. Took the words right out of my mouth. That's the way I'd go. Also consider appropriate Parental Control setups for the kid's accounts. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
Sounds good. Those G4 duals are fantastic little computers, and she probably would love it. Those middle school age kids would love a computer. Myself being an HS student, I couldn't imagine getting through 8th and 9th GD without my trusty Wallstreet. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Michael Emery wrote: Some of ya'll are managers of computer systems both large and small, and have lots of valuable experience. I'm thinking of installing Leopard and providing a Time Machine backup hard drive. Would you recommend that I give them one admin account on the Quicksilver, known only by the mom, and one guest account for each family member to use? And of course, I will train them all the best I can. Took the words right out of my mouth. That's the way I'd go. Also consider appropriate Parental Control setups for the kid's accounts. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On 11/21/10 8:38 AM, Michael Emery wrote: This is a question about how to set up a Quicksilver dual so that a family can best use it, without disturbing the other family members parts. MAKE AN ACCOUNT FOR EACH CHILD that keeps them from any application you don't want them to have access to (and keeps them from seeing the hard drive even). The Mom would her account with admin rights... but just for an extra measure of protection, I would add in another Administrator account too - that YOU might use in case everything get's really screwed up - you could still log-in under your user name and password and fix stuff. [Please realize I only used 10.4.11 Tiger, but the basic stuff I think is still the same. Also realize these were directions to a parent] When my 5 year old daughter logs on, she only sees a few educational games, lots of non-educational dress up Flash Games and only the educational websites I've bookmarked for her in Safari. My 10 year old son sees the educational websites I've bookmarked for him in Safari (you can completely block them from the Internet too), some games and some apps (like OOo4Kids - a fantastic version of OpenOffice for children). For both my kids they do not see the full Finder, so they don't have access to the Hard Drive and other things I don't want them messing with. TO CREATE A USER ACCOUNT: go to Apple/System Preferences/System Accounts (two silhouettes). Click the lock on the bottom left if it's locked and put in your username and password. Then click the little plus + sign above the padlock to add a new account. Put in your child's name or nick-name, give them a password, type the password in again to verify, Describe the password in a hint for them if you want and click the Create Account button. DON'T click Allow this user to Administer the computer unless they are old enough/experienced enough to do so. If they are fairly young, or you're just worried about them messing with stuff they shouldn't (I know I am) YOU SHOULD click the checkbox for Simple Finder. You can pick a picture to go along with the account, check off any apps you want to start up automatically in Login Items, and then click the Parental Controls button. From there, Click Application and Finder to pick which apps you want your child to have access to (for Flash Game access, make sure the application iSwif is checked in Finder and Applications). If you choose to allow your child(ren) to have access to the Internet, click on Safari too - in both the front screen of Parental Controls and in the list of Apps under Finder and Applications. For Safari, you have to then log in as them, Run the Full Finder, Open Safari, go to Safari/Preferences.../Security/ and uncheck the Enable Parental Controls box - Delete any bookmarks you don't want, add any bookmarks you do, then enable parental controls again, go back to Simple Finder. Later, if you are just adding one website for your child, you can just make them turn the other way, put in your user name and password and bookmark the site. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
