Re: USB modem speed
I bought an apple usb modem off ebay for my emac, but ended up using it with my macbook. Works great and no special drivers required. Here is the link http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA034Z/A On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: At 7:38 PM -0800 11/19/2008, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: One limitation I have not seen mentioned recently is the practice of some TelComs of doubling their subscribers in remote rural areas by Pair Gaining the existing Copper Pairs that service the remote areas. Nasty practice. Not compatible with V.92 either, as I recall, because of the extra a/d conversions, so the modem has to fall back to the older standards. Apple at one time had a small app for download that would allow the user to easily modify the Phone Script. The scripts are plain text; no special app was ever required. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth I dimly recall that the Apple App had a mini-tutorial and User guide that explained the Hayes Modem Scripts and the effect of various combinations of the commands in plain English. That made it easy for the novice to Modem Scripting to achieve their goals. The actual script writing was reduced to a few key strokes. Admittedly the scripts were not optimum but when faced with new terminology and deplorable references with personal ignorance any help is thankfully received. Once the initial hurdles were past I never used the Apple Pgm again. ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB modem speed
At 7:38 PM -0800 11/19/2008, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: One limitation I have not seen mentioned recently is the practice of some TelComs of doubling their subscribers in remote rural areas by Pair Gaining the existing Copper Pairs that service the remote areas. Nasty practice. Not compatible with V.92 either, as I recall, because of the extra a/d conversions, so the modem has to fall back to the older standards. Apple at one time had a small app for download that would allow the user to easily modify the Phone Script. The scripts are plain text; no special app was ever required. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB modem speed
At 7:38 PM -0800 11/19/2008, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: One limitation I have not seen mentioned recently is the practice of some TelComs of doubling their subscribers in remote rural areas by Pair Gaining the existing Copper Pairs that service the remote areas. Nasty practice. Not compatible with V.92 either, as I recall, because of the extra a/d conversions, so the modem has to fall back to the older standards. Apple at one time had a small app for download that would allow the user to easily modify the Phone Script. The scripts are plain text; no special app was ever required. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth I dimly recall that the Apple App had a mini-tutorial and User guide that explained the Hayes Modem Scripts and the effect of various combinations of the commands in plain English. That made it easy for the novice to Modem Scripting to achieve their goals. The actual script writing was reduced to a few key strokes. Admittedly the scripts were not optimum but when faced with new terminology and deplorable references with personal ignorance any help is thankfully received. Once the initial hurdles were past I never used the Apple Pgm again. ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB modem speed
At 8:30 AM -0600 11/19/2008, lampbay wrote: I've been using the Apple USB modems with a slow dialup line and the best I get is 26400 - usually 24000. Ok. So your initial carrier speed is low. But then to what speed does it later retrain? IF the usable carrier remains that slow, over a V.90 dial-up, then you have telephone line noise problems. You should fix that. With all the money the government is printing for investment firms, banks, insurance companies and maybe auto manufacturers, why don't they provide fiber optic delivery of HDTV, telephone, radio and Internet service to every home? If you can get xDSL over 200 Kbps then it's already done. (200 Kbps is the FCC's baseline criteria for broadband. Yes, it's so low it's made us a world-wide joke.) Besides getting basic phone services to most rural areas, that's what the Universal Services Fund did. Of course, that massive fund has now been dumped into the general fund, so it vanished in a puff of national debt. These days, it's being used to wire schools. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB modem speed
At 8:30 AM -0600 11/19/2008, lampbay wrote: I've been using the Apple USB modems with a slow dialup line and the best I get is 26400 - usually 24000. Ok. So your initial carrier speed is low. But then to what speed does it later retrain? IF the usable carrier remains that slow, over a V.90 dial-up, then you have telephone line noise problems. You should fix that. With all the money the government is printing for investment firms, banks, insurance companies and maybe auto manufacturers, why don't they provide fiber optic delivery of HDTV, telephone, radio and Internet service to every home? If you can get xDSL over 200 Kbps then it's already done. (200 Kbps is the FCC's baseline criteria for broadband. Yes, it's so low it's made us a world-wide joke.) Besides getting basic phone services to most rural areas, that's what the Universal Services Fund did. Of course, that massive fund has now been dumped into the general fund, so it vanished in a puff of national debt. These days, it's being used to wire schools. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth One limitation I have not seen mentioned recently is the practice of some TelComs of doubling their subscribers in remote rural areas by Pair Gaining the existing Copper Pairs that service the remote areas. In my former home in Central California, 35 miles of cable from the nearest CO, the TelCom pair gained the existing T-1 effectively making 2X T-1 out of the existing T-1. In the process they reduced the 56K internet service to 24K. The Pair Gain is accomplished by time sharing the incoming T-1 line to provide 2 out going lines. This requires A-D conversion that reduces the available Bandwidth for the two outgoing lines. When I complained they just said they only guaranteed noise free Voice communication. The service was clamped at 24K during most hours of the day. I could achieve download speeds of near 1000K for the first few seconds until the clamp was activated. This was most noticeable at around 3 AM when the other, about 100 phones, more normal people were sleeping. I did find out that Twisted Pair Copper would support 1000K downloads when there was no repeaters or shunts in the phone line run and if the the line was quiet. That 1000K was as reported by the Test site. I used iCab set to not display Images to download a 1+M Image of a Sea Turtle. The site then calculated the Time to complete the download. It would seem the Modem must have had a large Buffer. Apple at one time had a small app for download that would allow the user to easily modify the Phone Script. I played with it in a vain attempt to increase my download speed before I discovered the Pair Gain dodge the TelCom was using. I used an External Modem given to me by a PC friend that claimed it had some special computer inside the box. I think I still have all that stuff amongst my treasures. As I recall it was marked as a 33.6K Modem but in reality, when properly scripted, it had no limit I ever found. I was using an Umax S-900 233M Mac OS 8.1, 9.1 and 9.2.2 What a difference a DSL line makes and MacX. ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB modem speed
At 10:31 AM -0700 11/18/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Dan wrote: At 8:15 AM -0500 11/18/2008, Carl M. Alexander wrote: Recently when having trouble with a G4 Mac Mini, I set up a PM7500 with a serial modem. It ran at 49333 bps. Using either of 2 Apple branded USB modems with the Mini, the speed is 28800 or 31200 bps. This is all with the same phone line. Anyone out there had a similar experience? See Bruce's reply. That reported number is just the *initial* carrier speed, so it means little. Worse, that reported number is just the driver's guess at the reported speed. some old OS 9 modem files simply reported everything at a single speed. DCE vs DTE speed. The old scripts let the modem report DTE - the speed between the modem and the Mac, which was always the same, instead of DCE - the speed of the carrier. I used to hack the scripts to fix that. Eventually Apple started changing 'em. And then there was Modem Magic, which was purported to be special high-speed modem scripts for the Classic OS. All they did was set the modem string to ATF8 which was standard AT 'run with all your fast doo-dads enabled' default command, then published a totally bogus number. LOL. I wrote tailored scripts and such for several apps, back in the day. We did that - we had scripts that turned on all the features and we had scripts that disabled some on certain model modems. If your phone line is noisy, sometime it helps to lock things down a bit. Ah, the good ole days, when you could make a living because you spoke voodoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB modem speed
On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Dan wrote: spoke voodoo . . . . now your talking SCSI!!! Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
