Re: netflix
Peter, I have NEVER modified in any way the SilverLight installer to make it install on a Hackintosh. I've installed SilverLight on 7 different Hackintosh systems, with NO modification. What system did you install on that required a modification? Usually, I install applications on my Hacks using a USB flash drive. That drive has an instance of the Silverlight which has already had the installation_check module removed from the installer. Hence, it is possible, even likely, that I have experienced one or even several cases where such removal actually wasn't required. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 15, 7:46 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Yank the motherboard and PS out of the case, install a compatible intel mobo, make into a very mac-esque Hackintosh http://www.webfusion.net.nz/g4pc/ %-P Netflix is absolutely Intel-only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v Also, the amount of work involved to make a G4 compatible with PC parts will take more time than what it's worth vs. getting a mid tower PC case that will support ATX or Micro ATX mobos and standard power supplies that will fit in these cases. Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v As I stated earlier, there IS a Silverlight installer for PPC Macs. The Intel version is also applicable to AMD as both are Intel_64/i386, although Silverlight actually will only run in 32-bit mode. You have to relaunch the browser in 32-bit mode, as Snow Leopard defaults the applications to 64-bit mode, even if the Snow Leopard kernel was booted in 32-bit mode (arch=i386). Also, the amount of work involved to make a G4 compatible with PC parts will take more time than what it's worth vs. getting a mid tower PC case that will support ATX or Micro ATX mobos and standard power supplies that will fit in these cases. Obviously, it was more time than I was willing to expend. Simply installing the Silverlight product on my G4 Mac Mini was not enough, although the installer DID NOT OBJECT. However, once Netflix was running on the browser, it told me that the PPC platform was not supported, not withstanding the fact that Silverlight installed on this platform without objection. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 17, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Michael G.M. wrote: On Apr 15, 7:46 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Yank the motherboard and PS out of the case, install a compatible intel mobo, make into a very mac-esque Hackintosh http://www.webfusion.net.nz/g4pc/ %-P Netflix is absolutely Intel-only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v Pedantically true and absolutely irrelevant within the context of this mailing list. IN that contect 'Intel only'refers to Macs based on Intel chipsets. Who gives a rats patootie that silverlight runs on AMD as well? The whole POINT of AMD is that they're cheap Intel X86 compatible clone cpus. If they don't run software designed for intel systems they petty much don't work as clones, do they? You don't go out and buy Windows for AMD do you? No. Therefore this is a pointless distinction. Also, the amount of work involved to make a G4 compatible with PC parts will take more time than what it's worth vs. getting a mid tower PC case that will support ATX or Micro ATX mobos and standard power supplies that will fit in these cases. OHai! Srsly? It was a joke... -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v In the parlance of G3-5-list, the term Intel only means as opposed to PPC (Power PC processors used on G3-5 Macs). AMD chipsets are considered Intel compatible and thus included within the expression Intel only. As I stated earlier, there IS a Silverlight installer for PPC Macs. AFAIK the only PPC Silverlight version is version 1.0, and Silverlight is currently up into version 4.0. I've never seen any Silverlight media that will play on the PPC version 1.0 of Silverlight. If you have a link to a working installation of Silverlight 4.0 for PPC Macs please post that link. I don't believe there is ANY Silverlight media that works with PPC Silverlight version 1.0. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 17, 2011, at 4:28 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v As I stated earlier, there IS a Silverlight installer for PPC Macs. Yes, Silverlight version 1, which pretty much ANY silverlight-based web site or tool on the planet does NOT use, since it was superseded by the much more capable version 2 in a matter of months. Silverlight 1 was essentially the Proof-of-Concept; it wasn't even remotely a Flash replacement until version 2. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 17, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Michael G.M. wrote: On Apr 15, 7:46 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v Not quite. AMD -is- Intel compatible. Generally... any software that runs on Intel, runs on AMD. So perhaps a better phrase might have been Intel compatible only. Emulators? Not a clue, but the software would still see an Intel compatible processor. Also, the amount of work involved to make a G4 compatible with PC parts will take more time than what it's worth vs. getting a mid tower PC case that will support ATX or Micro ATX mobos and standard power supplies that will fit in these cases. Probably true! Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
I run Netflix on several Hackintosh systems. There is NO modifying of any kind required to install SilverLight on a Hackintosh. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
I run Netflix on several Hackintosh systems. There is NO modifying of any kind required to install SilverLight on a Hackintosh. Well there IS a required alteration. The installation package must be opened and the installation_check module must be deleted, then the package must be closed. After that, Silverlight will install on any Hackintosh. Incidentally, the same alteration is necessary to get the PPC version of Silverlight to install on a Mini. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:33 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I run Netflix on several Hackintosh systems. There is NO modifying of any kind required to install SilverLight on a Hackintosh. Well there IS a required alteration. The installation package must be opened and the installation_check module must be deleted, then the package must be closed. After that, Silverlight will install on any Hackintosh. Humm, I've installed Silverlight on several Intel hackintosh without any modification to the installer necessary. Seems to work for me. What happens when you try to install without this alteration? Incidentally, the same alteration is necessary to get the PPC version of Silverlight to install on a Mini. Again, what PPC version are you talking about here? Version 1.0 is USELESS, and newer versions have no PPC code, so installing Intel code onto a PPC Mac won't work even if you can get the installer to run. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
Peter, I have NEVER modified in any way the SilverLight installer to make it install on a Hackintosh. I've installed SilverLight on 7 different Hackintosh systems, with NO modification. What system did you install on that required a modification? -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Pretty sure it has to be Intel. There is a knock off of SilverLining which I installed on a machine but the web page still choked on the browser, even trying to fake out the browser ID. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Yank the motherboard and PS out of the case, install a compatible intel mobo, make into a very mac-esque Hackintosh http://www.webfusion.net.nz/g4pc/ %-P Netflix is absolutely Intel-only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. It is a Netflix issue. Micosoft's Silverlight is available for PPC Macs, but Netflix won't support anything except Intel Macs (and, of course Intel Hacks, after making a few changes to the Silverlight installer package). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
Now we are talking! On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Yank the motherboard and PS out of the case, install a compatible intel mobo, make into a very mac-esque Hackintosh http://www.webfusion.net.nz/g4pc/ %-P Netflix is absolutely Intel-only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
I recently quit Netflix due to their practice of throttling. It would take weeks (7-12) to get discs that were available at Blockbuster a month prior and at Redbox later on. The turn-around time was getting slower slower for delivery and the attitude of customer service was getting testier. I live in an urban area have switched to the Blockbuster by mail program. I get one movie at a time by mail, trade it in at a Blockbuster store for another disc. I do the one disc at a time plan, and for $13/mo. I get about 10 - 11 discs a month. They also have streaming, but not for Mac. Netflix took awhile on that, also. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
On Jan 5, 1:12 am, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote: M$-hatred aside, it's really all about who delivers the DVDs I want to watch. Netflix does. Redbox doesn't. Amen to that. Netflix's movie selection is second only to Facets', and they're just too pricy. (By the way, I've just watched a Korean thriller, The Chaser, which I highly recommend.) As for streaming Netflix movies, the choices are several: some game consoles, some DVD players, a Roku box, and practically any cheap PC you can lay your hands on. And, of course, an iPhone or iPod touch, and any Intel Mac. A good video card won't hurt, either --I had a 2.2Ghz MacBook, and it couldn't quite stream movies in HD quality, but my 2Ghz iMac simply rocks HD content. Just my two cents. Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
At 9:23 AM -0400 7/4/2010, Norm Rowe wrote: I'm trying to watch movies Netflick on my G4 Mac but am told I need an Intel Mac. As I do not have that kind of money is there away around this? As I recall, Netflix is Silverlight based. MS Silverlight 1 is available for PPC, but then they went x86 only for Silverlight 2... Silverlight is MS' proprietary rip off of QuickTime and Flash with some .NET support thrown in. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
Because everyone knows how awesome proprietary codecs are! If you want to stream Netflix cheaply, you can buy a PS3 for $300 and send it right to your TV, but as for Mac, I don't know what kind of support there is. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:23 AM -0400 7/4/2010, Norm Rowe wrote: I'm trying to watch movies Netflick on my G4 Mac but am told I need an Intel Mac. As I do not have that kind of money is there away around this? As I recall, Netflix is Silverlight based. MS Silverlight 1 is available for PPC, but then they went x86 only for Silverlight 2... Silverlight is MS' proprietary rip off of QuickTime and Flash with some .NET support thrown in. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
On Jul 4, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Norm Rowe wrote: I'm trying to watch movies Netflick on my G4 Mac but am told I need an Intel Mac. As I do not have that kind of money is there away around this? Thanks Norm Used Intel Mac Mini(s) are starting to get reasonable. It is the way I plan to go since I no longer do high end graphics/publishing but wish to stay up-to-date regarding an OS. BTW, my practice has been to upgrade at every other major advance in processor(s). JT (Who's still surfin' with his G4 Gigabit) TODAY: iPads for $23.74? SPECIAL REPORT: iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 80% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c30b22a6d225195563st01vuc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
At 12:25 PM -0500 7/4/2010, Kris Tilford wrote: Avoid Netflix because of their tight affiliation with Microsoft. If enough people vote with their money, Netflix will either change or die. Exactly. Personally, I prefer to get my movies on DVD from my local public library. They have ~ 8000+ titles. And they can get anything they don't have thru the national Inter-Library Loan (ILL) system. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
On Jul 4, 2010, at 6:23 AM, Norm Rowe wrote: I'm trying to watch movies Netflick on my G4 Mac but am told I need an Intel Mac. As I do not have that kind of money is there away around this? Silverlight's installation check program, contained within the Silverlight installation package, checks the machine's model and rejects PPC Macks and all Hacks. If you remove the installation check program by opening the package and then dragging it to the trash, Silverlight will install, but it won't work on a PPC Mack. It will, however, work perfectly well on most Hacks. The early versions were tied to the E-net port, and device 0 (en0) was expected, and required. The more recent versions have relaxed the port requirements, and now device 1 (en1) and AirPort (en1 or posssibly en2) will work, although AirPort will give occasional interruptions for optimizing the turn- around time of the link. Watch Instantly works perfectly on a Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H with an i3-530 or 540, which is a pretty cheap Hack, as Hacks go. Gigabyte, and others, have been updating the BIOSes on their mobos to incorporate features specifically for running MacOS X. If the DSDT includes the AMAC variable, then it has the Hackintosh features already installed. If not, then these features can be retrofitted to most recent Gigabyte mobos. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but. Redbox has limited selection, and would cost me $2 in gas as well as 30 minutes total driving round trip twice. So that's $3/DVD, more if I hold it an extra day. Netflix, I can get about 8 movies on DVD in a month, with no driving, and can watch more on streaming to the TiVos. Why would I want NetFlix to die? On Jul 4, 1:25 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Redbox is cheap for movies. Avoid Netflix because of their tight affiliation with Microsoft. If enough people vote with their money, Netflix will either change or die. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
