Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-31 Thread shaun everiss
I am not sure about windoweyes, but one reason why I like nvda at least for simple apps using standard controls, is that nvda was built to take advantage of the libraries in the system. It uses all apis and is made with a scripting language meaning extra modules for it can be source scripted

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-30 Thread Pitermach
The reason screen readers actually used video intercept was back in the early 90's when windows and Office were taking off, there were no standardized Access API's. By the time those got developped the developers didn't really change well, most of them at least. Taking JAWS and NVDA as an

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-30 Thread dark
, 2011 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011 The reason screen readers actually used video intercept was back in the early 90's when windows and Office were taking off, there were no standardized Access API's. By the time those got developped the developers didn't

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, HmmmNow, that makes sense. As I understand it what you are saying is because Jaws and Window-Eyes date clear back to the Windows 3.x days and a lot of the APIs that are in Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 have didn't exist yet. Thus they used a video intercept to create an off-screen

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-30 Thread Michael Gauler
Hi, I am not sure if this is the whole truth... I can remember that JAWS 5 or 6 can be run on Windows 9x without you being forced to install a Video Intercept like driver on your PC. However on XP and maybe 2000 as well you are forced to do so. So, I am not entirely sure why it is on theese

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-29 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael, I'm not an expert on how the Jaws video intercept driver works, but apparently it somehow works in tandem with the existing Windows APIs to provide spoken feedback to what is on screen. The video intercept driver Jaws supplies is not where Jaws gets most of its information though.

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-29 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, I understand where you are coming from, and am just as annoyed at being stuck with having to use something like dosbox to play games that would or should be otherwise accessible if someone just wrote a proper interpreter for it. However, as a programmer I see where their coming from as

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-29 Thread dark
Hi tom. i know that is the usual situations as far as access goes, but to me there is a major difference betwene a game with huge amounts of agraphics that would require massive addaptation, and just printing some text to the screen. I have however had some good news, which is that the

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-29 Thread Michael Gauler
Hi Thomas, I see what you mean, but now I wonder... Firstly, why use Video Intercept or something else at all? My Desktop Computer has an NVIDIA Graphics card. Every year the NVIDIA software with drivers gets updated several times. If I update the Software and restart my machine as part of the

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-28 Thread Michael Gauler
Hi thomas, I have a very important question about this topic. I'll use JAWS as an example here, because I am not sure what other screen readers do. You said that any program which uses the Windows API is theoretically readable with a screen reader because the program broadcasts some

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-28 Thread dark
textual, but none standard controls was fine with hal. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Michael Gauler michael.gau...@gmx.de To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27

[Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-27 Thread dark
Hi. I recieved this from the Eamon delux announce mailing list, and to forstall questions, see http://audiogames.net/db.php?id=Eamon+delux I'm not however sure whether or not this is goodnews, sinse with what the developer says about Doxbox, I'm not sure if this also means the new version

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Unfortunately, this looks like a step backwards instead of forwards to me. The reason Dosbox is inaccessible to a screen reader is because it doesn't use the Windows API and uses a cross-platform generic graphics toolkit. Since it doesn't use an API the screen readers were designed to

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011

2011-12-27 Thread dark
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Eamon Deluxe Update-12-27-2011 Hi Dark, Unfortunately, this looks like a step backwards instead of forwards to me. The reason Dosbox is inaccessible to a screen reader is because