Hi Thom,
I said i was willing to be proved wrong. Thanks for the info!
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 08 August 2012 02:16
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm
The only software ocr that is that I have been using and would really
like to buy when I can afford it is the k1000 scanner and braille translater.
I have used for ages an now old and alegal version and I have liked it.
It costs 3000 bucks but behaves like a profesional office scanner program.
A
I use nvda all the time but you are right on that one.
I mostly use programs with standard controls or stuff that natively
communicates with nvda like the beta of eamon deluxe, however any
complex stuff I still have a good reader like supernova or hal.
There are still a few things itunes for ex
I also aggree with you alex I am a braille user havn't used it in ages though.
A major push is going for braille use.
The major issue is that electronic braillers are not computers.
Sure basic stuff can be done, sertain functions email office maybe a
little gaming and maybe some other bits and bo
I aggree darin.
There was a time where we had to fight for access.
Now that the seed is in some companies they are managing to get it to
work for them and are doing quite well in it.
Apple started it then all those games in the istore.
Then android, google was slow but they are catching on now.
Hi Ben,
On the contrary you are not correct. The Odyssey is one of two epic
poems believed to be written by Homer. According to Wikipedia it was
written during the 8th century B.C. Here is the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey
if you want more facts about the Odyssey.
Cheers!
On 8/7/12,
Hi Dark,
You are correct. Homer wrote the Odyssey as well as the Iliad. Virgil
transcribed the Odyssey into Latin about 800 years after the original
was written. I don't have the exact dates committed to memory here,
but most scholars believe the Odyssey was committed to paper around
the late 7th
Hi Dark,
just curious, what engineers have there been in the past who are blind?
I can't name that many historical famous blind people.
I know of I think a handful, Louis Braille obviously, John Millton, then
there was the king of bohemia think it was in the 12th or 13th century.
To give him cred
I thought ben that Virgil transcribed the odisy, sinse Virgil was writing at
the time of the Romans which was a good thousand years after the original,
though I could be wrong.
I'll have to ask my friend tomorrow who's a doctor of archaeology, unless
Tom happens to know.
Beware the Grue!
Da
Actually dark your wrong, from what I can remember as to who wrote the odisy
or the audesy as we would call it. I believe it was Homer who wrote the
Iliad, in fact I know so, and I think Virgil worte the Odisy as well as the
Aeneid.
If anyone can prove me wrong, go ahead. I don't mind.
-Origi
actually a similar thing happened to me a couple of years ago, when we had
literally three foot of snow and I couldn't get out, still worse the
heating completely broke, though luckily the power was still on.
I now have several packs of tins in my outhouse just in case, and several
candle
HiYohandy,
Unfortunately, there is no easy way to remap or reassign keys in NVDA.
NVDA's screen review commands are based on the old ASAP screen reader
rather than Jaws which is a big reason why it is unfamiliar to you.
However, once you get use to it the screen review isn't that bad. It
even make
Hi Alex.
Actually on the historical contributions of blind people there are more than
you think, blind poets and engineers, indeed under some historical
interpretations Homer, author of the most ancient griek epics like the odisy
was said to be blind, sinse obviously in a society which prized
Hi Darren,
Perhaps, but there is still one major issue to consider here. The
first is that Microsoft Windows still holds about 83% of the
mainstream PC market right now, and no matter how good Apple's
accessibility is or Linux's accessibility is the majority of blind
users will likely want a Windo
Think it's specific to the large square label, and quoted from the penfriend
tips and tricks that you could pull of the product webpage:
"6.1 Make four small labels from one large label
if you have several items to label that are the same, such as four tins of
baked beans, you can record the mes
It actually sounds like a great game! If only I knew lua if anyone is
willing to code the game or something...
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Sent: 07 August 2012 16:39
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject:
hello does anyone have a solution for the L&H voice issue i posted about a few
days ago?
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Hi Dark,
Point well taken. The sad fact of the matter is that the majority of
people living today lack basic survival skills. When there was the big
hype over y2k in the late 1990's a survey was done to determine how
many people had the basic survival skills to live several days or even
months wit
You can get the Pen Friend a bit cheaper at a Canadian store called Future
Aids: The Braille Bookstore. I bought mine and I believe it was $119.95 with
free shipping. Here is the link for the Pen Friend:
http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=PenFriend+Audio+Labeler
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Hi tom
Yeah certainly if I was relying on a laptop this is true. However the iPad
lasts for so long you wouldn't believe. Also I have 2 battery packs called
iCruisers which are fantastic. I took them on a 2 week boating trip a couple
months ago and I used them to charge my phone when I had need o
Hi Dark,
lol, your message made me smile, the part about the early humans.
To respond to it, if we are playing the what if game, if we had an
apocalypse we also wouldn't have the equipment for making frames and
styluses lol.
I suppose your right though, in an apocalypse I suspect almost all blin
Hi Alex,
Well,i don't know if I necessarily agree with your end of the world
scenario, since it seems rather far fetched, but I would agree that
all our so-called technology requires power. I have found myself in
the situation where we have a bad storm where the power goes out for
several hours, a
Hi Phil,
Interesting. At least I know where to get one when I have the cash. At
the moment its out of my price range. At the moment I'm wondering
where I'm going to get the cash for a bigger external drive since I'm
cash strapped. :D
On 8/7/12, Phil Vlasak wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> My friend got a p
Hi Phil.
Mine came with the same as far as instructions go, actually i rather like
the way it had the instructions on the packaging.
That's a good thought on the larger lables, I'll see if I have any uses for
them. Thus far it's been the small ones I've used as I said, labelling all
my cds,
Hi Dark,
We do have a pen friend and use it mainly on prescriptions.
I think they use a magnetic code like a cassette tape to store the unique
number.
So if you split one large label each part would have the same number and if
you recorded the first part as peanuts, and the second as lemon sweet
Hmmm, you could be right, though I don't remember anything in the
instructions about this, and if those large lables are to be split you'd
sort of expect them to have a clearer cut off point, or indeed be four
lables attached to one backing.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Think you can split the largest labels into quarters, since am pretty sure
they actually have like 4 instances of same micro optical bar code on each
quarter, so idea is to record one audio label/tag to be used on 4 instances
of same type of thing, or something...?
This is just me trying to re
Hi Alex.
I had a very similar experience as far as school goes. I'm afraid though,
while I do agree braille still has some minority uses, I'm not entirely
convinced by the "if the power went" arguement. Under that reasoning, well
shouldn't we all also stop using our electric ovens and learn to
Hi Phil.
Glad you found it. I'd recommend also looking for the packs of lables. The
one really irritating thing about the penfriend is that in typical Rnib
fashion, you can't just buy the lables you want but have to buy a pack.
There are two sizes, small ones the size of a coin which i mostly
I got one of those from the RNIB a couple of years ago - think they
initially developed it - and, they sell it for GBP71.95:
http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=labelling_penfriend&productID=DL7601
I buy things like that via their exports department:
expo...@rnib.org.u
Hi Thomas,
My friend got a pen friend and used it to label playing cards.
He adapted it with headphones so other couldn't here his cards.
It can be purchased from ILA or Amazon.
PenFriend Voice Labeling System
by ila
Price: $138.95
Ships from and sold by Independent Living Aids LLC.
Product Featur
I completely agree with you yohandi, with all the points. Its just such a
shame that something with such potential has a feature that is totally
unusable.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Yohandy
Sent: 07 August 2012 13:
Screen review is the reason I don't use NVDA to be honest. I've no idea how
to use the feature, and it doesn't appear to be well documented. in fact the
documentation is hard to get around and doesn't appear to be logically
organized. perhaps it's just me though? I'd definitely appreciate some h
Hi list, I have been reading this thread with interest.
speaking as someone who grew up using braille for the hole of what in
the UK is known as primary school, and in the US as elementary school as
well as for part of my secondary or highschool education I certainly
think braille will not be a
Well this is something I've been hoping that would come to pass for years
now, mainstream companies like apple kicking the butts of the adaptive tech
industry.
Personally I find it highly amusing to think that the likes of fs are going
to be hard put to it to compete now that apple have a fully fl
iPads rock! I have the 3 and I hardly use my win7 laptop now.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: 07 August 2012 13:10
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking
Typical! so no braille displays for anyone sinse apple grab the patant but
have done bugger all with it.
Capitalism is bad!
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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From: "Phil Vlasak"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N
hmmm I may even concider buying this.
yes it costs about 1200 bucks for the ipad but that is as much as a
low to mid end laptop.
and if they put phone service in it to then that baby will probably be mine.
I'll still use a windows laptop but at least I won't have to rely on
it for everything.
Another issue tom is that all organisations here don't understand other oses.
a lot of companies have contracts with 1 or more of the main previders.
So unless those corperations switched we whould still have the issue.
in some places I worked in they only recognised jaws.
in a test subject I did
well I aggree with you.
I have to much invested in windows to actually contemplate a switch just yet.
in windows I do a lot of stuff with nvda.
I do learn braille and do read but the computer takes my time these days.
I can also type faster than I could ever braille.
Reading it is still good thoug
Hi Dark,
What you describe, a plastic that changes shapes and forms braille on its
surface is a patent that Apple has filed for a few years ago.
Here is the article I posted:
Possible Apple tablet multi-touch tactile keyboard detailed
Thursday, December 24, 2009
By Neil Hughes
Published: 08:40
there are not to many braille computers.
the humanware stuff is windows ce but no games exist for that platform really.
there is the pack mate which is parmos and therefore has a better
time with programs but still.
At 06:50 a.m. 7/08/2012 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Damien,
You and Dark are absolut
Well I hope that this stuff comes soon.
A brailled apple device, windows phone or tablet or android device
would just be plain nerdy and with speech to.
all we need is tactile pictures on devices and we would be set.
At 11:44 a.m. 7/08/2012 +0100, you wrote:
Hi Tom.
Up until recently I would'
If all the blind tech dropped in price then I would be happy to get it.
braille is making a resergence in the education arieas here.
We don't get laptops we get braille displays now.
ofcause the units we use can cost from 7000 to 3 bucks depending
on where we get them from and I think they ar
Hi Tom.
I'm not sure about the penfriend and the us I'm afraid, sinse I got one from
the rnib here directly rather than from a different company, indeed I've
been amazed that the rnib sold something so usefull :D.
As regards braille displays, well the main problem is that currently the
brail
Hi Darren,
Oh, absolutely. That's why I use Linux as my primary operating system
these days. The cost of computer hardware has come down, most Windows
software is reasonably priced, but the cost of adaptive tech such as
screen readers and OCR programs like Openbook remain extremely high in
contras
Hi Dark,
I'll have to look around for a penfriend and try it out. I've never
seen one before, and you are the only person I know of who has one. So
perhaps they aren't widely in circulation here in the States.
However, I'll admit, for the sake of argument, it does sound easier
for someone to manag
Hi tom,
But you see this is the problem, computer tech prices have come down
dramatically over the years as you've pointed out, but the likes of screen
readers, braillers, displays etc haven't. they've stayed the same almost or
gone up in price and the companies wonder why people aren't buying?
A
Well braille would have a very big point if it was more affordable.
The simple fact of the matter is that people will buy to what they can
afford. Braille is something that people can't afford.
The other problem with braille is that it's so bulky in comparison. My
partner is reading lord of the r
Hi Damien,
You and Dark are absolutely right that cost of producing braille
material and using braille is far beyond the means of any average
blind person. That is definitely one of the leading causes of why
braille is dying out among the blind community. Its just too high to
be practical for some
Hi Darren.
I agree. The ironic thing is a pen friend will cost you 50 quid, and is the
size of a large felt tip pen.
Sinse getting one it's really made me question the point of braille.
Beware the Grue!
dArk.
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Hi Tom.
Up until recently I would've fully agreed with you that despite advances in
computer technology, the instant access braille provides for lables and
other bits of information is absolutely irriplaceable. However, the
penfriend has largely for me replaced the function braille used to per
Hi tom
I agree with dark in that the cost of braille devices is still way beyond
the average person's means. Basically braille is being killed by the price
tag attached to it.
Take a brailler for example, they are about £400 or something like that
anyway. they aren't portable, they're clunky, noi
Hi Dark,
Sadly, you are probably right. The number of people who claim braille
is no longer needed, braille is no longer useful, braille is outdated,
etc has been growing steadily over the last 20 years as computer
technology has improved. There are certain elements within the
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