Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles:

I had a similar experience growing up. For many years my mom, some
family friends, and I would have game nights every Friday or Saturday
night where we would play one card or board game well into the night.
Especially during the winter when it was too cold to do anything
outside. We played Monopoly, Yahtzee, Poker, Uno, and so on.

The thing I remember most is the interaction between everyone. We sat
around drinking cups of coffee or hot chocolate, munched on chips, and
talked. We told stories, exchanged jokes, and added the occasional
tease when someone screwed up or won big. The thing is playing
computer games just does not have the community interaction or same
fun as playing against human opponents.

Cheers!

On 12/4/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 One computer game that has been referred to as sort of like Monopoly on
 steroids is Mississippi.

 Tom:  You are absolutely right about the importance of board games when it
 comes to human interaction.  We used to do a lot of summer vacationing on
 the Colorado river.  Pinochle cards, a tactual version of Monopoly, and a
 copy of Yahtzee were always taken.  I kept my score using a slate and stylus

 and blank braille paper, the cards were brailled, and we had fun during the

 evenings if the weather was bad.  This was before I found computers or games

 played on them.  Later on, a chess set was added.

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Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread dark

Hi tom.

while I agree that card and board games do have value as games to play with 
others, at the same time computer games can have a similar feeling provided 
you have a group of like minded individuals together and provided the game 
is one that several people can have fun with rather than say a flight sim or 
complex stratogy game that requires massive attention.


I remember the occasion when i still lived in colidge where a couple of 
friends of mine visited me, but managed to turn up an hour early so I was in 
the shower. In defference of what to do, I literally yelled instructions 
through the bathroom door (I was living in one room in colidge with a single 
attached bathroom), for them to start up Jim Kitchin's game of life, and we 
played that while I finished my shower.


that was hilarious and good fun as well.

As well as playing Talisman and King of Tokio, my brother also regularly 
plays the marrio party games with his friends as well, which are intended as 
exactly what they say, ie party games, like computerised board games on the 
Wii. He also has recently bought the new Pokemon game and a 3ds, and when 
not playing a ccg with his friends they also challenge each other to Pokemon 
battles. Of course, since my brother is a major CCG player, he knows plenty 
of people who do that sort of thing, and indeed if the games (of either 
computerised or not), were accessible odds are I'd do the same more often 
with my rp friends.


It all seems to depend upon the games involved and the group of people and 
what they choose to do, though I will say where as computer games, even 
casual ones like marrio party or Jim Kitchin's  are something of their own 
interest, anyone can pick up a good amount of board games and play them out 
of the box, making them a far more universal thing.


That is  another reason I'd love to see more accessible interesting games.

Beware the Grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Charles Rivard
You can buy a standard deck of cards and braille them yourself if you have 
someone who will sort them in order for you, and it only takes a minute for 
them to do it.  I used to do it all the time.  The heck with those $20 
decks!


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Hi Dark:

Oh, yes. Any time something is developed for the blind, is marketed as
an access product, the cost is insane. Not because it costs that much
to actually make it, but because we are a captive minority market.

As you mentioned the novelty key ring finders only cost perhaps $5 USD
if that. In fact I use to have one where I could whistle and it would
start beeping to help me locate my keys. Since it was marketed as a
novelty item it was real cheap. I am sure if it was made for the
blind, marketed as a specialty item, I'd be looking at a key ring that
costs at least $50instead of $5 just because you can multiply the cost
by a factor of 10 being a specialty item.

I know when it comes to card and board games they definitely cost a
lot more than their mainstream counterparts. I think a deck of braille
playing cards is like $19 when a sighted person can go to Dollar
General or Family Dollar and get a standard deck for a dollar.
Something like Monopoly is about $50 for a braille set when a standard
Monopoly game is between $19 and $29 depending on if it is standard
Monopoly or a collectors edition.

However, I agree that even excluding material costs I don't think it
actually costs that much to produce accessible products. At least not
the cost we have to pay to get them from In dependant Living Aids,
RNIB, whatever. I know for a fact that the actual cost of making some
of those products is a fraction of what they actually charge for it.

Cheers!


On 12/4/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:

Hi tom.

Well while I agree on material costs, at the same time as you said 
yourself


the markup is frankly insane on access products, because it's a captive 
and


small markit manufacturers of accessible goods and providers of accessible
services basically charge through the roof. I think the worst I ever saw 
was


a device composed of an infra red sensor and buzzer. The idea was you 
could


put the sensor on an object or your seet etc, and press the buzzer to have
it bleep so you could locate it at a distance by hearing.

yes, a very handy device,  but not at £350,  that is around 600 
usd!


Heck, I know very little about electronics but even I! could make a guess
about how the circuites in those worked, and don't they sell novelty key
ring finders that do the same thing for about 1£10?

In fairness this isn't just with blindness, wheel chairs, hoists and other
equipment for physically disabled people is just as ridiculous, also there
are some accessible devices which aren't gougingly priced. I was quite
impressed for example to find that the pen friend labelling system I use
cost exactly £50 for the initial unit, and packs of 500 labels would cost
another £7.

Of course annoyingly the rnib   won't actually let you buy packs of just 
the


size you want  and only sells two basic selections, but there you go.

Still this shows not everything accessible has to be insanely expensive,
even if the raw materials will put the price up somewhat.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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[Audyssey] New Yorker Magazine Blog

2013-12-05 Thread Eleanor
Brian Schmidt from the IGDA Games Accessibility SIG mentioned this 
article.  This is the kind of main-stream article that can help promote 
mainstream involvement in accessible games.


http://www/newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/where-are-the-games-for-disabled-players.html


Eleanor Robinson
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Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical questionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Charles Rivard
I had a group of friends in Arizona who regularly came over and played 
Tenpin Alley.  They also got a kick out of the fact that there was no way to 
cheat.  The computer monitor was turned off, even though they could not use 
it when playing the game.  Everything was done using their ears.


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly-type games - Re: Some practical 
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Hi tom.

while I agree that card and board games do have value as games to play 
with others, at the same time computer games can have a similar feeling 
provided you have a group of like minded individuals together and provided 
the game is one that several people can have fun with rather than say a 
flight sim or complex stratogy game that requires massive attention.


I remember the occasion when i still lived in colidge where a couple of 
friends of mine visited me, but managed to turn up an hour early so I was 
in the shower. In defference of what to do, I literally yelled 
instructions through the bathroom door (I was living in one room in 
colidge with a single attached bathroom), for them to start up Jim 
Kitchin's game of life, and we played that while I finished my shower.


that was hilarious and good fun as well.

As well as playing Talisman and King of Tokio, my brother also regularly 
plays the marrio party games with his friends as well, which are intended 
as exactly what they say, ie party games, like computerised board games on 
the Wii. He also has recently bought the new Pokemon game and a 3ds, and 
when not playing a ccg with his friends they also challenge each other to 
Pokemon battles. Of course, since my brother is a major CCG player, he 
knows plenty of people who do that sort of thing, and indeed if the games 
(of either computerised or not), were accessible odds are I'd do the same 
more often with my rp friends.


It all seems to depend upon the games involved and the group of people and 
what they choose to do, though I will say where as computer games, even 
casual ones like marrio party or Jim Kitchin's  are something of their own 
interest, anyone can pick up a good amount of board games and play them 
out of the box, making them a far more universal thing.


That is  another reason I'd love to see more accessible interesting games.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

We still play games here.  In our community room we have WII bowling night, 
bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night.  Yahtzee is popular.  I 
try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess.  Still 
though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] New Yorker Magazine Blog

2013-12-05 Thread Scott Chesworth
Getting an error 404 here. Does it work for anyone else?

Scott

On 12/5/13, Eleanor elea...@7128.com wrote:
 Brian Schmidt from the IGDA Games Accessibility SIG mentioned this
 article.  This is the kind of main-stream article that can help promote
 mainstream involvement in accessible games.

 http://www/newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/where-are-the-games-for-disabled-players.html


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Re: [Audyssey] New Yorker Magazine Blog

2013-12-05 Thread Ken Downey

I got the error too.
Check out my games at
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www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html .
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Getting an error 404 here. Does it work for anyone else?

Scott

On 12/5/13, Eleanor elea...@7128.com wrote:

Brian Schmidt from the IGDA Games Accessibility SIG mentioned this
article.  This is the kind of main-stream article that can help promote
mainstream involvement in accessible games.

http://www/newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/where-are-the-games-for-disabled-players.html


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[Audyssey] Help with Stem Stumper.

2013-12-05 Thread michael barnes

Hello.

I just downloaded Stem Stumper to the iPad.
I went to settings and I saw two things that I have not seen there 
before when I had the game on my iPhone.

The first one was pay to remove ads and redeem past purchases.
The other thing is the lite version is no longer on the app store.
But no matter I had paid for the game in the past.

So my help that I needed is to know what is the two items that are now 
in the settings.

Pay to remove ads and redeem past purchases?

Thanks!

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Re: [Audyssey] New Yorker Magazine Blog

2013-12-05 Thread Teresa Cochran
There was a slash after the www. Here is the link;
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/where-are-the-games-for-disabled-players.html

HtH,
teresa

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 I got the error too.
 Check out my games at
 www.ThePionEar.net
 and my music, and that of my band, at
 www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html .
 Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes!
 If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, 
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 Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New Yorker Magazine Blog
 
 
 Getting an error 404 here. Does it work for anyone else?
 
 Scott
 
 On 12/5/13, Eleanor elea...@7128.com wrote:
 Brian Schmidt from the IGDA Games Accessibility SIG mentioned this
 article.  This is the kind of main-stream article that can help promote
 mainstream involvement in accessible games.
 
 http://www/newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/where-are-the-games-for-disabled-players.html
 
 
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Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Cara Quinn
Speaking of games and community…

there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others.

On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a 
right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol!

There are actually quite a few party games for iDevices.

There are also games like battleship etc where you can still play with other 
real human players. (whether they be in the room with you or not)

Smiles,

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On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:

Hi Thomas,

We still play games here.  In our community room we have WII bowling night, 
bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night.  Yahtzee is popular.  I 
try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess.  Still 
though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Charles Rivard

Is truth or dare Voice-Over friendly?

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game



Speaking of games and community…

there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others.

On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a 
right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol!


There are actually quite a few party games for iDevices.

There are also games like battleship etc where you can still play with other 
real human players. (whether they be in the room with you or not)


Smiles,

Cara :)
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On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:

Hi Thomas,

We still play games here.  In our community room we have WII bowling night, 
bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night.  Yahtzee is popular. 
I try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. 
Still though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games.


BFN

  Jim

Keep grandmothers off the streets -- legalize bingo.

j...@kitchensinc.net
http://www.kitchensinc.net
(440) 286-6920
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Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Cara Quinn
HI Charles, sure is! :)

I'm not sure which one I downloaded (there are a bazillion of them) but I just 
grabbed one right at the time we wanted to play.

I think there were a bunch of free ones and I got one of those.

I'll check and let the list know which one it is, when I find it. K?

For future reference, I'll pretty much always mention accessible apps otherwise 
I'll be very clear if they take work to use. So generally everything I mention 
here will be VO-friendly…

Smiles,

Cara :)
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On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

Is truth or dare Voice-Over friendly?

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Speaking of games and community…

there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others.

On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a 
right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol!

There are actually quite a few party games for iDevices.

There are also games like battleship etc where you can still play with other 
real human players. (whether they be in the room with you or not)

Smiles,

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On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:

Hi Thomas,

We still play games here.  In our community room we have WII bowling night, 
bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night.  Yahtzee is popular. I 
try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. Still 
though it is great to get together with neighbors and play games.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles:

That is true. Although, there are a couple of good reasons to buy the
accessible decks from Independent Living Aids etc. One is that the
cards are bigger and have large print on them so they are easier to
read if playing with a low vision player. The other is they make the
cards out of a more durable material so the braille tends to stand out
and last longer than on a standard deck. I agree neither is really a
good  reason to pay the higher cost for the cards, but there are some
advantages in doing so which I thought I would point out.

Cheers!

On 12/5/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 You can buy a standard deck of cards and braille them yourself if you have
 someone who will sort them in order for you, and it only takes a minute for

 them to do it.  I used to do it all the time.  The heck with those $20
 decks!

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Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-05 Thread Charles Rivard
They do last longer, but I found the high cost, well, too high.  I bought 
some pinochle cards, and had to buy two decks if we were going to play 
double deck.  $40 for pinochle cards was too much when comparing it to $4.


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Hi Charles:

That is true. Although, there are a couple of good reasons to buy the
accessible decks from Independent Living Aids etc. One is that the
cards are bigger and have large print on them so they are easier to
read if playing with a low vision player. The other is they make the
cards out of a more durable material so the braille tends to stand out
and last longer than on a standard deck. I agree neither is really a
good  reason to pay the higher cost for the cards, but there are some
advantages in doing so which I thought I would point out.

Cheers!

On 12/5/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
You can buy a standard deck of cards and braille them yourself if you 
have
someone who will sort them in order for you, and it only takes a minute 
for


them to do it.  I used to do it all the time.  The heck with those $20
decks!

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