Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Hi John, Not Sure what version of Gnome you are talking about but I find Gnome is quite accessible these days. Gnome 3.12 is just as accessible as Windows in most respects. So before you make a blanket statement like a giant part of Gnome is inaccessible maybe you should back that up with version number, when you tested it, etc because things on Linux are constantly changing and being updated. Plus if there is a configuration issue to blame it may not be the desktop environment itself but your configuration at fault. Cheers! On 10/25/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
I was using the version of gnome that came with debian 7.2 at the time. Not sure exactly which one that is, but I had a miserable time with it. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:40 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction Hi John, Not Sure what version of Gnome you are talking about but I find Gnome is quite accessible these days. Gnome 3.12 is just as accessible as Windows in most respects. So before you make a blanket statement like a giant part of Gnome is inaccessible maybe you should back that up with version number, when you tested it, etc because things on Linux are constantly changing and being updated. Plus if there is a configuration issue to blame it may not be the desktop environment itself but your configuration at fault. Cheers! On 10/25/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
hi thomas, do you use gnome shell 3.12 or the fallback mode? I use the gnome shell where you press control alt tab to get to the different options and things. On 10/26/2014 6:40 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi John, Not Sure what version of Gnome you are talking about but I find Gnome is quite accessible these days. Gnome 3.12 is just as accessible as Windows in most respects. So before you make a blanket statement like a giant part of Gnome is inaccessible maybe you should back that up with version number, when you tested it, etc because things on Linux are constantly changing and being updated. Plus if there is a configuration issue to blame it may not be the desktop environment itself but your configuration at fault. Cheers! On 10/25/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Hi John, Well, Debian stable doesn't always keep up with Gnome releases so chances are likely you were dealing with a much older Gnome release were accessibility wasn't as good as it is today. Some of the early releases like Gnome 3.0 and Gnome 3.2 were absolutely terrible accessibility wise. It wasn't until Gnome 3.4.2 that accessibility took a turn for the better and Gnome 3.8 is a bare minimum as far as I am concerned for a VI Linux user wanting to use Gnome with decent accessibility. However, if you really want good access Gnome 3.12 with Orca 3.12 is really where the access is these days in terms of graphical user interfaces. However, this is the primary problem with Linux for VI users as I see it. A lot of Windows users come to Linux not knowing squat about the OS and through simple ignorance and lack of experience may choose one of the less accessible distributions or install older components where access has improved in later versions not knowing there are better alternatives. They try to use it, find it isn't up to Windows standards, and make a blanket decision that access on Linux sucks based on their limited experience. Problem is they need to read a few FAQs, talk to some experts, and find out if their poor experience is consistent with more experienced users or they just flat out chose the wrong distribution, version of the desktop, whatever. So my advice to Windows users wanting to try Linux be absolutely certain what distribution and desktop version you are using before making a decision about its accessibility status because things aren't cut and dry. Good access on Linux depends on a lot of different factors from what distribution you use, what versions of software are used, and weather or not there are known workarounds etc. Far too many unsuspecting newbies install Linux expecting things to just work out of the box like Windows and when that doesn't happen they get mad, frustrated, or just too lazy to figure it out due in large part to lack of knowledge what they are dealing with. The sad part of it is that Linux is and can be a fairly decent OS. It just requires a bit more user know-how to get working the way it should. Some distributions are easier to do that with than others. Cheers! On 10/26/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I was using the version of gnome that came with debian 7.2 at the time. Not sure exactly which one that is, but I had a miserable time with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Hi Josh, I use Gnome-Shell 3.12 standard. I don't use the fallback mode etc. I prefer to use the stock desktop when and where possible. cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: hi thomas, do you use gnome shell 3.12 or the fallback mode? I use the gnome shell where you press control alt tab to get to the different options and things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yes me too. I think though if you develop for ubuntu since it is number 2 on distrowatch.com page hit rankings you would get most of the linux market that way. On 10/26/2014 9:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I use Gnome-Shell 3.12 standard. I don't use the fallback mode etc. I prefer to use the stock desktop when and where possible. cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: hi thomas, do you use gnome shell 3.12 or the fallback mode? I use the gnome shell where you press control alt tab to get to the different options and things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. -- From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. On 10/25/2014 3:09 AM, shaun everiss wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
what part of gnome is not accessible? On 10/25/2014 6:22 PM, john wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. -- From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. On 10/25/2014 3:09 AM, shaun everiss wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
The entirety of the start menu, for starters. Never mind the settings panel and a host of other things that only half way work. -- From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction what part of gnome is not accessible? On 10/25/2014 6:22 PM, john wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. -- From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. On 10/25/2014 3:09 AM, shaun everiss wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
hmmm, last time I used gnome-shell it worked just fine for me. On 10/25/2014 9:27 PM, john wrote: The entirety of the start menu, for starters. Never mind the settings panel and a host of other things that only half way work. -- From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction what part of gnome is not accessible? On 10/25/2014 6:22 PM, john wrote: A giant part of gnome is inaccessible... just saying. Also, it's the desktop, not orca, that's got the problem, so its nothing improved orca could do. -- From: Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. On 10/25/2014 3:09 AM, shaun everiss wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
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That's what, $0.05 ish for a cd? heh. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 5:08 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Hi John, Something like that. Depends on the brand being used but usually it is no more than $0.10 for an average writable CD to burn the OS on for installation. Of course, that's for a base install. Some Linux distributions have full DVD images that costs more because of the cost of the DVD, but come with a huge selection of software right on the disc image. Cheers! On 10/24/14, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: That's what, $0.05 ish for a cd? heh. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Can you explain what you mean by provided? I'm slightly confused. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction Hi Charles, I think the primary issue here are there are two basic philosophies here about computer tech. there are those with the mantra if it ain't broke don't fix it and those who say it is broke so fix it. Obviously those opinions are completely opposed to each other and as such things go are both right and wrong at the same time. It is hard to fault anyone for sticking with what works. After all if it suits there needs why push them to upgrade to something else? The reason people are so eager to upgrade is because they realize there are problems with the old tech that either don't matter or of no concern to those who do not choose to upgrade. Just for example we could talk about XP. It was a great OS for its time, but now that it is not getting regular security updates it could fall victim to hackers, viruses, and other forms of malware simply for not receiving regular servicing. A more security conscious computer user would switch to Windows 7 or Windows 8 which is currently getting servicing from Microsoft and that have tighter security built-in. Someone who is not concerned about security will stay with XP out of personal convenience, familiarity with the OS,or just personal preference. Someone like myself on the other hand tries to get the best out of both worlds. Thanks to virtual machines I really can have both and not worry too much about being left behind. All of my computers are either running Windows 7 or Linux, but I also have virtual machines configured for XP to play older games too. Given that I do take security seriously my XP virtual machines are used only for games and older apps, but are never connected to the internet making them as secure as they can be. If I want to use the internet I'll use Linux or Windows 7 with all security patches and updates installed. That way I am getting adequate protection from hackers, viruses, and other malware while still enjoying my older software that isn't being updated. In short, the reason you are getting a but every time you tell someone you want to stick with what works is that the more technically savvy people realize there could be issues with the old tech you may or may have not considered. Like everything in life there are two sides to the situation, and it all depends on how much of an issue those issues are that makes one choose to upgrade or stick with what they have. On 10/22/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When it comes to throwaway hardware and software due to the age of the so-called antiquated hardware or software, I am one of those who stays with what works. It really bothers me when people say, I understand your situation, but, . . . They always put that but in there, and then say why I must upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction
Made available from Microsoft for those who choose to still use XP. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction Can you explain what you mean by provided? I'm slightly confused. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous TopicofInteractiveFiction The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction Hi Charles, I think the primary issue here are there are two basic philosophies here about computer tech. there are those with the mantra if it ain't broke don't fix it and those who say it is broke so fix it. Obviously those opinions are completely opposed to each other and as such things go are both right and wrong at the same time. It is hard to fault anyone for sticking with what works. After all if it suits there needs why push them to upgrade to something else? The reason people are so eager to upgrade is because they realize there are problems with the old tech that either don't matter or of no concern to those who do not choose to upgrade. Just for example we could talk about XP. It was a great OS for its time, but now that it is not getting regular security updates it could fall victim to hackers, viruses, and other forms of malware simply for not receiving regular servicing. A more security conscious computer user would switch to Windows 7 or Windows 8 which is currently getting servicing from Microsoft and that have tighter security built-in. Someone who is not concerned about security will stay with XP out of personal convenience, familiarity with the OS,or just personal preference. Someone like myself on the other hand tries to get the best out of both worlds. Thanks to virtual machines I really can have both and not worry too much about being left behind. All of my computers are either running Windows 7 or Linux, but I also have virtual machines configured for XP to play older games too. Given that I do take security seriously my XP virtual machines are used only for games and older apps, but are never connected to the internet making them as secure as they can be. If I want to use the internet I'll use Linux or Windows 7 with all security patches and updates installed. That way I am getting adequate protection from hackers, viruses, and other malware while still enjoying my older software that isn't being updated. In short, the reason you are getting a but every time you tell someone you want to stick with what works is that the more technically savvy people realize there could be issues with the old tech you may or may have not considered. Like everything in life there are two sides to the situation, and it all depends on how much of an issue those issues are that makes one choose to upgrade or stick with what they have. On 10/22/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When it comes to throwaway hardware and software due to the age of the so-called antiquated hardware or software, I am one of those who stays with what works. It really bothers me when people say, I understand your situation, but, . . . They always put that but in there, and then say why I must upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
