Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
I can't comment on android phones since I've never used one, I used to have a old nokia with a t9 pad and talks and was just so impressed with how the iphone is accessible just out of the box you press the button on the front 3 times and that's it your good to go and I've been impressed with how accessible so much stuff on the phone is. I know its probably going slightly off topic and I know its been talked about on list before , but I had to use the google code capture on a web site for the first time the other day, and their 'accessable audio capture' was a total joke I couldn't even hear a single letter I couldn't even tell you how many letters or if it was letters or words it was reading, and if that's googles outlook on accessibility then they have a seriously seriously long way to go, they can't of even tried it themselves as it is in my opinion totally unusable and demonstrates their commitment to accessibility., sorry rant over but it was crazy how bad it was Paul lemm -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dakotah Rickard Sent: 11 January 2013 18:24 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user It may be that Google catches up with apple in terms of accessibility for their mainline apps, and I'm glad that you are having good luck with apps you've installed from the Goog Store, but the sad and simple fact is that there are lots of accessibility holes in the basic architecture of the Android framework that will need to be fixed before it is accessible in the same way that the IOS framework is accessible. Let me put it to you this way. There are a lot of apps, both on Android OS and IOS that are inaccessible, but there are more apps on IOS that are accessible just because the Apple framework is accessible. What I mean is that the app maker didn't have to sit there and try to make their product Voiceover compliant. That's why, if you go on AppleVis, you'll find a lot of apps that are labeled as workable if you can tolerate a bit of confusion or put in a bit of work. In the Android framework, as I understand it, accessible is something which must be created in the apps. The apps aren't, by nature, accessible until someone does something to make them less so. True, in both systems, a developer can very easily cut corners which make apps inaccessible, but the Apple framework tends toward making apps at least partially accessible, just because of its nature and setup. I want to put this forward as a thought about Google. The Apple maps app is more than accessible, even if it's a bit confusing from time to time, but it works. I can read maps on my phone, which, let me tell you, is a huge deal for me. The google maps app, basically it isn't worth putting on, because it sucks in terms of accessibility. The Dropbox app is accessible. Google drive isn't. Safari is accessible, and though I haven't tried Google Chrome because I'm more than pleased with Safari, I've heard that it doesn't do as good a job in terms of accessibility. The GMail app is reasonable, but it's a bit confusing from time to time, whereas the built-in mail app does the same job and is much more manageable. Basically, if Google doesn't take the time and put in the effort to make apps accessible on devices which actively promote good accessibility, I don't have a great deal of faith that they're going to clean up the mess they've made of the accessibility in their own devices. Google just doesn't place accessibility at as high of a priority as does Apple, so even if the phone is eventually accessible, even if the Nexus does gain accessibility features after a couple of years, by that point, you're probably already going to at least be considering whether or not you want a new phone, while those who bought an IOS device are seeing new and improved accessibility features with each major update. Frankly, I make myself wonder from time to time. I used to highly dislike Apple, and there are still plenty of things about their strategies that I am less fond of. I think that their marketing plan is based on hyping little details and concealing larger ones to wow the launch crowd, which I dislike. I think that they charge too much for device repairs and warranties. I think that they might, eventually, get snowed under by the simply massive amount of Android devices. But I love, and I'll say it again, love the fact that having an iPhone has given me independence. I can buy a GPS app that does me a little better in terms of accessibility and features that are specific to the needs of a visually impaired person, but frankly I don't see much of a need, because what's already there is pretty darn good. Android is a risk that might pay off really nicely, but IOS is an investment in a steady product that is going to appreciate over time with that self same steadiness. I know this message has been long, and I also know that I'm nothing in terms
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
I use Google drive all the time it works great for me Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com wrote: It may be that Google catches up with apple in terms of accessibility for their mainline apps, and I'm glad that you are having good luck with apps you've installed from the Goog Store, but the sad and simple fact is that there are lots of accessibility holes in the basic architecture of the Android framework that will need to be fixed before it is accessible in the same way that the IOS framework is accessible. Let me put it to you this way. There are a lot of apps, both on Android OS and IOS that are inaccessible, but there are more apps on IOS that are accessible just because the Apple framework is accessible. What I mean is that the app maker didn't have to sit there and try to make their product Voiceover compliant. That's why, if you go on AppleVis, you'll find a lot of apps that are labeled as workable if you can tolerate a bit of confusion or put in a bit of work. In the Android framework, as I understand it, accessible is something which must be created in the apps. The apps aren't, by nature, accessible until someone does something to make them less so. True, in both systems, a developer can very easily cut corners which make apps inaccessible, but the Apple framework tends toward making apps at least partially accessible, just because of its nature and setup. I want to put this forward as a thought about Google. The Apple maps app is more than accessible, even if it's a bit confusing from time to time, but it works. I can read maps on my phone, which, let me tell you, is a huge deal for me. The google maps app, basically it isn't worth putting on, because it sucks in terms of accessibility. The Dropbox app is accessible. Google drive isn't. Safari is accessible, and though I haven't tried Google Chrome because I'm more than pleased with Safari, I've heard that it doesn't do as good a job in terms of accessibility. The GMail app is reasonable, but it's a bit confusing from time to time, whereas the built-in mail app does the same job and is much more manageable. Basically, if Google doesn't take the time and put in the effort to make apps accessible on devices which actively promote good accessibility, I don't have a great deal of faith that they're going to clean up the mess they've made of the accessibility in their own devices. Google just doesn't place accessibility at as high of a priority as does Apple, so even if the phone is eventually accessible, even if the Nexus does gain accessibility features after a couple of years, by that point, you're probably already going to at least be considering whether or not you want a new phone, while those who bought an IOS device are seeing new and improved accessibility features with each major update. Frankly, I make myself wonder from time to time. I used to highly dislike Apple, and there are still plenty of things about their strategies that I am less fond of. I think that their marketing plan is based on hyping little details and concealing larger ones to wow the launch crowd, which I dislike. I think that they charge too much for device repairs and warranties. I think that they might, eventually, get snowed under by the simply massive amount of Android devices. But I love, and I'll say it again, love the fact that having an iPhone has given me independence. I can buy a GPS app that does me a little better in terms of accessibility and features that are specific to the needs of a visually impaired person, but frankly I don't see much of a need, because what's already there is pretty darn good. Android is a risk that might pay off really nicely, but IOS is an investment in a steady product that is going to appreciate over time with that self same steadiness. I know this message has been long, and I also know that I'm nothing in terms of knowledge on physical Android products, but I hope that it is helpful and concise. Good luck, and good hunting. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 1/7/13, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi. I'd go with Android, but my reasons don't line up with everyone Else's. 1. So you can write games for me to play on mine. 2. I got mine because I can change the speech. I can't understand any of the voices available on iOS. I have much better luck with ESpeak with my hearing problem. 3. I also got mine because of a physical keyboard, but that won't apply to the Nexus 4. 4. Not sure where folks are coming from that say you'd only be able to use Android as a basic phone. I have many apps on mine, from Zello to Voxer to HayTell and Skype and Dropbox and mos of them work flawlessly in terms of accessibility even on Android 4.0.4, which is what I use. 5. I don't think most of the other commenters have tried 4.2 yet. I haven't either myself, but it appears to work pretty
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
It may be that Google catches up with apple in terms of accessibility for their mainline apps, and I'm glad that you are having good luck with apps you've installed from the Goog Store, but the sad and simple fact is that there are lots of accessibility holes in the basic architecture of the Android framework that will need to be fixed before it is accessible in the same way that the IOS framework is accessible. Let me put it to you this way. There are a lot of apps, both on Android OS and IOS that are inaccessible, but there are more apps on IOS that are accessible just because the Apple framework is accessible. What I mean is that the app maker didn't have to sit there and try to make their product Voiceover compliant. That's why, if you go on AppleVis, you'll find a lot of apps that are labeled as workable if you can tolerate a bit of confusion or put in a bit of work. In the Android framework, as I understand it, accessible is something which must be created in the apps. The apps aren't, by nature, accessible until someone does something to make them less so. True, in both systems, a developer can very easily cut corners which make apps inaccessible, but the Apple framework tends toward making apps at least partially accessible, just because of its nature and setup. I want to put this forward as a thought about Google. The Apple maps app is more than accessible, even if it's a bit confusing from time to time, but it works. I can read maps on my phone, which, let me tell you, is a huge deal for me. The google maps app, basically it isn't worth putting on, because it sucks in terms of accessibility. The Dropbox app is accessible. Google drive isn't. Safari is accessible, and though I haven't tried Google Chrome because I'm more than pleased with Safari, I've heard that it doesn't do as good a job in terms of accessibility. The GMail app is reasonable, but it's a bit confusing from time to time, whereas the built-in mail app does the same job and is much more manageable. Basically, if Google doesn't take the time and put in the effort to make apps accessible on devices which actively promote good accessibility, I don't have a great deal of faith that they're going to clean up the mess they've made of the accessibility in their own devices. Google just doesn't place accessibility at as high of a priority as does Apple, so even if the phone is eventually accessible, even if the Nexus does gain accessibility features after a couple of years, by that point, you're probably already going to at least be considering whether or not you want a new phone, while those who bought an IOS device are seeing new and improved accessibility features with each major update. Frankly, I make myself wonder from time to time. I used to highly dislike Apple, and there are still plenty of things about their strategies that I am less fond of. I think that their marketing plan is based on hyping little details and concealing larger ones to wow the launch crowd, which I dislike. I think that they charge too much for device repairs and warranties. I think that they might, eventually, get snowed under by the simply massive amount of Android devices. But I love, and I'll say it again, love the fact that having an iPhone has given me independence. I can buy a GPS app that does me a little better in terms of accessibility and features that are specific to the needs of a visually impaired person, but frankly I don't see much of a need, because what's already there is pretty darn good. Android is a risk that might pay off really nicely, but IOS is an investment in a steady product that is going to appreciate over time with that self same steadiness. I know this message has been long, and I also know that I'm nothing in terms of knowledge on physical Android products, but I hope that it is helpful and concise. Good luck, and good hunting. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 1/7/13, Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi. I'd go with Android, but my reasons don't line up with everyone Else's. 1. So you can write games for me to play on mine. 2. I got mine because I can change the speech. I can't understand any of the voices available on iOS. I have much better luck with ESpeak with my hearing problem. 3. I also got mine because of a physical keyboard, but that won't apply to the Nexus 4. 4. Not sure where folks are coming from that say you'd only be able to use Android as a basic phone. I have many apps on mine, from Zello to Voxer to HayTell and Skype and Dropbox and mos of them work flawlessly in terms of accessibility even on Android 4.0.4, which is what I use. 5. I don't think most of the other commenters have tried 4.2 yet. I haven't either myself, but it appears to work pretty well. If it isn't on the level of iOS yet, which it isn't in some cases, it probably will be before too long. 6. The fragmentation doesn't really apply to the Google Nexus 4 because that's Google's phone that they will be loading
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
still not sure. I have always had a symbian phone with a t9 pad. The reason I want to replace it in the next year or so is its age. bits are falling off and I am running an imported battery. However I don't know about replacing it with anything or what to replace it with. Another symbian phone that runs talks would probably be my first choice as I have never used the unit much for anything bar sms and phones. There are several reasons to replace the unit with something like the ios devices though. 1. games. 2. the tech in ios for games like dimentions is impressive. 3. skype, yeah I know the speakers are crap but to have skype on the go would rock. 4. airports, transfering laptops within airports is not fun security wise there is at least a 5 minute wait to get it scanned. and the weight of carrying one besides. 5. wireless access, one of the gings I have itched to do is do the free wifi thing. Then again if I find another older simbian 3 phone using the old symbian 2 os I may just upgrade talks for the extra hundred. I must say the iphone has a big pull with me especially where podcasts and games are concerned. then there is music and books and other junket. I have never heard much about android except its not got that many games for it and to be honest if I upgrade to a smartphone its going to have to have entertainment value. Then I can get a keyboard case, use the speech rec, get all the extra addons like batteries and such people talk about on the audiogames forum from time to time. At 08:12 AM 1/8/2013, you wrote: Hi. I'd go with Android, but my reasons don't line up with everyone Else's. 1. So you can write games for me to play on mine. 2. I got mine because I can change the speech. I can't understand any of the voices available on iOS. I have much better luck with ESpeak with my hearing problem. 3. I also got mine because of a physical keyboard, but that won't apply to the Nexus 4. 4. Not sure where folks are coming from that say you'd only be able to use Android as a basic phone. I have many apps on mine, from Zello to Voxer to HayTell and Skype and Dropbox and mos of them work flawlessly in terms of accessibility even on Android 4.0.4, which is what I use. 5. I don't think most of the other commenters have tried 4.2 yet. I haven't either myself, but it appears to work pretty well. If it isn't on the level of iOS yet, which it isn't in some cases, it probably will be before too long. 6. The fragmentation doesn't really apply to the Google Nexus 4 because that's Google's phone that they will be loading the Stock rom (another benefit to the Nexus 4) on it to be able to show other manufacturers how Android is supposed to work. It should be the first to see updates for at least a couple more years to come, and if it isn't, it will be easy to grab a mod and install it on this phone as Google most likely doesn't lock it down. Although, buy it unlocked, don't let ATT sell you anything like I did, they'll do all sorts of stupid things to try and control you just like iOS but worse. For instance I'm pretty sure my Android phone has the gps chip disabled for 3rd party apps, only works for the ATT navigator program that came with it. Ask me if that makes me want to slap some buttheads around. 7. If you don't like it you can tweak it. I've been through probably 10 home screens and am currently using one that does seem to work reasonably well. Not to mention you could write a better one than everyone else's, in your opinion, and sell it for me to get on mine. 8. Truth be told, if I could have switched to ESpeak or just the right alternative synthesizer on iOS, I probably would have not tried Android. I would have gotten a keyboard case for the phone, so the iOS devices not having a keyboard isn't much of a show stopper for me, it's those voices. Aaarrrggg!!! 9. My phone seems to be a lot faster than even my iPod touch 5g, which is lesser a cpu than that on the iPhone 5, but not by too awful much 10. You can swipe on android 4.2, though people seem too willing to just do that and not use explore by touch. on iOS I get used to the app's layout and don't need to flick on screens that I'm used to very often. On my Android phone I have to explore by touch though, because 4.0.4 doesn't have the gestures. 11. You can enable accessibility on android in the setup screen by pressing the screen with two fingers a suitable distance apart and holding for a few seconds until it responds with prmpts. May need to press the power button first. This is also available while on the menu that's pulled up by the power button when the phone is running. On some devices you can draw a square on the screen with a finger to enable it. Not as 1 2 3-ish as tripple click home, which does work out of the box now unlike what someone said earlier on, but it's getting there. 12. Here's a possible con. My on screen keyboard is harder to use on my phone
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yes, phone contracts do make them cheaper. At 11:11 PM 1/6/2013, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I think if you get a contract then the phone is a lot cheaper. For example I got my iPhone 4s when it came out for like $200 or so, and it's a 16 gig. if you really wanted lots of music you may want the 32 gig or so, but even that was only like $300. In my case, however, I really only use my phone for apps, so only needed the 16 gig. Hth, -Michael. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:05 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, Yeah, well the cost is the big sticking point for me. personally. Tonight my wife and I were out at Wal-Mart getting a few items so I decided to look at the phones Verison had in their store and I can't see putting down $500 USD down on an iPhone 5 when I can get an Asuse Nexus 4 running Jellybean 4.2 for $238 which is less than half the cost with about the same features. Actually, as a software developer the Nexus has one advantage over the iPhone and that is that Droid OS is an open system meaning I can develop my own apps from my Windows PC and install them on my phone without having to purchase an Apple Mac, use their development kit for iOS, register my app with the Apple store, and all that other business just to write games and other apps for my smart phone. Google's Droid OS is basically the way to go for someone wanting to develop quick and inexpensive apps for a smart phone without having to sell your soul to Apple to write software for their proprietary devices. On 1/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well as you know games were part of the reason I bought an Iphone 5 in the first place and I got a very good deal from my phone company. I don't have any problem with the screen size personally for brousing, texting etc, so I'd recommend it myself albeit that it does cost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
they most certainly do! I got my 64GB 4s last may, for only £150. Simon - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user yes, phone contracts do make them cheaper. At 11:11 PM 1/6/2013, you wrote: Hi Thomas, I think if you get a contract then the phone is a lot cheaper. For example I got my iPhone 4s when it came out for like $200 or so, and it's a 16 gig. if you really wanted lots of music you may want the 32 gig or so, but even that was only like $300. In my case, however, I really only use my phone for apps, so only needed the 16 gig. Hth, -Michael. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:05 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, Yeah, well the cost is the big sticking point for me. personally. Tonight my wife and I were out at Wal-Mart getting a few items so I decided to look at the phones Verison had in their store and I can't see putting down $500 USD down on an iPhone 5 when I can get an Asuse Nexus 4 running Jellybean 4.2 for $238 which is less than half the cost with about the same features. Actually, as a software developer the Nexus has one advantage over the iPhone and that is that Droid OS is an open system meaning I can develop my own apps from my Windows PC and install them on my phone without having to purchase an Apple Mac, use their development kit for iOS, register my app with the Apple store, and all that other business just to write games and other apps for my smart phone. Google's Droid OS is basically the way to go for someone wanting to develop quick and inexpensive apps for a smart phone without having to sell your soul to Apple to write software for their proprietary devices. On 1/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well as you know games were part of the reason I bought an Iphone 5 in the first place and I got a very good deal from my phone company. I don't have any problem with the screen size personally for brousing, texting etc, so I'd recommend it myself albeit that it does cost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi. I'd go with Android, but my reasons don't line up with everyone Else's. 1. So you can write games for me to play on mine. 2. I got mine because I can change the speech. I can't understand any of the voices available on iOS. I have much better luck with ESpeak with my hearing problem. 3. I also got mine because of a physical keyboard, but that won't apply to the Nexus 4. 4. Not sure where folks are coming from that say you'd only be able to use Android as a basic phone. I have many apps on mine, from Zello to Voxer to HayTell and Skype and Dropbox and mos of them work flawlessly in terms of accessibility even on Android 4.0.4, which is what I use. 5. I don't think most of the other commenters have tried 4.2 yet. I haven't either myself, but it appears to work pretty well. If it isn't on the level of iOS yet, which it isn't in some cases, it probably will be before too long. 6. The fragmentation doesn't really apply to the Google Nexus 4 because that's Google's phone that they will be loading the Stock rom (another benefit to the Nexus 4) on it to be able to show other manufacturers how Android is supposed to work. It should be the first to see updates for at least a couple more years to come, and if it isn't, it will be easy to grab a mod and install it on this phone as Google most likely doesn't lock it down. Although, buy it unlocked, don't let ATT sell you anything like I did, they'll do all sorts of stupid things to try and control you just like iOS but worse. For instance I'm pretty sure my Android phone has the gps chip disabled for 3rd party apps, only works for the ATT navigator program that came with it. Ask me if that makes me want to slap some buttheads around. 7. If you don't like it you can tweak it. I've been through probably 10 home screens and am currently using one that does seem to work reasonably well. Not to mention you could write a better one than everyone else's, in your opinion, and sell it for me to get on mine. 8. Truth be told, if I could have switched to ESpeak or just the right alternative synthesizer on iOS, I probably would have not tried Android. I would have gotten a keyboard case for the phone, so the iOS devices not having a keyboard isn't much of a show stopper for me, it's those voices. Aaarrrggg!!! 9. My phone seems to be a lot faster than even my iPod touch 5g, which is lesser a cpu than that on the iPhone 5, but not by too awful much 10. You can swipe on android 4.2, though people seem too willing to just do that and not use explore by touch. on iOS I get used to the app's layout and don't need to flick on screens that I'm used to very often. On my Android phone I have to explore by touch though, because 4.0.4 doesn't have the gestures. 11. You can enable accessibility on android in the setup screen by pressing the screen with two fingers a suitable distance apart and holding for a few seconds until it responds with prmpts. May need to press the power button first. This is also available while on the menu that's pulled up by the power button when the phone is running. On some devices you can draw a square on the screen with a finger to enable it. Not as 1 2 3-ish as tripple click home, which does work out of the box now unlike what someone said earlier on, but it's getting there. 12. Here's a possible con. My on screen keyboard is harder to use on my phone than it is on iOS. Sometimes I can slide the finger across the keyboard and it may not speak a certan letter as I go over it, or maybe two letters, then all of a sudden it'll speak the next one over. For instance trying to find l let's say I touch j, I slide to the right, nothing, slide to the right, l. Slide to the left, k. It seems to be easier if I try not to stop sliding, and I have to keep my finger gentle on the screen. Mostly I try extra hard to land on the right button, which I have been relatively successful at in the little I have used my on screen keyboard what with me having a physical one on my particular phone. 13. Android is newer than iOS, and accessibility is a little newer than Voiceover on iOS, at least as far as I know it is. I think they have some catching up to do, but they're newer than iOS, so still have a right to be a little behind. Though if you do hit issues, that won't matter to you when you can't do something on your phone that they could do on iOS. 14. I don't know if this is fixed in 4.2, but on Android, if you touch a button, and slide away from it you can try to tap it, and you'll not tap the button, but instead tap the screen where there isn't anything to tap, or on another button if you happen to have slid to one, naturally. On iOS, you can touch a button, then slide all over the screen, and as long as you don't land on another button, double tapping the screen will issue a tap on the button you touched in the first place. This means that if you're trying to explore the screen and land
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi The game is called King of Dragon past. There are lots of games for the iPhone depending on what type of person you are. You can get classic games such as text adventures on the iPhone, multiple-choice interactive fiction, 3-D action arcade games, the list goes on. Give us an idea of is to what sort of thing you would like to do and we will try and help you. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Jan 2013, at 06:29, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Taylor, I'm not an iPhone user myself, but there has been quite a bit of discussion lately of a game called Legend of Dragon Pass.From what I gather it is a fairly complex RPG game where you get to run and manage a clan of Vikings over a period of several years: plant crops, build raiding parties, explore new territories, enter into wars with rival clans, and so forth. I'll let someone else who has the game tell you more, but from the audio demo done a couple weeks back it is a very involved game. On 1/5/13, taylorarnd...@gmail.com taylorarnd...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody know any good iPhone games for voiceover users I Arity have a couple that I Artie have installed I would like To have some suggestions Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Taylor, I have a page of blind friendly iPhone games at, http://www.pcsgames.net/iPhoneGames.htm Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Actually tom the game is king of dragon pass. it has a page on www.audiogames.net. i'd also recommend the lost cities card game and the gamebooks from choiceofgames, though I've not tried many more myself yet since I've only just got my Iphone and a still in process of trying different gmaes out myself. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, there are lots of good games for iOS. Try Lost cities, if you like playing cards. Gabriel. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I got 2 games there last night Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 6:04 AM, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Taylor, I have a page of blind friendly iPhone games at, http://www.pcsgames.net/iPhoneGames.htm Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I Couldn't get GMA games to work on my phone I had to create an account In the Site wouldn't let me are you sure they're not Computer games Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Thanks for the correction. I knew Legend of Dragon Pass sounded wrong, but for the life of me couldn't think of the correct name off the top of my head. However, the game is something encouraging me to buy an iPhone as it sounds like something I'd truly enjoy. On 1/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Actually tom the game is king of dragon pass. it has a page on www.audiogames.net. i'd also recommend the lost cities card game and the gamebooks from choiceofgames, though I've not tried many more myself yet since I've only just got my Iphone and a still in process of trying different gmaes out myself. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Taylor, I don't know where you got the idea that GMA Games will play on your iPhone, but they are games for Windows not Apple iOS. They are computer games as you stated. :D Cheers! On 1/6/13, taylorarnd...@gmail.com taylorarnd...@gmail.com wrote: I Couldn't get GMA games to work on my phone I had to create an account In the Site wouldn't let me are you sure they're not Computer games Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well tom the game is amazingly complex and detailed and I'd highly recommend it, indeed it's one of the most complex rpg/stratogy games I've ever played since everything works as much through story as it does through pure resource management. For someone like yourself who appreciates mythology i think you'd really enjoy the game. Plus then there are others. Lost cities is a fun cardgame to play with people when you have time, and the choiceofgames play very well as gamebooks. I've not investigated too much else myself yet, but a lot more is around too. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. Well as you know games were part of the reason I bought an Iphone 5 in the first place and I got a very good deal from my phone company. I don't have any problem with the screen size personally for brousing, texting etc, so I'd recommend it myself albeit that it does cost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, I think if you get a contract then the phone is a lot cheaper. For example I got my iPhone 4s when it came out for like $200 or so, and it's a 16 gig. if you really wanted lots of music you may want the 32 gig or so, but even that was only like $300. In my case, however, I really only use my phone for apps, so only needed the 16 gig. Hth, -Michael. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:05 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, Yeah, well the cost is the big sticking point for me. personally. Tonight my wife and I were out at Wal-Mart getting a few items so I decided to look at the phones Verison had in their store and I can't see putting down $500 USD down on an iPhone 5 when I can get an Asuse Nexus 4 running Jellybean 4.2 for $238 which is less than half the cost with about the same features. Actually, as a software developer the Nexus has one advantage over the iPhone and that is that Droid OS is an open system meaning I can develop my own apps from my Windows PC and install them on my phone without having to purchase an Apple Mac, use their development kit for iOS, register my app with the Apple store, and all that other business just to write games and other apps for my smart phone. Google's Droid OS is basically the way to go for someone wanting to develop quick and inexpensive apps for a smart phone without having to sell your soul to Apple to write software for their proprietary devices. On 1/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well as you know games were part of the reason I bought an Iphone 5 in the first place and I got a very good deal from my phone company. I don't have any problem with the screen size personally for brousing, texting etc, so I'd recommend it myself albeit that it does cost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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, significant change will occur. Either way, good luck and good hunting. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 1/6/13, Michael Taboada mich...@speedofsoundgaming.com wrote: Hi Thomas, I think if you get a contract then the phone is a lot cheaper. For example I got my iPhone 4s when it came out for like $200 or so, and it's a 16 gig. if you really wanted lots of music you may want the 32 gig or so, but even that was only like $300. In my case, however, I really only use my phone for apps, so only needed the 16 gig. Hth, -Michael. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:05 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, Yeah, well the cost is the big sticking point for me. personally. Tonight my wife and I were out at Wal-Mart getting a few items so I decided to look at the phones Verison had in their store and I can't see putting down $500 USD down on an iPhone 5 when I can get an Asuse Nexus 4 running Jellybean 4.2 for $238 which is less than half the cost with about the same features. Actually, as a software developer the Nexus has one advantage over the iPhone and that is that Droid OS is an open system meaning I can develop my own apps from my Windows PC and install them on my phone without having to purchase an Apple Mac, use their development kit for iOS, register my app with the Apple store, and all that other business just to write games and other apps for my smart phone. Google's Droid OS is basically the way to go for someone wanting to develop quick and inexpensive apps for a smart phone without having to sell your soul to Apple to write software for their proprietary devices. On 1/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well as you know games were part of the reason I bought an Iphone 5 in the first place and I got a very good deal from my phone company. I don't have any problem with the screen size personally for brousing, texting etc, so I'd recommend it myself albeit that it does cost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Does anybody know any good iPhone games for voiceover users I Arity have a couple that I Artie have installed I would like To have some suggestions Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello. Before some of the people on here I will give you two websites that have a list of games. applevis.com pcsgames.net I said what I said about people biting your head off because this question was already asked. However I don't mind answering the same question over and over. In my line of work I have people asking the same thing all the time so I have to be patient and kind to people and give the answers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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there are lots of games for use on the Iphone. If you will go to http://www.applevis.com you will find more than you will want. Another way to find games which may work with voice-over is to type in various search terms like text or text games or text adventures or perhapse talking games. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: taylorarnd...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:49 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Does anybody know any good iPhone games for voiceover users I Arity have a couple that I Artie have installed I would like To have some suggestions Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Taylor, I'm not an iPhone user myself, but there has been quite a bit of discussion lately of a game called Legend of Dragon Pass.From what I gather it is a fairly complex RPG game where you get to run and manage a clan of Vikings over a period of several years: plant crops, build raiding parties, explore new territories, enter into wars with rival clans, and so forth. I'll let someone else who has the game tell you more, but from the audio demo done a couple weeks back it is a very involved game. On 1/5/13, taylorarnd...@gmail.com taylorarnd...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody know any good iPhone games for voiceover users I Arity have a couple that I Artie have installed I would like To have some suggestions Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
