[Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas
Hello All, I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also suggested I post here. I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to start promoting accessible games through our site. As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users. I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type; *Text based *3D Audio game *2D Audio game Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further. Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated. Many thanks Jason Jason Bell Digital Media Officer Action for Blind People Tel: 0207 635 4902 Fax: 0207 635 4899 Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects of their lives. For more information phone us on our National Freephone Helpline 0800 915 4666 or visit our fully accessible website www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk http://www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk/ . Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail Registered Charity no 205913 Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects of their lives. For more information phone us on our National Freephone Helpline 0800 915 4666 or visit our fully accessible website www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk Please consider your environmental responsibilities before printing this email. Registered Charity no 205913 This email is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this email without the authors prior permission. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. Action for Blind People cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. ___ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas
Hello Jason, I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey Business that is starting to get more interest. Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For example, Jim Kitchen's games are all free, but nice little time waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games. I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom, Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles, but different genres. You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter, Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial, but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready for the Christmas season. On 11/5/08, Jason Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also suggested I post here. I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to start promoting accessible games through our site. As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users. I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type; *Text based *3D Audio game *2D Audio game Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further. Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated. Many thanks Jason Jason Bell Digital Media Officer Action for Blind People Tel: 0207 635 4902 Fax: 0207 635 4899 Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects of their lives. For more information phone us on our National Freephone Helpline 0800 915 4666 or visit our fully accessible website www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk http://www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk/ . Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail Registered Charity no 205913 Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects of their lives. For more information phone us on our National Freephone Helpline 0800 915 4666 or visit our fully accessible website www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk
Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas
Groan, we went through all this earlier this year rememberguys, it just turned into such a case of two monkeys banging a football the idea got abandoned. Why not just list the 20 top games in two categories either free or commercial and be done with it? Otherwise we'll be debating into 2010 what categories to include, whether this game is 2d, or that game should be in two categories, etc. etc. etc. Later, Che - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas Hello Jason, I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey Business that is starting to get more interest. Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For example, Jim Kitchen's games are all free, but nice little time waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games. I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom, Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles, but different genres. You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter, Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial, but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready for the Christmas season. On 11/5/08, Jason Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also suggested I post here. I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to start promoting accessible games through our site. As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users. I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type; *Text based *3D Audio game *2D Audio game Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further. Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated. Many thanks Jason Jason Bell Digital Media Officer Action for Blind People Tel: 0207 635 4902 Fax: 0207 635 4899 Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects of their lives. For more information phone us
Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas
And then have to catch up for 2009 and 20010! Haha. - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas Groan, we went through all this earlier this year rememberguys, it just turned into such a case of two monkeys banging a football the idea got abandoned. Why not just list the 20 top games in two categories either free or commercial and be done with it? Otherwise we'll be debating into 2010 what categories to include, whether this game is 2d, or that game should be in two categories, etc. etc. etc. Later, Che - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas Hello Jason, I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey Business that is starting to get more interest. Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For example, Jim Kitchen's games are all free, but nice little time waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games. I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom, Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles, but different genres. You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter, Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial, but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready for the Christmas season. On 11/5/08, Jason Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also suggested I post here. I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to start promoting accessible games through our site. As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users. I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type; *Text based *3D Audio game *2D Audio game Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further. Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated. Many thanks Jason Jason Bell Digital Media Officer
Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas
che, you absolutely preempted me here. Personally I was thinking of self-voicing and screen reader required as the two catagories (with Sapi counting as self-voicing of course), sinse that way games like Sryth or Miriani could be thrown into the mix as well without confusing things too much. Look at other computer games competitions like donationcoder.com or the Indi games show case. In said show case, the winner was an Rpg, the 2nd place a side scrolling shooter, the 3rd I believe a dungeon crawler and so on. It was all done on votes. I must admit, where people like gamesfortheblind are concerned if a commercial company hasn't done their markit research on what is available already, I've not got too much sympathy. the fact that we have some really dedicated developers of free games should just let commercial companies know that they have to push the boat out a bit if they want people to buy their games. Afterall, can you imagine the reaction you'd get if someone tried to sell a basic graphical black jack game, even leaving aside the gaming mega coorporations and just considdering other small, independently developed programs and games sold over the internet. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas Groan, we went through all this earlier this year rememberguys, it just turned into such a case of two monkeys banging a football the idea got abandoned. Why not just list the 20 top games in two categories either free or commercial and be done with it? Otherwise we'll be debating into 2010 what categories to include, whether this game is 2d, or that game should be in two categories, etc. etc. etc. Later, Che - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas Hello Jason, I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey Business that is starting to get more interest. Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For example, Jim Kitchen's games are all free, but nice little time waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games. I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom, Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles, but different genres. You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter, Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial, but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready for the Christmas season. On 11/5/08, Jason Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also suggested I post here. I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to start promoting accessible games through our site. As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New Year possibly
Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas
Hi I'm interested in Tarzan Junior but I couldn't download it due to a 404 page not found error. Are the developers still making this game? Or are they unlike DanZ games in that they've just disappeared off the face of the earth? It looks like www.pb-games.com has been hacked too as the content has absolutely nothing to do with Tarzan Junior. Thanks for your kindest response. -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: chrishallsworth7266 klango: chrishallsworth - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas Hello Jason, I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey Business that is starting to get more interest. Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For example, Jim Kitchen's games are all free, but nice little time waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games. I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom, Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles, but different genres. You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter, Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial, but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready for the Christmas season. On 11/5/08, Jason Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also suggested I post here. I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to start promoting accessible games through our site. As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users. I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type; *Text based *3D Audio game *2D Audio game Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further. Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated. Many thanks Jason Jason Bell Digital Media Officer Action for Blind People Tel: 0207 635 4902 Fax: 0207 635 4899 Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind and partially sighted people get
