Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-11 Thread Rynhardt Kruger
Since version 4.1 android's accessibility api is quite up to standard. Unaccessible apps are mostly do to image buttons without descriptions or custom components, the same problems as ios. Android's greatest problem is that people think of it as it was before 4.0. On 11 Jan 2013 20:09, Dakotah

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-11 Thread Dakotah Rickard
And I'll honestly be the first to admit that my information comes from handling my friend's somewhat out-of-date phone plus some googling. I don't keep up with what's going on, day to day, and I'd probably bash my head against the wall if I signed up for another high-traffic mailing list about

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Ben
04:34 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Charles, Good point, but it doesn't really cost you anything extra to get an Android phone running Talkback either. The Android phones my wife and I looked

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Rynhardt Kruger
:34 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Charles, Good point, but it doesn't really cost you anything extra to get an Android phone running Talkback either. The Android phones my wife and I looked

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Rynhardt Kruger
... -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 07 January 2013 04:34 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Charles, Good point

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Trouble
for talkback... -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 07 January 2013 04:34 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Charles, Good point

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Charles Rivard
, January 06, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Charles, O.K. I know that many blind users are saying that Apple iOS is better than Google's Droid OS, and that may be true, but I have heard from people who have

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Tom Randall
are now offering it for free at least here in the states. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: Ben Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:38 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs,as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user I have

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dakotah, That all makes sense. The issue of quality control seems to be a double edged sword. On one hand as a developer I am a bit put out by the idea of having to pay money to develop apps and games for the iPhone, but on the other hand as a user I know everything I buy and download for the

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ben, Either you are mistaken about the cost or you guys in the U.K. are getting seriously ripped off, but Talkback is a free and open source app. As I said in a prior post my wife has it on her Galaxy S3, and someone at Verison demonstrated a couple newer Android phones with Jellybean on them

[Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Charles Rivard
The iPhone 5 is slightly larger than the previous iPhones. From my experiences with touch screens, the iPhone is the most accessible and, due to the fact that more apps are accessible as well, we get what we pay for. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. -

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Draconis Entertainment
I don't usually chime in on these threads, but as an iPHone user and developer, I wanted to make a few points briefly. If you just want a phone, not a smart phone, then an Android phone might be the more cost effective option…but if you want to use your phone…as most people do…as a smart

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Clement Chou
are definitely cost-effective. Just depends on what you want in the end. - Original Message - From: Draconis Entertainment gene...@draconisentertainment.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs,as usual - Re

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Charles Rivard
Entertainment gene...@draconisentertainment.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs,as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user I don't usually chime in on these threads, but as an iPHone user

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, O.K. I know that many blind users are saying that Apple iOS is better than Google's Droid OS, and that may be true, but I have heard from people who have Nexus 4's that access on Jellybean is almost as good as iOS. So when you say the iPhone is the most accessible have you actually

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Good point, but it doesn't really cost you anything extra to get an Android phone running Talkback either. The Android phones my wife and I looked at tonight running Jellybean had Talk back on them, and all I needed help with was setting up Talkback so it doesn't cost anything extra

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Josh, Thanks for the post. That is exactly the kind of educated message I wanted to see on this subject as I am about to turn in my old phone for a new one in the next few months and I'm torn between a Android phone or an iPhone. My principle use will be as a phone so it sounds like as a

Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user

2013-01-06 Thread Dakotah Rickard
I couldn't agree more with this last post. Honestly, I haven't tried out Jellybean, though I'd like to do so, but when you compare the use of the iPhone by sighted individuals versus blind ones, with the same usage of an Android phone by sighted versus blind people, you find that the iPhone usage