Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Yeah I aggree, ms seems to do this a lot. I always try to stay in the middle though I have only once pushed another system to a system that did not support it yet. it was 95 to 98 and on another system 98 to xp. I guess vista to 7 and maybe over, depending on what you have. At 12:26 p.m. 12/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
hi, about new technology first microsoft is putting in ribbons to make the operating system more useful for sited people that's fine but why not add an option to switch to the old style menus I mean, whats rong with menus more companies getting unaccessible I used avira antivir 9.0 a vary powerful free antivirus, avira dropped accessibility in 10.0 and in 12.0 its even worse so i'm still using 9.0 and if they drop the virus defenition and engine updates i'll have to switch to microsoft security essentials probably not that I wantto but there isn't much available in terms of accessibility -- From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think you dare not, you don't; If you'd like to win, but you think you can't, It's almost a cinch you won't; If you think you'll lose, you've lost, For out in the world you'll find Success begins with a fellow's will It's all in the state of mind. Full many a race is lost Ere even a race is run, And many a coward fails Ere even his work's begun. Think big, and your deeds will grow, Think small and you fall behind, Think that you can, and you will; It's all in the state of mind. If you think you are outclassed, you are; You've got to think high to rise; You've got to be sure of yourself before You can ever win a prize. Life's battle doesn't always go To the stronger or faster man; But sooner or later, the man who wins Is the fellow who thinks he can. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
and even when they do change hardware requirement, its usually for the better, not worse. as has been said, 7 uses little more then xp, and 8 uses less then 7! dallas On 14/12/2011 08:28, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivardwee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI Charles, Would you explain the bugs in Windows 7? True Vista was awful, but 7 has made up for a lot of that in speed and reliability. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4078 - Release Date: 12/13/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
lol. yep. exactly. and just cause its an update, don't make it bad! i am playing with windows 8 at the moment, and although, yes, there are some things i don't like, on the hole, its a major major improvement! updating is the way to go. upwards and onwards! dallas On 14/12/2011 10:13, Hayden Presley wrote: HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion listgamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivardwee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
HI, What exactly is new? All I really saw was the new touchscreen interface...is the keyboard still accessible? And if so, what would someone using it be able to nitice different? Besides, of course,the ribbons. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf lol. yep. exactly. and just cause its an update, don't make it bad! i am playing with windows 8 at the moment, and although, yes, there are some things i don't like, on the hole, its a major major improvement! updating is the way to go. upwards and onwards! dallas On 14/12/2011 10:13, Hayden Presley wrote: HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion listgamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivardwee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
its much the same. and you can turn off the metro interface. that brings back the 7 start menu. and yes, keyboard stuff is exactly the same. its not that different. the touch interface is beeing pushed because a lot of people these days don't use pc's or laptops. they use tablets. so windows 8 is pushing that hard. but its not the end all and be all of the new windows to come. still feels mostly the same, except faster. win 7 boots from 0 power to desktop in about 70 seconds on most systems, bit faster on others. win 8 boots to desktop from 0 power in about 15 seconds on my netbook, and about 8 seconds on my notebook dallas On 14/12/2011 10:41, Hayden Presley wrote: HI, What exactly is new? All I really saw was the new touchscreen interface...is the keyboard still accessible? And if so, what would someone using it be able to nitice different? Besides, of course,the ribbons. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf lol. yep. exactly. and just cause its an update, don't make it bad! i am playing with windows 8 at the moment, and although, yes, there are some things i don't like, on the hole, its a major major improvement! updating is the way to go. upwards and onwards! dallas On 14/12/2011 10:13, Hayden Presley wrote: HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion listgamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivardwee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles, Yes, in some respects Vista is better than XP in certain areas like security, better graphics technology, support for blue ray movies, etc. However, there is no arguing that Microsoft rushed the release of Vista, the initial release was unstable, and it cost Microsoft a lot of respect and credibility. Microsoft had to release Windows 7 quickly to address a number of issues in Vista to hopefully regain the trust and support of their user base. That said, I think Microsoft has learned from their mistakes because Windows 7 is far more stable than Vista, runs much better on the same hardware, and is the operating system Microsoft should have released instead of Vista. Plus as I've said I've had some experience with the new Windows 8 development beta and it seems to be very rock solid stable for a beta. So while Microsoft did make a catastrophic mistake with Vista its not likely one they are going to make again any time soon. You are certainly right in saying Microsoft should be more careful to test their new software for stability and reliability, and I think they are now doing that with Windows 7 and Windows 8 respectfully. When Vista was released companies like Del, HP, Compaq, ran two different lines of PCS one with Vista and one with Windows XP. Marketing serveys clearly showed that the systems running Windows XP out sold those with Vista on them. Too make matters worse Del and some other manufacturers actually began shipping PCs preloaded with Linux on them which further cut into Microsoft's Vista market. Apple's sales of Mac OS X nearly doubled between 2007 and 2008. It couldn't have been more clear to Microsoft that Vista was a complete failure. Do you honestly expect them to repete that mistake again? I for one don't think so. I've seen Windows 7 and Windows 8 first-hand and both are huge improvements over Windows Vista. They both are also better than XP in a number of areas as well. For example, Microsoft SAPI 5.4--which comes with Windows 7---has some improvements over SAPI 5.1. Improved speech recognition, Microsoft Anna is better than Sam, support for real time ssml tagging for realistic speech output, etc. The ability to pin applications to the taskbar for quick reference. As Valiant mentioned if an application like Internet Explorer is pinned to the taskbar you can press a keyboard combo like Windows+1 from anywhere in Windows and immediately jump to that window without having to alt+tab through every open window on the desktop. Windows Explorer now has improved backup features such as the ability to burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and convert unencrypted movie files to video dvds. This saves the Windows 7 user the cost of having to purchase Roxio DVD Creator, Nero Burning Rom, etc. You only need something like Nero for advanced cd and dvd creation tasks. Microsoft's DirectX 11 API is a huge leap forward in 3d graphics for games and other applications. XAudio2 has a number of key advantages over DirectSound including true 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound support, the ability to submix sounds in real time, better handling of custom DSP effects, etc. XInput allows you to share game devices between your XBox 360 and your Windows 7 PC. In terms of hardware Windows 7 supports more ram and hard drive space than Windows XP. If memory serves me correctly Windows XP was only designed to support up to 4 GB of ram where the 64-bit version of Windows 7 can support up to 128 GB of ram. While it sounds like that much ram is unecessary the fact of the matter is that high definition video such as realistic 3d graphics rendering and blue ray video technology is upping the hardware requirements on memory and file size every day. It probably won't be that long before games and home movies needs 50 GB of ram to run the way we are going with realistic graphics and video technology. Already most Play Station and XBox games ship on a blue ray dvd because they are 20 to 25 GB in size. Most of that size is do to high definition video clips, 3d graphics, and high definition audio files. Moral of the story is the more we lean torwards high definition multimedia the more CPU power and memory it takes to run it. Something like 128 GB of memory sounds rediculous now, but looking ahead I can clearly see a day when software developers will need it to meet the needs of high definition multimedia tomorrow. Therefore what Microsoft is doing with Windows 7 is looking ahead at what is needed to support this or that higher end multimedia and meet those demands in a newer flashier OS, and its not simply a case of just upgrade XP because that doesn't necessarily work when an entire API or technology has to be rewritten from scratch to meet the demands of newer technologies coming down the line. Plus Microsoft probably has reached the peak number of sales for XP so aren't likely to make anything off of rewriting what needs to be done to XP to upgrade it to meet current marketing demands and release A free service
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Hayden, Lol! You've got a good point there. Plus I'll add a comment to yours. People here are talking about how rock solid stable XP is, how good it is, but do they have a short term memory or something? Back in 2001 when I first got XP the OS was extremely unstable. It chrashed constantly, and everyone back then was calling XP a piece of crap. It wasn't until service pack 1 came out before it became widely considered to be safe to use, and it didn't really become extremely stable until service pack 2 came along. Now, we are into the third service pack, and of course its stable and reliable now. That's 10 years of updates, bug fixes, and changes to make it that way. So I think the gripe here is actually more to do with paid upgrades than free ones. I don't remember this community pitching a fit when Microsoft released service packs 1, 2, or 3 for XP when they came out. I'm sure most people thought updating was a good idea. Now, if we come around to the idea of paying for Windows 7 its an absolute, no way Jose. Upgrading is bad. Maybe the real problem here is not upgrading, but the cost of investing in the upgrade? Cheers! On 12/13/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: HI, D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
AllI care about with a new OS is that it works more often than not and that I can play the games I enjoy. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Hayden, Lol! You've got a good point there. Plus I'll add a comment to yours. People here are talking about how rock solid stable XP is, how good it is, but do they have a short term memory or something? Back in 2001 when I first got XP the OS was extremely unstable. It chrashed constantly, and everyone back then was calling XP a piece of crap. It wasn't until service pack 1 came out before it became widely considered to be safe to use, and it didn't really become extremely stable until service pack 2 came along. Now, we are into the third service pack, and of course its stable and reliable now. That's 10 years of updates, bug fixes, and changes to make it that way. So I think the gripe here is actually more to do with paid upgrades than free ones. I don't remember this community pitching a fit when Microsoft released service packs 1, 2, or 3 for XP when they came out. I'm sure most people thought updating was a good idea. Now, if we come around to the idea of paying for Windows 7 its an absolute, no way Jose. Upgrading is bad. Maybe the real problem here is not upgrading, but the cost of investing in the upgrade? Cheers! On 12/13/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: HI, D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi, Obviously you have not had to buy said Operating Systems, so I don't understand why you are still griping. To be honest I'm tired of you pressing the same point over and over again. Let me put it this way: you don't want to upgrade, don't do it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Think they really learned? Anyone remember win me? XP was the fix for that mess, but XP pro was the best for long running. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
How about preaching that to FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC! At 08:35 PM 12/13/2011, you wrote: If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
That is right! No one here is twisting your arm to upgrade nor do they care! At 08:37 PM 12/13/2011, you wrote: Hi, Obviously you have not had to buy said Operating Systems, so I don't understand why you are still griping. To be honest I'm tired of you pressing the same point over and over again. Let me put it this way: you don't want to upgrade, don't do it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Well when I switch to 7 I plan to get classic shell, since that looks like it will be the best way to get best of both worlds. Now all I need is a sound recorder that is like the one in xp but better, audacity is ok but another free something would rock. sound recorder in win7 is a bit busy in my opinion. At 08:04 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Charles, Yes, in some respects Vista is better than XP in certain areas like security, better graphics technology, support for blue ray movies, etc. However, there is no arguing that Microsoft rushed the release of Vista, the initial release was unstable, and it cost Microsoft a lot of respect and credibility. Microsoft had to release Windows 7 quickly to address a number of issues in Vista to hopefully regain the trust and support of their user base. That said, I think Microsoft has learned from their mistakes because Windows 7 is far more stable than Vista, runs much better on the same hardware, and is the operating system Microsoft should have released instead of Vista. Plus as I've said I've had some experience with the new Windows 8 development beta and it seems to be very rock solid stable for a beta. So while Microsoft did make a catastrophic mistake with Vista its not likely one they are going to make again any time soon. You are certainly right in saying Microsoft should be more careful to test their new software for stability and reliability, and I think they are now doing that with Windows 7 and Windows 8 respectfully. When Vista was released companies like Del, HP, Compaq, ran two different lines of PCS one with Vista and one with Windows XP. Marketing serveys clearly showed that the systems running Windows XP out sold those with Vista on them. Too make matters worse Del and some other manufacturers actually began shipping PCs preloaded with Linux on them which further cut into Microsoft's Vista market. Apple's sales of Mac OS X nearly doubled between 2007 and 2008. It couldn't have been more clear to Microsoft that Vista was a complete failure. Do you honestly expect them to repete that mistake again? I for one don't think so. I've seen Windows 7 and Windows 8 first-hand and both are huge improvements over Windows Vista. They both are also better than XP in a number of areas as well. For example, Microsoft SAPI 5.4--which comes with Windows 7---has some improvements over SAPI 5.1. Improved speech recognition, Microsoft Anna is better than Sam, support for real time ssml tagging for realistic speech output, etc. The ability to pin applications to the taskbar for quick reference. As Valiant mentioned if an application like Internet Explorer is pinned to the taskbar you can press a keyboard combo like Windows+1 from anywhere in Windows and immediately jump to that window without having to alt+tab through every open window on the desktop. Windows Explorer now has improved backup features such as the ability to burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and convert unencrypted movie files to video dvds. This saves the Windows 7 user the cost of having to purchase Roxio DVD Creator, Nero Burning Rom, etc. You only need something like Nero for advanced cd and dvd creation tasks. Microsoft's DirectX 11 API is a huge leap forward in 3d graphics for games and other applications. XAudio2 has a number of key advantages over DirectSound including true 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound support, the ability to submix sounds in real time, better handling of custom DSP effects, etc. XInput allows you to share game devices between your XBox 360 and your Windows 7 PC. In terms of hardware Windows 7 supports more ram and hard drive space than Windows XP. If memory serves me correctly Windows XP was only designed to support up to 4 GB of ram where the 64-bit version of Windows 7 can support up to 128 GB of ram. While it sounds like that much ram is unecessary the fact of the matter is that high definition video such as realistic 3d graphics rendering and blue ray video technology is upping the hardware requirements on memory and file size every day. It probably won't be that long before games and home movies needs 50 GB of ram to run the way we are going with realistic graphics and video technology. Already most Play Station and XBox games ship on a blue ray dvd because they are 20 to 25 GB in size. Most of that size is do to high definition video clips, 3d graphics, and high definition audio files. Moral of the story is the more we lean torwards high definition multimedia the more CPU power and memory it takes to run it. Something like 128 GB of memory sounds rediculous now, but looking ahead I can clearly see a day when software developers will need it to meet the needs of high definition multimedia tomorrow. Therefore what Microsoft is doing with Windows 7 is looking ahead at what is needed to support this or that higher end multimedia and meet those demands in a newer flashier OS, and its not simply a case of just upgrade XP because that doesn't necessarily work
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
I aggree tom. Unfortunately with the vista issue and the fact ms has loads of security issues with its earlier oses and some other things I can't remember as well as their suing nature, people are not likely to forget their crappyness even if they are trying. When Avg stuffed v9 access I switched to ms security. I have no desire to go back. I lost most of the control in what the program did but got interfated updates into the os, and almost no false alarms. The ability not to ever have to touch the program unless it gave me an alert and instant access. And ms is not all that bad to be honest, they just have a bit of a reputation of making good software then breaking it totally. At 07:35 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0600, you wrote: If I have to wait for 10 years to make an upgrade that I, as well as everyone else, can use, that is for the most part bug free, that is stable and reliable, and that has feature worth the upgrade, that would be far more preferable than being given a buggy new OS every 2 years that has to gradually be molded into what it should have been in the first place. Products that work as they should say a lot for the company that produces them, and products that don't speak just as loudly for the company that produces them, whether it be a PC, an OS, or a game. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf yes, but at the same time, are you willing to wait 10 or more years for a new system to come out, just so you can use the stuff others are? because, think about it. xp is 10 years old. and they are still finding bugs with it! dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
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Same here, though the extra inaccessability of stuff combined with all of the system self monitering and self repairing makes the admin's life quite simple. Even with xp its simple, I remember having to baby sit systems when it was in the 9x days. At 06:35 p.m. 13/12/2011 -0700, you wrote: AllI care about with a new OS is that it works more often than not and that I can play the games I enjoy. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Hayden, Lol! You've got a good point there. Plus I'll add a comment to yours. People here are talking about how rock solid stable XP is, how good it is, but do they have a short term memory or something? Back in 2001 when I first got XP the OS was extremely unstable. It chrashed constantly, and everyone back then was calling XP a piece of crap. It wasn't until service pack 1 came out before it became widely considered to be safe to use, and it didn't really become extremely stable until service pack 2 came along. Now, we are into the third service pack, and of course its stable and reliable now. That's 10 years of updates, bug fixes, and changes to make it that way. So I think the gripe here is actually more to do with paid upgrades than free ones. I don't remember this community pitching a fit when Microsoft released service packs 1, 2, or 3 for XP when they came out. I'm sure most people thought updating was a good idea. Now, if we come around to the idea of paying for Windows 7 its an absolute, no way Jose. Upgrading is bad. Maybe the real problem here is not upgrading, but the cost of investing in the upgrade? Cheers! On 12/13/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: HI, D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You're right about Vista, but 7 was a mature product on release. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:53 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
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Hello, Actually, The blindness community attacked Windows XP just as much because it was not Windows 9X, and Windows was attacked just as much because it was not Dos. The truth is, people like to bitch when things change, and they take it personally. The world is out to get them. In other words, they like to whine a lot. For blind people who have been trained to use a computer by rote rather than learning how to explore and figure out a system, this is only worse. The fact is, times, technology, everything changes; and it is not comfortable for those who learned an earlier way of doing things. People who never learned the old habits, on the other hand, do not need to unlearn their old habits and just learn it. They complain as well, though. Just spend some time with kids at school to see what I am talking about. The fact is, change is the only constant in the universe. It is the thing we can count on. As far as I am concerned, this is a very good thing. It keeps things from becoming stagnent.. David Chittenden, MSc, DRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 14/12/2011, at 13:13, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: HI,AN D it seems to me this community has a double standard. Updating is bad, when they decide it is. But I hear everyone prasing XP. Hmmm...I wonder how MS made XP? Possibly, it was an update? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dallas O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf besides, as complex a system windows is, they will never have a bug free operating system. thats not possible, with the pure amount of lines of code. so no, that won't ever happen. and yes, 7 is more stable. because they had time to sort a lot of things out. dallas On 14/12/2011 09:53, Charles Rivard wrote: Was Vista better than XP? Is Windows 7 better than Vista? Am I right in that Windows 7 came out to be Vista with the bugs worked out? And was Microsoft already working on Windows 8 when 7 came out? One thing I would like to see, if Microsoft insists on continually coming out with a new OS time and time again, is that they quit rushing them to market before the bugs are worked out, and give us a solid stable product that has thoroughly been tested and proven to be stable and reliable, rather than a junky troublesome buggy product. I know the task would be massive, and I know it would take an enormous amount of time and effort, but it would sure do a lot to regain the credibility they once had, and it would also be more readily received by the customers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles and all, If you want to make that argument consider this. When Windows Vista came out Windows XP was already six years old, and it introduced a lot of new graphics technology that wasn't possible on the hardware specs in 2001. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 use the exact same hardware requirements as Windows Vista, and actually run better on the same hardware specs. So your argument of having to replace your hardware every time Microsoft upgrades doesn't hold water. I really urge you guys to research your facts before making baseless arguments like this because Microsoft does not change system requirements every two years or for every Windows upgrade like you suggest. Cheers! On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
[Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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(Note - it appears that this thread has gone into the weeds and is no longer really relevant to the topic of audio gaming...) FYI Alex, it's pretty much inconceivable to me that your assertion is true; an old Pentium with 256 MB of ram should be able to handle ridiculously complex multi-channel 3D audio. The processing load isn't nearly as heavy for audio as it is for modern video, and any audio-only developer that runs out of horsepower is doing something very, very wrong. Either that, or the operating system/libraries are doing something very, very wrong. For reference, I'm using a custom audio core that I wrote in C/C++ code in the space of about three hours, a core that mixes everything on a per-sample basis using a stream filter approach (simple but very inefficient). Turning on the low level interrupt handler without anything being played out uses 3% of one core of my processor, and playing out 15 things simultaneously raises that to 4%. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Welcome to the wonderful world of computers! At 01:26 PM 12/12/2011, you wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
If we must upgrade in order to play the newer games, shouldn't we also be able to enjoy the games we've already spent money on? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles, Yes, we should. Fortunately, even after VB support is removed from Windows, which won't be for several years at least, solutions such as virtual machines can still be used to play older games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If we must upgrade in order to play the newer games, shouldn't we also be able to enjoy the games we've already spent money on? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
And you do sort of have to run the operating system to, what was your expression, do tasks. Smile. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Welcome to the wonderful world of computers! At 01:26 PM 12/12/2011, you wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
