Re: [Audyssey] Flash was Free Chess Program for the Blind
Hi Dark, Right. To be honest I've not encountered too many stand alone Flash games and applications myself. Most of the time the Flash apps and games I've had dealings with are web based affairs which is where Flash really shines as an internet technology. That said, given the cost of Adobe's Flash development tools and IDEs it is more cost effective to write Java applets and servelets using the Sun Java JDK. Once upon a time Java was initially a very internet centered technology, before it became more popular as a general all purpose programming language. However, it still has a very functional use as an aplet language able to produce games and other web applications for far less than Flash. On 8/16/11, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > fair enough, it's obviously something I've not come across as much, mostly > because on the occasions I've seen flash applications they've been things > like highly graphical rpg games which would be pretty inaccessible anyway > because of their use of graphics so I've not tried them. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Flash was Free Chess Program for the Blind
Hi Tom. fair enough, it's obviously something I've not come across as much, mostly because on the occasions I've seen flash applications they've been things like highly graphical rpg games which would be pretty inaccessible anyway because of their use of graphics so I've not tried them. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:54 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Flash was Free Chess Program for the Blind Hi Dark, Its true that the main purpose people use Flash for is to create web based games and other web based applications, but Flash can be used to create stand alone games and other products as well. For instance, the Audio Games Maker, AGM, was a stand alone application written in Flash. The reason AGM was accessible is that it was self-voiced using prerecorded wav files rather than relying on independant screen reader support. Had that self-voicing not been available I doubt Jaws, Window-Eyes, Hal, NVDA, etc would have recognized all of the controls since in my experience stand alone, non-web based, Flash applications are not very screen reader accessible. HTH On 8/15/11, dark wrote: Hi tom. I see the point about other applications, and indeed have the java access bridge installed on my system for that reason, however with Flash I'm a litle confused. From what I've seen, flash is only ever used in online games and net based things. It's true that when images are involved flash is just as inaccessible as a windows ap with lack of graphics, but from what I've seen where text is present flash and Hal seem to cooperate relatively well, on sites like utube, google videosthe some retro remakes that use a flash pane with a couple of buttons etc. This is not true of some similar web media formats, for instance unity, which is why i sort of assumed flash was something Hal supported when possible and presumably other screen readers could be made to support as well. if I've misunderstood the workings of flash fair enough. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Flash was Free Chess Program for the Blind
Hi Dark, Its true that the main purpose people use Flash for is to create web based games and other web based applications, but Flash can be used to create stand alone games and other products as well. For instance, the Audio Games Maker, AGM, was a stand alone application written in Flash. The reason AGM was accessible is that it was self-voiced using prerecorded wav files rather than relying on independant screen reader support. Had that self-voicing not been available I doubt Jaws, Window-Eyes, Hal, NVDA, etc would have recognized all of the controls since in my experience stand alone, non-web based, Flash applications are not very screen reader accessible. HTH On 8/15/11, dark wrote: > Hi tom. > > I see the point about other applications, and indeed have the java access > bridge installed on my system for that reason, however with Flash I'm a > litle confused. > > > From what I've seen, flash is only ever used in online games and net based > things. > > It's true that when images are involved flash is just as inaccessible as a > windows ap with lack of graphics, but from what I've seen where text is > present flash and Hal seem to cooperate relatively well, on sites like > utube, google videosthe some retro remakes that use a flash pane with a > couple of buttons etc. > > This is not true of some similar web media formats, for instance unity, > which is why i sort of assumed flash was something Hal supported when > possible and presumably other screen readers could be made to support as > well. > > if I've misunderstood the workings of flash fair enough. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
