Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas

[Chris Hallsworth]

Hi I'm interested in Tarzan Junior but I couldn't download it due to a 404 
page not found error. Are the developers still making this game? Or are they 
unlike DanZ games in that they've just disappeared off the face of the 
earth? It looks like www.pb-games.com has been hacked too as the content has 
absolutely nothing to do with Tarzan Junior. Thanks for your kindest 
response.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas



Hello Jason,
I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority
of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first
is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a
third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey
Business that is starting to get more interest.
Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any
and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For
example, Jim Kitchen's  games are all free, but nice little time
waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like
Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would
end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For
the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are
free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the
Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone
I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded
Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would
automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was
polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games.
I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas
games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of
developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out
before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom,
Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher
end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and
realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there
really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank
Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to
compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to
comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah
with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles,
but different genres.
You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now
officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter,
Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial,
but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a
side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready
for the Christmas season.

On 11/5/08, Jason Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello All,

I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also
suggested I post here.



I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the
webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to
start promoting accessible games through our site.

As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games
this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New
Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links
to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users.

I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive
list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we
could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website
where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type;



*Text based

*3D Audio game

*2D Audio game



Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know
enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and
would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to
develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count
them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from
which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list



Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling
system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a
proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further.

Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Jason



Jason Bell

Digital Media Officer

Action for B

Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas

[dark]

che, you absolutely preempted me here.

Personally I was thinking of self-voicing and screen reader required as the 
two catagories (with Sapi counting as self-voicing of course), sinse that 
way games like Sryth or Miriani could be thrown into the mix as well without 
confusing things too much.


Look at other computer games competitions like donationcoder.com or the Indi 
games show case.


In said show case, the winner was an Rpg, the 2nd place a side scrolling 
shooter, the 3rd I believe a dungeon crawler and so on. It was all done on 
votes.


I must admit, where people like gamesfortheblind are concerned if a 
commercial company hasn't done their markit research on what is available 
already, I've not got too much sympathy.


the fact that we have some really dedicated developers of free games should 
just let commercial companies know that they have to push the boat out a bit 
if they want people to buy their games. Afterall,  can you imagine the 
reaction you'd get if someone tried to sell a basic graphical black jack 
game,  even leaving aside the gaming mega coorporations and just 
considdering other small, independently developed programs and games sold 
over the internet.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas


 Groan, we went through all this earlier this year rememberguys, it just 
turned into such a case of two monkeys banging a football the idea got 
abandoned.
 Why not just list the 20 top games in two categories either free or 
commercial and be done with it?
 Otherwise we'll be debating into 2010 what categories to include, whether 
this game is 2d, or that game should be in two categories, etc. etc. etc.

   Later,
Che

- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas



Hello Jason,
I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority
of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first
is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a
third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey
Business that is starting to get more interest.
Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any
and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For
example, Jim Kitchen's  games are all free, but nice little time
waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like
Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would
end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For
the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are
free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the
Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone
I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded
Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would
automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was
polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games.
I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas
games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of
developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out
before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom,
Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher
end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and
realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there
really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank
Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to
compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to
comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah
with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles,
but different genres.
You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now
officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter,
Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial,
but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a
side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready
for the Christmas season.

On 11/5/08, Jason Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello All,

I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also
suggested I post here.



I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the
webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to
start promoting accessible games through our site.

As a starter I thought i

Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas

[Tj]

And then have to catch up for 2009 and 20010!  Haha.
- Original Message - 
From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas


 Groan, we went through all this earlier this year rememberguys, it just 
turned into such a case of two monkeys banging a football the idea got 
abandoned.
 Why not just list the 20 top games in two categories either free or 
commercial and be done with it?
 Otherwise we'll be debating into 2010 what categories to include, whether 
this game is 2d, or that game should be in two categories, etc. etc. etc.

   Later,
Che

- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas



Hello Jason,
I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority
of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first
is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a
third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey
Business that is starting to get more interest.
Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any
and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For
example, Jim Kitchen's  games are all free, but nice little time
waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like
Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would
end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For
the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are
free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the
Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone
I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded
Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would
automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was
polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games.
I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas
games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of
developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out
before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom,
Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher
end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and
realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there
really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank
Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to
compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to
comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah
with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles,
but different genres.
You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now
officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter,
Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial,
but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a
side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready
for the Christmas season.

On 11/5/08, Jason Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello All,

I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also
suggested I post here.



I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the
webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to
start promoting accessible games through our site.

As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games
this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New
Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links
to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users.

I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive
list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we
could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website
where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type;



*Text based

*3D Audio game

*2D Audio game



Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know
enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and
would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to
develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count
them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from
which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list



Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling
system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a
proper po

Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas

[Che]

 Groan, we went through all this earlier this year rememberguys, it just 
turned into such a case of two monkeys banging a football the idea got 
abandoned.
 Why not just list the 20 top games in two categories either free or 
commercial and be done with it?
 Otherwise we'll be debating into 2010 what categories to include, whether 
this game is 2d, or that game should be in two categories, etc. etc. etc.

   Later,
Che

- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas



Hello Jason,
I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority
of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first
is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a
third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey
Business that is starting to get more interest.
Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any
and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For
example, Jim Kitchen's  games are all free, but nice little time
waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like
Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would
end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For
the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are
free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the
Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone
I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded
Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would
automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was
polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games.
I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas
games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of
developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out
before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom,
Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher
end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and
realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there
really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank
Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to
compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to
comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah
with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles,
but different genres.
You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now
officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter,
Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial,
but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a
side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready
for the Christmas season.

On 11/5/08, Jason Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello All,

I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also
suggested I post here.



I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the
webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to
start promoting accessible games through our site.

As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games
this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New
Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links
to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users.

I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive
list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we
could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website
where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type;



*Text based

*3D Audio game

*2D Audio game



Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know
enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and
would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to
develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count
them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from
which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list



Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling
system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a
proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further.

Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Jason



Jason Bell

Digital Media Officer

Action for Blind People

Tel: 0207 635 4902

Fax: 0207 635 4899



Action for Blind People is an expe

Re: [Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas

[Thomas Ward]

Hello Jason,
I think this is a fantastic idea. Though, at the moment the majority
of accessible games seam to fall into two major catagories. the first
is board and card games. The second is classic arcade. There is a
third catagory of FPS games like Sarah, Shades of Doom, and Monkey
Business that is starting to get more interest.
Now, by top five Christmas games I am assuming these would exclude any
and all free games. That drastically shrinks the game pool a lot. For
example, Jim Kitchen's  games are all free, but nice little time
waisters. The Games for the Blind has some similar games like
Battleship, Yatzi, etc but they are not free. As a result you would
end up with a very scued comparison between Jim's games and Games For
the Blind's projects. Most of us like Jim's games because they are
free, and they use Sapi 5 directly. That isn't saying Games For the
Blind's Yatzi is any better or worse than Jim's version, but everyone
I know has a preference for Jim Kitchen's version. So if you excluded
Jim's games based on price then someone like Games For The Blind would
automatically get ranked higher then it normally would get if it was
polled side by side with Jim Kitchen's versions of the same games.
I'm saying all of this to say that polling for the top five Christmas
games isn't as easy as you think. We are a very small community of
developers and as a result there is a lot of issues to figure out
before running a poll. GMA Games makes games like Shades of Doom,
Lonewolf, and GMA Tank Commander, which are certainly among the higher
end of accessible gaming. They are liked for their replay value and
realism. Unfortunately, until my own Genesis engine is completed there
really isn't anything else to compare them to. Lonewolf and Tank
Commander are a one of a kind games. I wouldn't consider trying to
compare them to Super Liam, Troopenum, etc because it comes down to
comparing apples and oranges. You might get away with comparing Sarah
with Shades of Doom which is alright since they are both FPS titles,
but different genres.
You run into a similar issue with say side-scrollers. Right now
officially there are only two or three. I think they are Hunter,
Tarzan JR., and Super Liam. Hunter and Super Liam are both commercial,
but Tarzan has gone freeware. I am also currently developing a
side-scroller called Mysteries of the Ancients, but it won't b ready
for the Christmas season.

On 11/5/08, Jason Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also
> suggested I post here.
>
>
>
> I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the
> webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to
> start promoting accessible games through our site.
>
> As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games
> this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New
> Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links
> to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users.
>
> I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive
> list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we
> could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website
> where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type;
>
>
>
> *Text based
>
> *3D Audio game
>
> *2D Audio game
>
>
>
> Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know
> enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and
> would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to
> develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count
> them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from
> which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list
>
>
>
> Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling
> system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a
> proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further.
>
> Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated.
> Many thanks
> Jason
>
>
>
> Jason Bell
>
> Digital Media Officer
>
> Action for Blind People
>
> Tel: 0207 635 4902
>
> Fax: 0207 635 4899
>
>
>
> Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring
> blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects
> of their lives.
>
>
>
> For more information phone us on our National Freephone Helpline 0800
> 915 4666 or visit our fully accessible website
> www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk
>  .
>
>
>
> Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this
> e-mail
>
>
>
> Registered Charity no 205913
>
>
>
>
> Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind
> and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects of their
> lives.
>
> For more information phone us on our National Freephone Help

[Audyssey] Top 5 Games this Christmas

[Jason Bell]

Hello All,

I have posted a similar message on Audiogames.net and Dark there also
suggested I post here.

 

I'm new to accessible games so please bear with me. I work on the
webteam at the UK charity Action for Blind People and I would like to
start promoting accessible games through our site. 

As a starter I thought it would be a good idea to post a 'Top 5 Games
this Christmas' list which I would like to develop further in the New
Year possibly with reviews but more likely with promotion of and links
to AudioGames.net and Audyssey.org and their users.

I'm not entirely sure how it might work if we don't have a definitive
list to vote on to begin with. So with Dark's help I thought maybe we
could run a submissions form on the Action for Blind People website
where everybody could submit their favourite games by interface type;

 

*Text based

*3D Audio game

*2D Audio game

 

Interface type is for simplicity reasons. At the moment I don't know
enough about the games to be getting involved in genre listings and
would like to keep it simple this time round. Maybe we could look to
develop this in the New Year. After a week of submissions I will count
them up and put the top games up in each category for a public vote from
which we would have a 'Top Games this Christmas' winners list

 

Slightly crude I know but it would be a start. I don't think the polling
system we have on the Action site is sophisticated enough to run a
proper poll with a number of lists but I will investigate further. 

Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Jason

 

Jason Bell

Digital Media Officer

Action for Blind People

Tel: 0207 635 4902

Fax: 0207 635 4899

 

Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring
blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects
of their lives.

 

For more information phone us on our National Freephone Helpline 0800
915 4666 or visit our fully accessible website
www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk
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