Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
yes, I must confess that's why I always shorten it to shades, sinse "sod" is indeed a sware word in England, and especially in the midlands. it's always a litle weerd to me to see a game referd to as something my mum says if she spills her tea ;D. Then again, this is just another words issue. if for instance in castaways JEremy were to include firewood counted as "faggots of wood" which would be completely correct according to the english meaning of the word, (there is that section in lotr when Boromir advises the group to all cut and carry faggots in order that they have some fuel in the high pass of Karadhras), I'd imagine a lot of americans would be rather confused as well. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos" To: Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games This kind of reminds me of Shades of Doom. In many cases I've seen people shorten it to simply SOD, not knowing that it can be viewed as a cuss word in certain parts of the world, not the USA. -- Raul A. Gallegos 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions Twitter: http://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 Blog: http://www.RaulGallegos.com On 8/27/2011 4:35 PM, Michael Gauler wrote: That's even worse... I mean, such a meaning... But if you don't life in the USA, you don't know such things... So, this whole mess could maybe never been so bad... Shame really. Allthough the new mota game surely will be at least the same in quality, maybe even better. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
This kind of reminds me of Shades of Doom. In many cases I've seen people shorten it to simply SOD, not knowing that it can be viewed as a cuss word in certain parts of the world, not the USA. -- Raul A. Gallegos 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions Twitter: http://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 Blog: http://www.RaulGallegos.com On 8/27/2011 4:35 PM, Michael Gauler wrote: That's even worse... I mean, such a meaning... But if you don't life in the USA, you don't know such things... So, this whole mess could maybe never been so bad... Shame really. Allthough the new mota game surely will be at least the same in quality, maybe even better. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Thomas, I always thought and believe that it is another meaning of Montezuma's Revenge, and that is that people that visit Mexico especially the first time, if they drink the water, they end up with chronic diarrhea. Still not exactly a good name for a game eh? BFN Jim No, Taco Bell is NOT the Mexican Telephone Company! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
I remember that now that you mention it. Not that I ever really thought of it then. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games Hi Dark, Well, yes and no. Some developers still compress sounds, but using a higher quality format. For example, SoundRTS uses ogg for compressing sounds and speech. Philip Bennefall's games like Q9 also are compressed, but the ogg files are packed into a encrypted pak file as well. However, at the high sample rate the sounds are recorded and compressed Q9 still sounds good even though the sounds are compressed.The difference here was Philip obviously wanted to cut the size of the game/setup down, but at the same time offer a high enough quality of playback. A format like ogg can do that given a high enough sample and bit rate. Back when Justin was creating Troopenum, Pipe, Hunter, etc ogg wasn't really widely used. Especially, on the Windows platform. He chose the wma format which would have been alright, but in order to smash the file size down he picked a very low sample and bit rate for the files which once you compress the sounds too far you can't get anything close to the original back. I think his goal was to make the setup very very small, but the cost of doing that was the audio quality suffered. Once Pipe 2 and Troopenum 2 came along most people were moving to high speed connections like DSL, cable, etc anyway and it was no longer necessary to smash the setup down to under 10 MB. Cheers! On 8/28/11, dark wrote: Hi Tom. This is something I noticed too myself. Just after i tried and bought pipe 2 in 2006 I tried classic pipe, but was rather unimpressed by the game to tell the truth, especially sinse the quality of the sounds wasn't up to those in pipe 2 at all. A few years later I got a new machine and tried the classic pipe demo again by which time Justin had updated the sounds and the game sounded much better, (another reason why imho limited content demos are far better for trying the game than limited time ones), I stil decided against buying it but that was due to lack of challenge and features rather than lack of sounds, so hunting down the older versions is imho just going to give you a sub standard experience all round, pluss of course, now people aren't compressing games sfx anymore sinse most people have either faster connections or use download managers, it'd be a shame for jack to be limited to smaller setup files just through lack of connection speed. With a download manager though, it's possible to just leave the thing running while your doing something else, and even save your download progress, rather like the way the sendspace wizard works. So on that basis you can pretty much download anything you like whatever size so long as you leave your machine running. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Dark, Well, yes and no. Some developers still compress sounds, but using a higher quality format. For example, SoundRTS uses ogg for compressing sounds and speech. Philip Bennefall's games like Q9 also are compressed, but the ogg files are packed into a encrypted pak file as well. However, at the high sample rate the sounds are recorded and compressed Q9 still sounds good even though the sounds are compressed.The difference here was Philip obviously wanted to cut the size of the game/setup down, but at the same time offer a high enough quality of playback. A format like ogg can do that given a high enough sample and bit rate. Back when Justin was creating Troopenum, Pipe, Hunter, etc ogg wasn't really widely used. Especially, on the Windows platform. He chose the wma format which would have been alright, but in order to smash the file size down he picked a very low sample and bit rate for the files which once you compress the sounds too far you can't get anything close to the original back. I think his goal was to make the setup very very small, but the cost of doing that was the audio quality suffered. Once Pipe 2 and Troopenum 2 came along most people were moving to high speed connections like DSL, cable, etc anyway and it was no longer necessary to smash the setup down to under 10 MB. Cheers! On 8/28/11, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > This is something I noticed too myself. Just after i tried and bought pipe 2 > in 2006 I tried classic pipe, but was rather unimpressed by the game to tell > the truth, especially sinse the quality of the sounds wasn't up to those in > pipe 2 at all. > > A few years later I got a new machine and tried the classic pipe demo again > by which time Justin had updated the sounds and the game sounded much > better, (another reason why imho limited content demos are far better for > trying the game than limited time ones), I stil decided against buying > it but that was due to lack of challenge and features rather than lack of > sounds, so hunting down the older versions is imho just going to give you a > sub standard experience all round, pluss of course, now people aren't > compressing games sfx anymore sinse most people have either faster > connections or use download managers, it'd be a shame for jack to be limited > to smaller setup files just through lack of connection speed. > > With a download manager though, it's possible to just leave the thing > running while your doing something else, and even save your download > progress, rather like the way the sendspace wizard works. > > So on that basis you can pretty much download anything you like whatever > size so long as you leave your machine running. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Tom. This is something I noticed too myself. Just after i tried and bought pipe 2 in 2006 I tried classic pipe, but was rather unimpressed by the game to tell the truth, especially sinse the quality of the sounds wasn't up to those in pipe 2 at all. A few years later I got a new machine and tried the classic pipe demo again by which time Justin had updated the sounds and the game sounded much better, (another reason why imho limited content demos are far better for trying the game than limited time ones), I stil decided against buying it but that was due to lack of challenge and features rather than lack of sounds, so hunting down the older versions is imho just going to give you a sub standard experience all round, pluss of course, now people aren't compressing games sfx anymore sinse most people have either faster connections or use download managers, it'd be a shame for jack to be limited to smaller setup files just through lack of connection speed. With a download manager though, it's possible to just leave the thing running while your doing something else, and even save your download progress, rather like the way the sendspace wizard works. So on that basis you can pretty much download anything you like whatever size so long as you leave your machine running. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Dark, That's a good suggestion. I didn't even think about a download manager myself, but you are right. If Jack wants to download and play these games using a download manager might help with this. As you say the older versions of these games are rather substandard. Remember to get the setup so small Justin crunched the sounds down into very low quality wma files, and when you installed the program it extracted them back to wav files. Problem is all that packing and unpacking the sounds using non-lossless formats like wma made the end result aweful sounding. I remember playing some of the early demos of those games and the audio wasn't very good. Cheers! On 8/28/11, dark wrote: > Hi Jack. > > Might I suggest that rather than downloading what are practically speaking > sub standard older versions with as Damian said, less bugs fixed or > features, you try using a download managing program to download the regular > files. > > Ultimately this will be better for you sinse you get better games, and using > a download manager you can just leave your computer running while the > program downloads however long it takes (pluss a manager should speed up > your downloads somewhat anyway even if your connection is extremely slow). > > yOU CAN FIND ONE ON THE SOFTWARE PAGE AT WWW.WHITESTICK.CO.UK, BUT THERE ARE > VARIOUS ONES AROUND. > > HTH. > > bEWARE THE GrUE! > > dARK. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Jack. Might I suggest that rather than downloading what are practically speaking sub standard older versions with as Damian said, less bugs fixed or features, you try using a download managing program to download the regular files. Ultimately this will be better for you sinse you get better games, and using a download manager you can just leave your computer running while the program downloads however long it takes (pluss a manager should speed up your downloads somewhat anyway even if your connection is extremely slow). yOU CAN FIND ONE ON THE SOFTWARE PAGE AT WWW.WHITESTICK.CO.UK, BUT THERE ARE VARIOUS ONES AROUND. HTH. bEWARE THE GrUE! dARK. - Original Message - From: "Jack F" To: "gamers" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games Hi Damien, I want the older versions of the games because the setup files are small and the sounds are compressed. Downloading is kind of slow for me when downloading really large files. For instance, the abandonware games archive where I got the montezuma's revenge demo and the mario brother's demo took almost 2 hours to download where it was supposed to be faster than that. Yeah, the file is large, but not like several gb or something. I know that it shouldn't have taken this long, because the 1 gb demo of kerzwiel took only an hour and a half. Thanks. best regards, jack --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Michael, Well, there were a couple of reasons why I changed the name from Montezuma's Revenge to Montezuma's Return. One of the reasons I changed the name is that the term "Montezuma's revenge" is American slang for chronic diarrhea. I always thought that was a grose and disgusting name for a game. Although, it is based on the historical fact that Emperor Montizuma, the last emperor of the Aztec Empire, was apparently constantly ill and suffered bad cases of diarrhea and the Spanish guards who held him captive in 1520 jokingly refered to his sickness as "Montezuma's revenge." It has been passed down by word of mouth ever since as slang or as a joke when some one is sick with the flu. The other reason I felt the game needed a slight name change is that although I was trying to stick to the original game there were people who had never played the original who wanted me to change various aspects of the game. To update it or add new ideas to it. I was strongly against that, but never-the-less hoping to make the game marketable I slowly gave into some demands and made changes that didn't make it authentic. Therefore in my mind the game I was creating was not an exact clone or copy of the game, but more like a spin-off of the original. Therefore a new name was needed. However, when I changed the name to Montezuma's Return I had no clue that there was a game out there already with that name. I had never heard of it. The only game I knew of in that series was the original Montezuma's Revenge by Parker Brothers in the 1980's. I'm sure googling the name might have turned up results or gave me proof that another game existed, and I would have chosen a different name altogether, but as things happened I just assumed no game was using that title and got burned for it. As for Mysteries of the Aztecs that was a temperary name I stuck on Montezuma's Revenge/Return until I decided what to do with the game. I figured since Utopia wanted me to take down the game rather than argue with them I would take it down and write something completely different and be done with the entire business. That's what I did. Finally, as to why you seem to be getting less, as in only two levels with Mysteries of the Ancients beta 22, when there were six complete levels in Montezuma's Return beta 9 that's an easy thing to explain. As I've explained many times The majority of the work done between 2008 and 2011 was work on the Genesis 3D Engine. It is a high level game creation toolkit that will help USA Games produce games faster by having fully developed common classes and modules for input, speech, sound, performing 3d calculations, and so on. What set us behind schedule is I started out using .Net, found out it wasn't going to work, looked at a couple other languages, and decided to rewrite the engine from scratch in C++. If I had written the engine from the start in C++ or was still using the .Net version of the engine chances are very good not only would have the engine been completed faster so would Mysteries of the Ancients itself. The bottom line here is the game has not been the primary goal for the last two/three years and was only there to test the engine and make sure it worked before I actually sat down and wrote the game itself. With Montezuma's Return I wrote that as a stand alone game. I was just learning .Net and Managed DirectX so sort of hobbled it together as I went along. That's why even though it had six complete levels there are some rather nasty bugs in the game where you can jump through walls, freeze while jumping up, and a few other weird bugs like that. Truth is in order to fix some of those kinds of bugs I was going to have to rewrite the game anyway eventually to resolve/fix the problems. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Michael, Mysteries of the Ancients is and will be far better than the Montezuma's Revenge game. Montezuma's Revenge was a basic side-scroller from 1984 where your goal was to gather gems for points, avoid traps, and avoid fast moving monsters. Many of the elements you find in Mysteries of the Ancients like puzzles simply didn't exist. There was no way to save games in Montezuma's Revenge, and remember if you found a sword you could kill one monster with it before you had to find a new sword. On levels 7 and higher there was no way to kill monsters at all. Those are just some of the kinds of complaints I remember people having about Monte, because they felt that the game was out dated and lacked feature x of newer games. Which was one of the reasons I rewrote the game from scratch. Cheers! On 8/27/11, Michael Gauler wrote: > That's even worse... > I mean, such a meaning... > But if you don't life in the USA, you don't know such things... > So, this whole mess could maybe never been so bad... > Shame really. > Allthough the new mota game surely will be at least the same in quality, > maybe even better. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
No maybe about it. It'll definitely be better. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Michael Gauler" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games That's even worse... I mean, such a meaning... But if you don't life in the USA, you don't know such things... So, this whole mess could maybe never been so bad... Shame really. Allthough the new mota game surely will be at least the same in quality, maybe even better. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
That's even worse... I mean, such a meaning... But if you don't life in the USA, you don't know such things... So, this whole mess could maybe never been so bad... Shame really. Allthough the new mota game surely will be at least the same in quality, maybe even better. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
As I recall there were two reasons. THe first was that he originally thought there would be less likelyhood of running into copyright issues if he changed the name of the game. And obviously he wasn't aware of the fact there was already a game called Montezuma's Return. The second reason is that in the US at least, Montezuma's Revenge is slang for shall we say, a nasty case of the flue. And according to history the actual Emperor Montezuma suffered from poor health for most of his life and so Thomas felt that it would be in bad taste to use the term as the title for a game. And I'm assuming it hadn't yet evolved it's alternate meaning at the time when Parker Brothers released the original Arcade game, or if it had it wasn't yet in popular usage. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Michael Gauler" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games Hi Thomas, I am no expert in copyright issues. And if that was not Enough, I am not living in the USA, so I also don't know USA copyright laws. For that it is not the least bit surprising to find out I don't know something. But what I never got in the first place was why you changed the Montezuma's Revenge first to Montezuma's Return if staying with it could have possibly avoided the entire matter. Don't get me wrong here: I have nothing against a greg temple instead of an Aztec one... But it is still disapointing to not have a proper ending to the old game. And this is again not meant as an insult to you or your company, but to have 22 public versions with not more than two levels max when the last nearly finished release had six levels is a bit frustrating (you have to wait) of course... Also, what was the problem with the last version Called Tomb Hunter Mysteries of the Aztecs? That was your character, and your music or someone whoose music you bought, right? The only sad thing is that Montezuma's Return beta 9 had the best of all main themes I have known for Audio games if you don't count dramatic themes. And the Music of the Mysteries of the Aztecs Beta 1 ( primarily the last public version's main theme) would have been even better if it was not too quiet and in full 44100 KHZ instead of only 22050 KHZ... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Thomas, I am no expert in copyright issues. And if that was not Enough, I am not living in the USA, so I also don't know USA copyright laws. For that it is not the least bit surprising to find out I don't know something. But what I never got in the first place was why you changed the Montezuma's Revenge first to Montezuma's Return if staying with it could have possibly avoided the entire matter. Don't get me wrong here: I have nothing against a greg temple instead of an Aztec one... But it is still disapointing to not have a proper ending to the old game. And this is again not meant as an insult to you or your company, but to have 22 public versions with not more than two levels max when the last nearly finished release had six levels is a bit frustrating (you have to wait) of course... Also, what was the problem with the last version Called Tomb Hunter Mysteries of the Aztecs? That was your character, and your music or someone whoose music you bought, right? The only sad thing is that Montezuma's Return beta 9 had the best of all main themes I have known for Audio games if you don't count dramatic themes. And the Music of the Mysteries of the Aztecs Beta 1 ( primarily the last public version's main theme) would have been even better if it was not too quiet and in full 44100 KHZ instead of only 22050 KHZ... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, That doesn't matter. They shouldn't have the Monte Demo on their server at all. Regardless if it was the Alchemy version orUSA Games version. Cheers! On 8/26/11, dhruv kumar wrote: > hey tom, > the folder that contains alikimi games has only monti demo. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, There is one thing to keep in mind here. Back in early 2008 I myself didn't know too much about U.S. copyright law so was sort of cowed into giving up the game without researching it legally first. Since then I've read up on copyright law and while I'm not an expert on it I know enough to stay out of trouble now. What it boils down to is a company can copyright trademarks, characters, music, sounds, storyline, etc but they can not copyright an entire idea. So what that means is that Edos Interactive can copyright a trademark like Tomb Raider because it belongs to a specific product complete with its own unique storyline, characters, music, etc. They can copyright the characters for their Tomb Raider games like Lara Croft because she is a unique and specific character within that game world. Of course, the artest who compose the music for the games can copyright that because it was specifically written and performed for that product. All of these things make up the Tomb Raider product, and can b be copyrighted based on specifics that make them unique from other games or products of that type. What Edos Interactive can not do is hold an exclusive copyright on a concept like a female archeologist because it is too generic. Author's like Alex Archer has written a 26 book series called Rogue Angel about a female archeologist who hhappens to rediscovers Joan Of Ark's magic sword and uses it to right wrongs and so on. Alex Archers female archeologist, Onia Creed, and Edos Interactive's female archeologist, Lara Croft, are completely different and each hold separate copyrights under U.S. copyright law because they are very different characters. So to come after my lead character, Angela Carter, Edos Interactive or Alex Archer would have to prove in what way I infrindged upon Lara Croft or Onia Creed. Which I have not infringed on either character. However, I think what happened is by changing the name to Montezuma's Return I unintentionally atracted the attention of Utopia who had produced a game titled Montezuma's Return in 1998. The original game, Montezuma's Revenge, had been published by Parker Brothers in 1984, and was of course available for download from a number of Atari rom sites for free. Its quite possible in hind sight had I not changed the name of the game from Montezuma's Revenge to Montezuma's Return I wouldn't have landed in hot water. As I don't blame Parker Brothers for any part of what went down in 2008. That said, your argument is based on a false asumption. Montezuma's Revenge was abandonware therefore it is legal to clone it. that's not true. The way copyright law works regardless of weather or not a software company supports a game, declares it freeware, abandonware, whatever does not mean the company does not have any copyright control over it. Companies can hold a copyright for a product long after the life time of the original programmers have passed away and most people have forgotten the product existed. It really is up to the company if they want to legally protect those copyrights after a certain amount of time has passed. For instance, you mentioned a number of classics like Packman, Asteroids, etc. You are right those are copyrights held by Activision, but I don't believe Activision really cares about shutting down every clone or possible copyright infringement case because they've made their millions off those games already. If Hasbro wants to create an electronic handheld Packman game they legally have to licence the game from Activision, but if a free open source programmer develops a Packman game for Linux Activision is going to blow it off because there is no money in suing the developer. The intent to release the game as freeware and not for commercial gain makes a huge difference in court cases of copyright infringement. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
hey tom, the folder that contains alikimi games has only monti demo. On 8/26/11, Michael Gauler wrote: > I know that you don't know exactly what is going on about the Montezuma > titles. > I was just wondering what was going on since the original Montezuma's > Revenge was not developed by Utopia and was released before Windows was an > operating system for PC. > Such the original Montezuma game is theoretically classed as Abandonware. > And I am also not sure what the status of the Montezuma's Return from 1998 > is or was when you got your problems with it. > And even if you got problems or James North could have gotten into problems, > then the question to ask would have been is the Name protected, or is the > game and the content also protected. > If "just" the name and/or character(s) is protected, then you can make Mota > 3d with no problems. But since Mota 3d could be an audio clone of any Tomb > Raider game, someone might take offense to this while you do not create a > new Tomb Raider title without permission. > I mean, how many Asteroids and Tetris games or games like the original are > out there? I also know more than one Pacman game and no one has them thrown > out of business. > Hell, Phil Vlasak should be in more legal danger than you had been for the > game concept (not the name) of Monti for his Sarah game, allthough he did > not copy an original Harry Potter character, he copied Hogwarts to some > extend and there are also licensed Harry Potter games and other products on > the market. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I know that you don't know exactly what is going on about the Montezuma titles. I was just wondering what was going on since the original Montezuma's Revenge was not developed by Utopia and was released before Windows was an operating system for PC. Such the original Montezuma game is theoretically classed as Abandonware. And I am also not sure what the status of the Montezuma's Return from 1998 is or was when you got your problems with it. And even if you got problems or James North could have gotten into problems, then the question to ask would have been is the Name protected, or is the game and the content also protected. If "just" the name and/or character(s) is protected, then you can make Mota 3d with no problems. But since Mota 3d could be an audio clone of any Tomb Raider game, someone might take offense to this while you do not create a new Tomb Raider title without permission. I mean, how many Asteroids and Tetris games or games like the original are out there? I also know more than one Pacman game and no one has them thrown out of business. Hell, Phil Vlasak should be in more legal danger than you had been for the game concept (not the name) of Monti for his Sarah game, allthough he did not copy an original Harry Potter character, he copied Hogwarts to some extend and there are also licensed Harry Potter games and other products on the market. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Bryan, Yeah, those summer colds do tend to linger forever. Once they get a hold on you they don't want to let go no matter how much medicine and antibiodics you take to get rid of it. This has been the cold from hell as it has been beating me up pretty good. Cheers! On 8/25/11, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Wow. I just had a summer cold myself. Usually they hang around for weeks. So > I haven't even worked on my own projects lately either. > We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi John, Thanks. Its definitely been a rough time for me this week. I'll spare you the gory details, but I've been feeling miserable this week. Cheers! On 8/25/11, john wrote: > Ouch. That sounds really brutal Thomas. Here's hoping you get > better quickly. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ouch. That sounds really brutal Thomas. Here's hoping you get better quickly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Wow. I just had a summer cold myself. Usually they hang around for weeks. So I haven't even worked on my own projects lately either. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games Hi, or at least it will be once I can get out of bed long enough to finish the game. I've been in bed for the past week with a nasty summer cold/flu which has left me physically week, tired, and very very sick. I've been barely able to read my e-mail once a day let alone program anything. Today is the first day in about a week I've been able to get out of bed and keep down an actual meal that didnt' consist of soop and fruit juices. So here is hoping come Saturday I'll be well enough to begin working again. Cheers! On 8/25/11, Bryan Peterson wrote: Agreed. Especially now that MOTA seems to be on or at least approaching the home stretch. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, or at least it will be once I can get out of bed long enough to finish the game. I've been in bed for the past week with a nasty summer cold/flu which has left me physically week, tired, and very very sick. I've been barely able to read my e-mail once a day let alone program anything. Today is the first day in about a week I've been able to get out of bed and keep down an actual meal that didnt' consist of soop and fruit juices. So here is hoping come Saturday I'll be well enough to begin working again. Cheers! On 8/25/11, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Agreed. Especially now that MOTA seems to be on or at least approaching the > home stretch. > We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Agreed. Especially now that MOTA seems to be on or at least approaching the home stretch. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games Hi Michael, I honestly don't have all the answers to your questions. Why James North didn't get in trouble for using the Montezuma's Revenge name may have been purely luck. Bad luck for me and good luck for him. It also may have to do with the fact I changed the title from Montezuma's Revenge to Montezuma's Return which I didn't even know existed and got the attention of someone from Utopia who didn't appreciate me using the Montezuma's Return name. As for weather or not James North would have created "more than a two level demo" I guess we will never know that. I know I created six levels for the game and was planning on 11 before I got shot down. None of that is particularly my falt. In any case rehashing all that old news is counter perductive. Cheers! On 8/25/11, Michael Gauler wrote: For three separately named titles? And might I ask, why James North had not encountered such problems,? I mean, he announced the release of such a game and had he not stopped it and given it to you, he might have later released more than a two level demo. And I have forgotten how it was called exactly, but I am sure to have seen another PC version of Monti (for sighted players) or at least a Monti clone which you could still buy after your Monti got shot down with no problems. Currently I have forgotten how it was called and who had developed it, but if I'll find it again, I'll definitely will look into it... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, I honestly don't have all the answers to your questions. Why James North didn't get in trouble for using the Montezuma's Revenge name may have been purely luck. Bad luck for me and good luck for him. It also may have to do with the fact I changed the title from Montezuma's Revenge to Montezuma's Return which I didn't even know existed and got the attention of someone from Utopia who didn't appreciate me using the Montezuma's Return name. As for weather or not James North would have created "more than a two level demo" I guess we will never know that. I know I created six levels for the game and was planning on 11 before I got shot down. None of that is particularly my falt. In any case rehashing all that old news is counter perductive. Cheers! On 8/25/11, Michael Gauler wrote: > For three separately named titles? > And might I ask, why James North had not encountered such problems,? > I mean, he announced the release of such a game and had he not stopped it > and given it to you, he might have later released more than a two level > demo. > And I have forgotten how it was called exactly, but I am sure to have seen > another PC version of Monti (for sighted players) or at least a Monti clone > which you could still buy after your Monti got shot down with no problems. > Currently I have forgotten how it was called and who had developed it, but > if I'll find it again, I'll definitely will look into it... > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
For all we know that could have been the one that shot down Thomas' Monte. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Michael Gauler" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games For three separately named titles? And might I ask, why James North had not encountered such problems,? I mean, he announced the release of such a game and had he not stopped it and given it to you, he might have later released more than a two level demo. And I have forgotten how it was called exactly, but I am sure to have seen another PC version of Monti (for sighted players) or at least a Monti clone which you could still buy after your Monti got shot down with no problems. Currently I have forgotten how it was called and who had developed it, but if I'll find it again, I'll definitely will look into it... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
For three separately named titles? And might I ask, why James North had not encountered such problems,? I mean, he announced the release of such a game and had he not stopped it and given it to you, he might have later released more than a two level demo. And I have forgotten how it was called exactly, but I am sure to have seen another PC version of Monti (for sighted players) or at least a Monti clone which you could still buy after your Monti got shot down with no problems. Currently I have forgotten how it was called and who had developed it, but if I'll find it again, I'll definitely will look into it... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Michael, That's not what I meant. The people who originally purchased and downloaded the game are allowed to keep the versions they downloaded provided they do not share it with anyone else. As I am no longer legally able to provide downloads for said title that extends to you guys as well. If you have a copy go ahead and play it, but don't redistribute it over the net to everyone else. Its the continuing to redistribute copies over the web despite a court order barring redistribution that is the problem. HTH On 8/25/11, Michael Gauler wrote: > Hi Thomas, > I'd like to ask a question about this. > First there was (in name and title, not content whise) Montezuma's Revenge. > After Beta 6 or 7 you altered the name to Montezuma's Return up to the final > Beta 9. > Finally the last version which could have been Beta 10 was named Mysteries > of the Aztecs Beta 1. > This version could be bought and some people got registration keys after > they bought. > I am one such person who got a legal key to unlock the unfinished version > containing six levels. > Since you said whoever was offering the game (which version?) as a download, > would be violating laws, so the one would have to stop offering it as a > download. > This might sound a bit strange, but does this mean that I who bought a key > from you (the company USA Games) would not be allowed to have a copy of the > game and that I also would be not allowed to use (play) the game in any > form - at least officially and by law? > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Thomas, I'd like to ask a question about this. First there was (in name and title, not content whise) Montezuma's Revenge. After Beta 6 or 7 you altered the name to Montezuma's Return up to the final Beta 9. Finally the last version which could have been Beta 10 was named Mysteries of the Aztecs Beta 1. This version could be bought and some people got registration keys after they bought. I am one such person who got a legal key to unlock the unfinished version containing six levels. Since you said whoever was offering the game (which version?) as a download, would be violating laws, so the one would have to stop offering it as a download. This might sound a bit strange, but does this mean that I who bought a key from you (the company USA Games) would not be allowed to have a copy of the game and that I also would be not allowed to use (play) the game in any form - at least officially and by law? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Jack, You mentioned below that someone was offering Montezuma's Revenge for download. Please, can you provide me with a website address. As this is in direct violation with my copyright agreement with Utopia I must contact the website owner and formally request they remove it from their website immediately or I'll be forced to file a lawsuit. On 8/23/11, Jack F wrote: > Hi Damien, > I want the older versions of the games because the setup files are > small and the sounds are compressed. Downloading is kind of slow for > me when downloading really large files. For instance, the abandonware > games archive where I got the montezuma's revenge demo and the mario > brother's demo took almost 2 hours to download where it was supposed > to be faster than that. Yeah, the file is large, but not like several > gb or something. I know that it shouldn't have taken this long, > because the 1 gb demo of kerzwiel took only an hour and a half. > Thanks. > best regards, > jack --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Jack, Where can one find the abandonware games archive? Best! Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "Jack F" To: "gamers" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games Hi Damien, I want the older versions of the games because the setup files are small and the sounds are compressed. Downloading is kind of slow for me when downloading really large files. For instance, the abandonware games archive where I got the montezuma's revenge demo and the mario brother's demo took almost 2 hours to download where it was supposed to be faster than that. Yeah, the file is large, but not like several gb or something. I know that it shouldn't have taken this long, because the 1 gb demo of kerzwiel took only an hour and a half. Thanks. best regards, jack --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6404 (20110823) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6404 (20110823) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Why I want older versions of the games
Hi Damien, I want the older versions of the games because the setup files are small and the sounds are compressed. Downloading is kind of slow for me when downloading really large files. For instance, the abandonware games archive where I got the montezuma's revenge demo and the mario brother's demo took almost 2 hours to download where it was supposed to be faster than that. Yeah, the file is large, but not like several gb or something. I know that it shouldn't have taken this long, because the 1 gb demo of kerzwiel took only an hour and a half. Thanks. best regards, jack --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
