Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
Along these same lines, I would like to find one that has games that are playable with absolutely no sighted assistance from start to finish. Finding and starting the games, knowing what the target is and when and where to aim or shoot rather than just shooting wildly in all directions and scoring strictly by luck or chance. Games that take skill to play and being able to play them without help. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels Now I know that a lot of this will be personal opinion but I need a place to start. I'm seeking out Christmas gift ideals for my wife and I'm considering some sort of game consul. Now, here is the big question! Which game consuls have the most accessible games? To help, I consider myself a very good blind person when it comes to electronics and gadgets. I used to love the old top gun games where you flew a jet fighter and shot down planes and tanks on the ground. I like mostly those sort of games. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
Hi I to would like to know this as well please. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels Along these same lines, I would like to find one that has games that are playable with absolutely no sighted assistance from start to finish. Finding and starting the games, knowing what the target is and when and where to aim or shoot rather than just shooting wildly in all directions and scoring strictly by luck or chance. Games that take skill to play and being able to play them without help. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels Now I know that a lot of this will be personal opinion but I need a place to start. I'm seeking out Christmas gift ideals for my wife and I'm considering some sort of game consul. Now, here is the big question! Which game consuls have the most accessible games? To help, I consider myself a very good blind person when it comes to electronics and gadgets. I used to love the old top gun games where you flew a jet fighter and shot down planes and tanks on the ground. I like mostly those sort of games. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
Hi Charles, Unfortunately, I don't know of any mainstream console like that. All of them require some sighted assistance when you are starting out. Even if it is just to have someone read off the menus so you can braille them up for later reference and things like that. However, as been said many times fighting games like Street Fighter, MK vs DC, and things like that can be successfully played on your own once you get the hang of the various moves, menus, and other basics like that out of the way. Unfortunately, games I like to play such as Tomb Raider Underworld can't be played without sighted assistance because the levels are too complex. They are fully 3d with Lara Croft having to climb walls, polls, jump over pits, and all kinds of stuff that makes it difficult to do without both sight and dead on accuracy. Sometimes I have to hand the controller to my wife to get passed a certain trap etc as I simply can't do it without sight. So any kind of 3d third-person game isn't something for us to play. Not really unless you have sighted asistance. Fighting games like Street Fighter are managable though. On 11/19/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Along these same lines, I would like to find one that has games that are playable with absolutely no sighted assistance from start to finish. Finding and starting the games, knowing what the target is and when and where to aim or shoot rather than just shooting wildly in all directions and scoring strictly by luck or chance. Games that take skill to play and being able to play them without help. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
Hi Tony, Well, in terms of number of playable games I'd still say your best bet would be the Play Station 2. However, those are rapidly being replaced by the Play Station 3, and I'm not sure exactly how many PS3 games are playable from a low vision/blind standpoint. MK verses DC is, and a few other fighting games in that style, but it sounds to me that isn't exactly what you are after. From the sound of your message mentioning Top Gun it sounds like you are after something classic arcade? If so I honestly have to say the arcade game style has pretty much vanished around the 1990's. Now, days console games, big name console games, are mostly live action RPG games, first-person or third-person shooters, hand-to-hand fighting games, and of course sports games. I can't think of a single new arcade game for XBox or Play Station. For arcade stuff Nintendo seams to market to that kind of group and I know they are working on a new Mario Brothers release for 2011. As far as how accessible Nintendo's arcade games are I couldn't say. On 11/19/10, Blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: Now I know that a lot of this will be personal opinion but I need a place to start. I'm seeking out Christmas gift ideals for my wife and I'm considering some sort of game consul. Now, here is the big question! Which game consuls have the most accessible games? To help, I consider myself a very good blind person when it comes to electronics and gadgets. I used to love the old top gun games where you flew a jet fighter and shot down planes and tanks on the ground. I like mostly those sort of games. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
well I know that a load of game play stuff was done for games on the ps1 ps2 and ps3 as well as a few on the psp, xbox xbox360 and some of the nintendo systems. Right now though as I am going away soon I only have enough working to run the laptop and check mail. At 07:10 a.m. 20/11/2010, you wrote: Hi Tony, Well, in terms of number of playable games I'd still say your best bet would be the Play Station 2. However, those are rapidly being replaced by the Play Station 3, and I'm not sure exactly how many PS3 games are playable from a low vision/blind standpoint. MK verses DC is, and a few other fighting games in that style, but it sounds to me that isn't exactly what you are after. From the sound of your message mentioning Top Gun it sounds like you are after something classic arcade? If so I honestly have to say the arcade game style has pretty much vanished around the 1990's. Now, days console games, big name console games, are mostly live action RPG games, first-person or third-person shooters, hand-to-hand fighting games, and of course sports games. I can't think of a single new arcade game for XBox or Play Station. For arcade stuff Nintendo seams to market to that kind of group and I know they are working on a new Mario Brothers release for 2011. As far as how accessible Nintendo's arcade games are I couldn't say. On 11/19/10, Blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: Now I know that a lot of this will be personal opinion but I need a place to start. I'm seeking out Christmas gift ideals for my wife and I'm considering some sort of game consul. Now, here is the big question! Which game consuls have the most accessible games? To help, I consider myself a very good blind person when it comes to electronics and gadgets. I used to love the old top gun games where you flew a jet fighter and shot down planes and tanks on the ground. I like mostly those sort of games. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
Okay. To charles and Tony, there aren't going to be games where you can just pick up and play without getting menus read to you. And as Tom already said, classic arcade shooters like that have pretty much vanished off the earth in modern day games. However, in terms of playable games, I would agree with tom obout the ps2, followed closely by the ps3. Fighting games are popular, as well as mlb, fight night, smackdown vs. raw, rock band, etc. But it all comes down to preference. If you want a good, slim controller in your hands then by all means go for the sony consoles. I love the ps3, and the games available for it are quite good in terms of playability. Most of them, anyway. The XBOX360 has a more blind-friendly way of managing online stuff, buying games from the marketplace, etc. But I personally prefer the ps3 because of the controller, and fighting games are a blast to play, though granted fighting games on the ps3 are more likely than not available on xbox360 as well. In the end, it boils down to what you want. If you go into a bit more detail, we could try and help you a bit more. But as Tom already said, if you're looking for scrolling shooters like top gun style things, then you're out of luck there. At 08:25 AM 19/11/2010, you wrote: Now I know that a lot of this will be personal opinion but I need a place to start. I'm seeking out Christmas gift ideals for my wife and I'm considering some sort of game consul. Now, here is the big question! Which game consuls have the most accessible games? To help, I consider myself a very good blind person when it comes to electronics and gadgets. I used to love the old top gun games where you flew a jet fighter and shot down planes and tanks on the ground. I like mostly those sort of games. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tony --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
I do not ever see a console being availible we can use totally independently. It's just something we have to deal with and accept. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:00 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels Hi Charles, Unfortunately, I don't know of any mainstream console like that. All of them require some sighted assistance when you are starting out. Even if it is just to have someone read off the menus so you can braille them up for later reference and things like that. However, as been said many times fighting games like Street Fighter, MK vs DC, and things like that can be successfully played on your own once you get the hang of the various moves, menus, and other basics like that out of the way. Unfortunately, games I like to play such as Tomb Raider Underworld can't be played without sighted assistance because the levels are too complex. They are fully 3d with Lara Croft having to climb walls, polls, jump over pits, and all kinds of stuff that makes it difficult to do without both sight and dead on accuracy. Sometimes I have to hand the controller to my wife to get passed a certain trap etc as I simply can't do it without sight. So any kind of 3d third-person game isn't something for us to play. Not really unless you have sighted asistance. Fighting games like Street Fighter are managable though. On 11/19/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Along these same lines, I would like to find one that has games that are playable with absolutely no sighted assistance from start to finish. Finding and starting the games, knowing what the target is and when and where to aim or shoot rather than just shooting wildly in all directions and scoring strictly by luck or chance. Games that take skill to play and being able to play them without help. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels
This is true. Those of us who are into mainstream games realize that at some point, we're going to have to ask sighted people for help... it's a fact of life. At 04:11 PM 19/11/2010, you wrote: I do not ever see a console being availible we can use totally independently. It's just something we have to deal with and accept. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:00 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessable game concels Hi Charles, Unfortunately, I don't know of any mainstream console like that. All of them require some sighted assistance when you are starting out. Even if it is just to have someone read off the menus so you can braille them up for later reference and things like that. However, as been said many times fighting games like Street Fighter, MK vs DC, and things like that can be successfully played on your own once you get the hang of the various moves, menus, and other basics like that out of the way. Unfortunately, games I like to play such as Tomb Raider Underworld can't be played without sighted assistance because the levels are too complex. They are fully 3d with Lara Croft having to climb walls, polls, jump over pits, and all kinds of stuff that makes it difficult to do without both sight and dead on accuracy. Sometimes I have to hand the controller to my wife to get passed a certain trap etc as I simply can't do it without sight. So any kind of 3d third-person game isn't something for us to play. Not really unless you have sighted asistance. Fighting games like Street Fighter are managable though. On 11/19/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Along these same lines, I would like to find one that has games that are playable with absolutely no sighted assistance from start to finish. Finding and starting the games, knowing what the target is and when and where to aim or shoot rather than just shooting wildly in all directions and scoring strictly by luck or chance. Games that take skill to play and being able to play them without help. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, And I'd also like to add, if this hasn't been said already, that the games that we can play require a lot of time, practice, and a good deal of doing things from memory. For example, since menus don't speak you might write it down, braille it up, etc but sooner or later you are going to just want to remember the menus to navigate them faster. In game play if you are playing a game it helps to commit to memory certain game sounds so you can successfully block an attack, and can counter it quickly. Unfortunately, you don't have a handy sound descriptions menu right there so you pretty much are on your own figuring out what sound means what. In short, what I'm saying is it does take both a lot of time and a lot of patients learning and getting good at any mainstream game because it pretty much boils down to playing based on nothing more than your own memory and sound queues. HTH On 11/19/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: This is true. Those of us who are into mainstream games realize that at some point, we're going to have to ask sighted people for help... it's a fact of life. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Good thing there are training modes in every fighting game you pick up... but one more thing to add to what you said, Tom. A lot of it is memory and sound cues... but it's also important to keep track of where you are on the screen. This is why I'm a decent SF player... because I can bait my opponents into coming in near me where I can do the most damage. If a move moves you to the other side of the screen, it's important to know that. If a move moves you back from your opponent or pushes them back out of your range, it's enough to know that, as well... At 08:26 PM 19/11/2010, you wrote: Hi, And I'd also like to add, if this hasn't been said already, that the games that we can play require a lot of time, practice, and a good deal of doing things from memory. For example, since menus don't speak you might write it down, braille it up, etc but sooner or later you are going to just want to remember the menus to navigate them faster. In game play if you are playing a game it helps to commit to memory certain game sounds so you can successfully block an attack, and can counter it quickly. Unfortunately, you don't have a handy sound descriptions menu right there so you pretty much are on your own figuring out what sound means what. In short, what I'm saying is it does take both a lot of time and a lot of patients learning and getting good at any mainstream game because it pretty much boils down to playing based on nothing more than your own memory and sound queues. HTH On 11/19/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: This is true. Those of us who are into mainstream games realize that at some point, we're going to have to ask sighted people for help... it's a fact of life. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
