Re: [Audyssey] Disrespect for devs and notes on operating systems
Hi Che, I don't know if you are aware of this but Android is actually a Linux varient. So when you say us Linux users are dreamers, doesn't have mass apeal, and then announce that we all could be using Android in a few years you are defeating your own argument since Android is a mobile version of Linux designed for Android phones. Besides that Linux is showing up in all kinds of devices cell phones, your Play Station III, on network servers, some Del netbooks, etc. So regardless what you say Linux does have mass apeal and support for Linux is growing. Especially, in the handheld devices market. The success of Android, which is based on Linux technology, proves the success of Linux in the mainstream market. The one thing I do agree with you on that Android phones, IPhones, IPods, etc have become extremely popular, and it would not surprise me in the least if tomorrows computers are no bigger than a cell phone and they run a mobile version of Linux like Android or Apples IOS. Which of course will only prove my point that developing games based on Windows 98 era programming languages, tools, and libraries probably is not a good idea given that Android, IOS, etc is probably in our future. In either case you are right for the moment though a person should do what makes them happy regardless of what I say or anyone else says. Cheers! On 6/9/11, Che wrote: >Amen to charles on that one. >also, keep in mind you can still play DOS stuff on win 7 if I'm not > badly mistaken. >I remember playing Zork on xp a few years ago, as long as there is a > demand for emulators out there, we could be playing Jim's life right up > until the end of ours. >On the OS front, all this talk of linux versus macs versus windows > etc. seems to be missing something. How long before android becomes the > operating system for not just your phone, but your main computer, which > may actually end up being your phone, your car, your fridge, etc. >One way or the other, the days of expensive operating systems for > home users are numbered as everything moves to the cloud, and those that > think linux is coming out on top of that battle are dreaming the big > dream as well. Linux is not going to gain mass appeal, but look how > quickly iOS and android have spread. when something gets that ubiquitous > that fast, and folks get used to it, its position is sealed for a long > time to come. >Already, the teenagers in my family can fly on android and iOS, get > what they want done on it, and don't bother that much with the desktops > at all. Their digital world is android and iOS, and windows, Mac OS > etc. is becoming an after thought. just a matter of time before these > free OS' take over, and with the power and money google and apple have, > you can bet they will be pushing the demise of windows hard. >and yes, i know android has a long way to go, ditto for iOS before > being able to do all we want as a computer system, especially the > accessible stuff, but you can bet your bottom dollar a large chunk of > folks will be running android or a variant of it on their main systems > before the decade is out. >so to that end, you guys abandoning windows and going with linux are > in the same boat as everyone else, the only difference is your efforts > will probably have a shorter shelf life than anything jim has put out, > barring the ocasional ports and emulations on next gen operating systems. >having said all that, i've spent considerable time and efort on my > games for windows, and i'm confident there are quite a few years of > enjoyment to be had from them in the accessible community. >bottom line, nobody is getting rich off accessible games, if you want > to program them in vb 6, or aim them at macs and linux, or whatever, as > long as your enjoying it, go for it, and don't let anyone else throw a > wet blanket on what your doing. the digital landscape is covered in ice, > who knows for sure where we're headed, but there is no point in slamming > anyone else for how they choose to bring their digital creations into > this world, we need all the creative minds we can get in the accessible > gaming community, thats the important part, not the tools your using. >Later, >Che, AKA The Swami > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Disrespect for devs and notes on operating systems
Che, androyd is linux. -original message- Subject: [Audyssey] Disrespect for devs and notes on operating systems From: Che Date: 09/06/2011 4:22 pm Amen to charles on that one. also, keep in mind you can still play DOS stuff on win 7 if I'm not badly mistaken. I remember playing Zork on xp a few years ago, as long as there is a demand for emulators out there, we could be playing Jim's life right up until the end of ours. On the OS front, all this talk of linux versus macs versus windows etc. seems to be missing something. How long before android becomes the operating system for not just your phone, but your main computer, which may actually end up being your phone, your car, your fridge, etc. One way or the other, the days of expensive operating systems for home users are numbered as everything moves to the cloud, and those that think linux is coming out on top of that battle are dreaming the big dream as well. Linux is not going to gain mass appeal, but look how quickly iOS and android have spread. when something gets that ubiquitous that fast, and folks get used to it, its position is sealed for a long time to come. Already, the teenagers in my family can fly on android and iOS, get what they want done on it, and don't bother that much with the desktops at all. Their digital world is android and iOS, and windows, Mac OS etc. is becoming an after thought. just a matter of time before these free OS' take over, and with the power and money google and apple have, you can bet they will be pushing the demise of windows hard. and yes, i know android has a long way to go, ditto for iOS before being able to do all we want as a computer system, especially the accessible stuff, but you can bet your bottom dollar a large chunk of folks will be running android or a variant of it on their main systems before the decade is out. so to that end, you guys abandoning windows and going with linux are in the same boat as everyone else, the only difference is your efforts will probably have a shorter shelf life than anything jim has put out, barring the ocasional ports and emulations on next gen operating systems. having said all that, i've spent considerable time and efort on my games for windows, and i'm confident there are quite a few years of enjoyment to be had from them in the accessible community. bottom line, nobody is getting rich off accessible games, if you want to program them in vb 6, or aim them at macs and linux, or whatever, as long as your enjoying it, go for it, and don't let anyone else throw a wet blanket on what your doing. the digital landscape is covered in ice, who knows for sure where we're headed, but there is no point in slamming anyone else for how they choose to bring their digital creations into this world, we need all the creative minds we can get in the accessible gaming community, thats the important part, not the tools your using. Later, Che, AKA The Swami On 6/9/2011 8:49 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: > Jim has put out a lot of free fun for blind gamers as a hobby over the years, > and I think we should appreciatively let him continue his endeavours as he > sees fit. if a game doesn't work on your system, don't get it. > > Shepherds are the best beasts! > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Trouble wrote: > >> i do see where you come from Jim, but its a lost cause and here is why. I >> got one game that I liked called PZ98. Now that was a very nice game to play >> and have spent hours and even days at that tank. >> I had a problem with getting it running and Phil and Kelley took the time to >> get mine working. I can get it to work on everything but win7. It will run >> but not how it was made to run. >> That my friend is where you will be sitting. Your stuff works now but is >> getting very short time All the time spent bitching about it could of ben >> spent looking at .net or anything being used today. >> A rock that don't move gets no moss but a lot of bird... >> >> At 06:26 AM 6/9/2011, you wrote: >>> Hi Ken and Jeremy, >>> >>> Yeah, I still do not know what the big deal is about us programming our >>> games in VB6. I mean installing my winkit.zip file is minuscule and simple >>> to do as compared to needing to install the 300 meg latest net frame work >>> and the very latest DirectX. But hey I have been creating blind accessible >>> games for over 20 years and found out a very long time ago that I need to >>> have a thick skin because no matter what I do, I am not going to totally >>> please every one. But I am very happy in that I always have and still do >>> get allot of very positive feedback from my games. Now not always from the >>> Audyssey list, but in private Email and phone calls. That is not to say >>> that I don't from the Audyssey list as well, but... I am still having fun >>> creating games and plan to keep on doing so for the foreseeable future. >>> >>> Lets all just have fun and
