Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-23 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Agreed. Fact is Ian is the author of his games, and he soully has the 
right to decide how they get redistributed. While I might disagree with 
him about using email instead of offering them for download it is still 
his decision to make. Besides it has taken me longer to get things from 
Amazon.com than it took Ian to send me the Chess setup. I emailed him 
two days ago, and it just came in my inbox this morning. So a little 
patients is required. I like Chess as well as the next guy, but my world 
wasn't  going to fall apart if the game didn't end up in my inbox 5 
minutes after I made the request. Sheesh.

Marsha wrote:
>   If he is willing to put time and effert into making these games, free of 
> charge, isn't it worth our time to do as he asks.  It is very hard, after 
> all, to send a reply with our name and country in the message.  When there 
> are sites who treat their users very badly, it is nice to see someone who is 
> willing to take time for free.  How about saying thanks instead of 
> complaining?
>
> marsha 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-22 Thread Marsha
  If he is willing to put time and effert into making these games, free of 
charge, isn't it worth our time to do as he asks.  It is very hard, after 
all, to send a reply with our name and country in the message.  When there 
are sites who treat their users very badly, it is nice to see someone who is 
willing to take time for free.  How about saying thanks instead of 
complaining?

marsha 




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Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-22 Thread Charles Rivard
It's not all that time consuming to wait for an Email.  How he sends the 
game out is his decision, and you have no room to complain.  The price is 
right.  Nothing.  Have you suggested to him, directly, that he make the 
games available for download rather than sending them through Email?  If so, 
what did he send as his reasoning?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Will Lomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind 
GamersChessChallenge


> why doesn't he just put the damn games up for download why mess aroud
> getting it through e mail that is why i have never played his game, he
> makes getting them so time consuming
>
> On 22 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Michael Feir wrote:
>
>> I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play
>> Chess
>> often but always like to see how well accessible games are
>> implemented. I
>> expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty
>> popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like?
>> Michael Feir
>> Author of Personal Power:
>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>> 2006-2008
>> www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power
>>
>> A Life of Word and Sound
>> 2003-2007
>> http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound
>>
>> Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
>> 1996-2004
>> Check out my blog at:
>> www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM
>> Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers
>> ChessChallenge
>>
>>
>>>> From my inbox.
>>>
>>> I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly,
>>> with some
>>> features that beginners will appreciate.  Here are the ratings of the
>>> skill
>>> levels:
>>>
>>> Beginner: 600
>>> Novice: 1000
>>> Intermediate: 1400
>>> Advanced: 1900
>>> Expert: 2300
>>>
>>> Give it a try and see what you think?  The game is free of charge.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> "The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS"
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Spoonbill Software - Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM
>>> Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> You are receiving this email because you have previously requested
>>>> a game
>>>> from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to
>>>> receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be
>>>> removed from my notification list.
>>>>
>>>> You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers
>>>> page at:
>>>>
>>>> www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm
>>>>
>>>> BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible,
>>>> Vision
>>>> impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual
>>>> acuity.
>>>> It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess
>>>> players. A
>>>> separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never
>>>> played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the
>>>> computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert,
>>>> so that
>>>> you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own
>>>> skill
>>>> level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted
>>>> spouses
>>>> can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill
>>>> Software's
>>>> accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only
>>>> need your
>>>> screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To
>>>> Play Chess
>>>> document.
>>>>
>>>> BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers
>>>> series of
>>>> accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this
>>>> email
>>>> requesting BG Chess Challeng

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-22 Thread shaun everiss
Well I had cchess 6000 and chest master 6000 on a system a while ago.
I remember I ran cm600 and cchess on a system with my brother and ran the same 
stuff on a system and got both programs running eachother on both systems and 
on the second system, ofcause we had a 10 sec time setting for decisions but 
the systems played chess which was interesting.
At 07:09 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote:
>Hey,
>I've also emailed for a copy. Sounds interesting. Never played chess in my 
>life, so hope it works out for me.
>It was Harry Potter that got me interested in the idea of chess. Yeah, I 
>know that's weird *grin*.
>Regards,
>Damien.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Michael Feir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" 
>
>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind 
>GamersChessChallenge
>
>
>>I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play Chess
>> often but always like to see how well accessible games are implemented. I
>> expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty
>> popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like?
>> Michael Feir
>> Author of Personal Power:
>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>> 2006-2008
>> www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power
>>
>> A Life of Word and Sound
>> 2003-2007
>> http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound
>>
>> Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
>> 1996-2004
>> Check out my blog at:
>> www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM
>> Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers
>> ChessChallenge
>>
>>
>>> >From my inbox.
>>>
>>> I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly, with some
>>> features that beginners will appreciate.  Here are the ratings of the
>>> skill
>>> levels:
>>>
>>> Beginner: 600
>>> Novice: 1000
>>> Intermediate: 1400
>>> Advanced: 1900
>>> Expert: 2300
>>>
>>> Give it a try and see what you think?  The game is free of charge.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>  "The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS"
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Spoonbill Software - Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM
>>> Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a 
>>>> game
>>>> from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to
>>>> receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be
>>>> removed from my notification list.
>>>>
>>>> You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers page 
>>>> at:
>>>>
>>>> www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm
>>>>
>>>> BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible,
>>>> Vision
>>>> impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual acuity.
>>>> It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess players. 
>>>> A
>>>> separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never
>>>> played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the
>>>> computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert, so 
>>>> that
>>>> you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own skill
>>>> level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted 
>>>> spouses
>>>> can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill
>>>> Software's
>>>> accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only need your
>>>> screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To Play 
>>>> Chess
>>>> document.
>>>>
>>>> BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers series of
>>>> accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this email
>>>> re

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-22 Thread shaun everiss
yeah I aggree with you mike.
Ofcause he does have more control on what goes out etc.
if his site gets hacked or virused there is not a real problem because his 
stuff is not up there just pages.
but who knows.
yeah he will be swamped.
last time it took me a few weeks to get things.
At 05:25 a.m. 23/09/2008, you wrote:
>He seems to prefer to destribute his games via email. Personally, I would 
>think he'd do better to have a site set up where people could download them 
>and perhaps fill in a form with their name, email and whereabouts. I don't 
>think many people at all would begrudge him the time to fill in such a form. 
>He's probably going to get swamped this time around though. Think of all 
>those blind chess groups, schools with chess clubs, parents and others who 
>are going to pounce on this. It's going to be quite a hefty number I'd say.
>Michael Feir
>Author of Personal Power:
>How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>2006-2008
>www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power
>
>A Life of Word and Sound
>2003-2007
>http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound
>
>Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
>1996-2004
>Check out my blog at:
>www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Will Lomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind 
>GamersChessChallenge
>
>
>> why doesn't he just put the damn games up for download why mess aroud
>> getting it through e mail that is why i have never played his game, he
>> makes getting them so time consuming
>>
>> On 22 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Michael Feir wrote:
>>
>>> I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play
>>> Chess
>>> often but always like to see how well accessible games are
>>> implemented. I
>>> expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty
>>> popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like?
>>> Michael Feir
>>> Author of Personal Power:
>>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>>> 2006-2008
>>> www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power
>>>
>>> A Life of Word and Sound
>>> 2003-2007
>>> http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound
>>>
>>> Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
>>> 1996-2004
>>> Check out my blog at:
>>> www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM
>>> Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers
>>> ChessChallenge
>>>
>>>
>>>>> From my inbox.
>>>>
>>>> I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly,
>>>> with some
>>>> features that beginners will appreciate.  Here are the ratings of the
>>>> skill
>>>> levels:
>>>>
>>>> Beginner: 600
>>>> Novice: 1000
>>>> Intermediate: 1400
>>>> Advanced: 1900
>>>> Expert: 2300
>>>>
>>>> Give it a try and see what you think?  The game is free of charge.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> "The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS"
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Spoonbill Software - Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> >
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> You are receiving this email because you have previously requested
>>>>> a game
>>>>> from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to
>>>>> receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be
>>>>> removed from my notification list.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers
>>>>> page at:
>>>>>
>>>>> www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible,
>>>>> Vision
>>>>> impaired a

Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-22 Thread Damien Sadler
Hey,
I've also emailed for a copy. Sounds interesting. Never played chess in my 
life, so hope it works out for me.
It was Harry Potter that got me interested in the idea of chess. Yeah, I 
know that's weird *grin*.
Regards,
Damien.




- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Feir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" 

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind 
GamersChessChallenge


>I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play Chess
> often but always like to see how well accessible games are implemented. I
> expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty
> popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like?
> Michael Feir
> Author of Personal Power:
> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
> 2006-2008
> www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power
>
> A Life of Word and Sound
> 2003-2007
> http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound
>
> Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
> 1996-2004
> Check out my blog at:
> www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM
> Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers
> ChessChallenge
>
>
>> >From my inbox.
>>
>> I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly, with some
>> features that beginners will appreciate.  Here are the ratings of the
>> skill
>> levels:
>>
>> Beginner: 600
>> Novice: 1000
>> Intermediate: 1400
>> Advanced: 1900
>> Expert: 2300
>>
>> Give it a try and see what you think?  The game is free of charge.
>>
>> ---
>>  "The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS"
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Spoonbill Software - Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM
>> Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a 
>>> game
>>> from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to
>>> receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be
>>> removed from my notification list.
>>>
>>> You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers page 
>>> at:
>>>
>>> www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm
>>>
>>> BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible,
>>> Vision
>>> impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual acuity.
>>> It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess players. 
>>> A
>>> separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never
>>> played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the
>>> computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert, so 
>>> that
>>> you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own skill
>>> level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted 
>>> spouses
>>> can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoonbill
>>> Software's
>>> accessible games, it is completely self voicing. You will only need your
>>> screen reader to read the on-line help, or the separate How To Play 
>>> Chess
>>> document.
>>>
>>> BG Chess Challenge is the fourteenth game in the Blind Gamers series of
>>> accessible games and is free for the asking. Just reply to this email
>>> requesting BG Chess Challenge and stating your full name and country of
>>> residence. Only people who have kept me up to date with their latest
>>> email
>>> address will be able to be notified of new games. Why not send for a 
>>> copy
>>> today, even if you've never played before, and take up the chess
>>> challenge?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ian Humphreys
>>> Spoonbill Software
>>> Albany, Western Australia
>>
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-22 Thread dark
Will, I find this response a bit over the top.

ian simply likes to speak personally to people playing his games. he was 
apparently offered hoasting on audiogames.net but actually said he 
prefferred to know who was playing his games, and what they thought o them, 
not to mention adding them to the mailing list for future releases. I can 
well see if I was a games developer, i'd much rather speak to people myself 
than just have them come and grab.

Not to play someone's games simply because you can't be bothered to send an 
E-mail is imho, a tad lazy, - not to mention slightly rude.

appologies for this rather hot response, but i've had several e-mail chats 
with ian, and he's a really nice fellow,  not to mention that he makes 
rather good games.

afterall, he doesn't even ask you to pay for them!
Beware the Grue!

dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind GamersChessChallenge

2008-09-22 Thread Michael Feir
He seems to prefer to destribute his games via email. Personally, I would 
think he'd do better to have a site set up where people could download them 
and perhaps fill in a form with their name, email and whereabouts. I don't 
think many people at all would begrudge him the time to fill in such a form. 
He's probably going to get swamped this time around though. Think of all 
those blind chess groups, schools with chess clubs, parents and others who 
are going to pounce on this. It's going to be quite a hefty number I'd say.
Michael Feir
Author of Personal Power:
How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
2006-2008
www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power

A Life of Word and Sound
2003-2007
http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound

Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
1996-2004
Check out my blog at:
www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Will Lomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind 
GamersChessChallenge


> why doesn't he just put the damn games up for download why mess aroud
> getting it through e mail that is why i have never played his game, he
> makes getting them so time consuming
>
> On 22 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Michael Feir wrote:
>
>> I hope I get the game from him soon to check it out. I don't play
>> Chess
>> often but always like to see how well accessible games are
>> implemented. I
>> expect he'll get flooded with emails this time around. Chess is pretty
>> popular. In layman's terms, what is a rating of 2300 like?
>> Michael Feir
>> Author of Personal Power:
>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>> 2006-2008
>> www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power
>>
>> A Life of Word and Sound
>> 2003-2007
>> http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound
>>
>> Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
>> 1996-2004
>> Check out my blog at:
>> www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:04 PM
>> Subject: [Audyssey] Fw: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers
>> ChessChallenge
>>
>>
>>>> From my inbox.
>>>
>>> I was a tester for this game, and it is totally blind friendly,
>>> with some
>>> features that beginners will appreciate.  Here are the ratings of the
>>> skill
>>> levels:
>>>
>>> Beginner: 600
>>> Novice: 1000
>>> Intermediate: 1400
>>> Advanced: 1900
>>> Expert: 2300
>>>
>>> Give it a try and see what you think?  The game is free of charge.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> "The Difference Between Obama and Osama is Just a Little BS"
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Spoonbill Software - Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:55 AM
>>> Subject: Announcing the release of Blind Gamers Chess Challenge
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> You are receiving this email because you have previously requested
>>>> a game
>>>> from Spoonbill Software's Blind Gamers series. If you do not want to
>>>> receive notification of new games, reply to this email and ask to be
>>>> removed from my notification list.
>>>>
>>>> You can read all about the new game by visiting the blind gamers
>>>> page at:
>>>>
>>>> www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm
>>>>
>>>> BG Chess Challenge runs in three different modes: Blind accessible,
>>>> Vision
>>>> impaired and Sighted, so it is suitable for all levels of visual
>>>> acuity.
>>>> It is also suitable for beginners as well as experienced chess
>>>> players. A
>>>> separate Word document explains how to play chess, if you have never
>>>> played before or need to brush up on the rules and you can set the
>>>> computer player's skill level anywhere between Novice and Expert,
>>>> so that
>>>> you can be ensured of a challenging game regardless of your own
>>>> skill
>>>> level. In blind mode, graphics are still provided so that sighted
>>>> spouses
>>>> can play along with their blind partners. As with all Spoo