Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Louise Keel Sent: 09 September 2009 19:57 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi everyone. I too was raised as a Jehovah's witness and my childhood was blighted by its radicalism. I also quit as soon as I was able to, and it took some doing! The point is, parents do have the right to decide what kind of computer and video games they will allow their kids to play, because they are parents. But in my view, once you become an adult, no one, no one has the right to tell anyone else what they must or must not play for relaxation. This is up to everyone's indevidual conscience. I spend a lot of time smashing up Old Man Stanley's house. this does not mean I'm going to suddenly get it into my head to go out and start wrecking homes here. it's. a. game! And I may also add, in case I may be accused of predjudice, that Jehovah's witnesses are far from the only Christian fundamentalists who try to tell others what to play, watch, listen to, read, think. It's not on. That is, I hasten to add, only my opinion. Best Lulu Keel. Now faith, hope, love abide, these three. But the greatest of these is love. - Original Message - From: ChB chr1...@gmx.de To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3 articles To each his own, as long as nobody forces their religion or religious organisations on me. Just do not like radicals among those groups, who force their beliefs on their kids or abandon them when they try to get away from it. That is taking things to extremes. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming: 3 articles The important thing to remember is that all of us come from different backgrounds and beliefs. So let's be careful here on list when responding to something like this. Many thanks. On 9/9/2009 1:50 PM, Nicol wrote: Hi all My mom is still today a jehovah' witness. I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit them, deciding that I do not find Jesus amongst them. Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles. The articles comes from a software package called watchtower library that baptized Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price. So my mom pulled the articles from there. 2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses about pc and video gaming. Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you might find interesting what they had to say about computer and video gaming. There is an article about video and computer games in general and then there is an article on role playing games where they made a few negative comments. I would very much like some of your's opinions on the first and/or second articles. The third article is about toys children made themselves in the ancient days. Please let me know what you think about these articles. Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too strict but others might differ from me. -- Raul A. Gallegos http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
I punched a lot of pillows as well, and it did help. Also I would rather see a kid playing appropriate games for his age at home, then have him beat up old ladies and rob handbags. chrissy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Absolutely right. That energy has to go somewhere you have to release it. If it's a question of releasing it on another or on something that is otherwise meaningless but won't be harmed, what do you do. If I'm really annoyed at something I'll just power up x2 or something like that, fly to a sector of space where there's pirate ships in plenty and kill as many of them as I can. And if I'm in a really bad mood if there are any pilets that eject I'll go after them as well. That doesn't make me bad it just means that I'm venting my anger in a harmless way or not harmful to others. Lol for the pilet though! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 September 2009 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
If my other half would only realize this. When I get frustrated, or worse, mad, I sometimes stomp on the floor or talk under my breath. That's better than hurting any human, isn't it? It does not make me a terrible person if I do these things. I sometimes play a game of either Aliens in the Outback or Troopanum2 to relieve pent up frustration. This, too, is far better than taking something out on other humans. I would never hurt someone out of anger, especially women. I'm just not that kind of guy. But I sure do like my games at times! As for religious beliefs and games, I know the difference between games and reality, and behave accordingly. Because I enjoy a series of books dealing with fictional characters learning and using magic, it does not mean that I am going to hell because I believe in magic or that I take part in magic. It merely means that I enjoy the fictional books. The key is that they are, and so are games, fictional, and I treat them accordingly. Stop repeat offenders! Don't reelect them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely right. That energy has to go somewhere you have to release it. If it's a question of releasing it on another or on something that is otherwise meaningless but won't be harmed, what do you do. If I'm really annoyed at something I'll just power up x2 or something like that, fly to a sector of space where there's pirate ships in plenty and kill as many of them as I can. And if I'm in a really bad mood if there are any pilets that eject I'll go after them as well. That doesn't make me bad it just means that I'm venting my anger in a harmless way or not harmful to others. Lol for the pilet though! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 September 2009 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles
Lol and there was me thinking that you were going to start up a protect the earth federation because of the threat represented in aliens in the outback? Lol sorry couldn't resist smile. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 10 September 2009 19:02 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles If my other half would only realize this. When I get frustrated, or worse, mad, I sometimes stomp on the floor or talk under my breath. That's better than hurting any human, isn't it? It does not make me a terrible person if I do these things. I sometimes play a game of either Aliens in the Outback or Troopanum2 to relieve pent up frustration. This, too, is far better than taking something out on other humans. I would never hurt someone out of anger, especially women. I'm just not that kind of guy. But I sure do like my games at times! As for religious beliefs and games, I know the difference between games and reality, and behave accordingly. Because I enjoy a series of books dealing with fictional characters learning and using magic, it does not mean that I am going to hell because I believe in magic or that I take part in magic. It merely means that I enjoy the fictional books. The key is that they are, and so are games, fictional, and I treat them accordingly. Stop repeat offenders! Don't reelect them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Absolutely right. That energy has to go somewhere you have to release it. If it's a question of releasing it on another or on something that is otherwise meaningless but won't be harmed, what do you do. If I'm really annoyed at something I'll just power up x2 or something like that, fly to a sector of space where there's pirate ships in plenty and kill as many of them as I can. And if I'm in a really bad mood if there are any pilets that eject I'll go after them as well. That doesn't make me bad it just means that I'm venting my anger in a harmless way or not harmful to others. Lol for the pilet though! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 September 2009 14:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles Hi, Agreed. A lot of it comes down to harmless fantacy or roll playing on the part of the gamer. In real life I would never beat the crap out of somebody because I was angry at them, perform a spinal rip, or chop their head off. However, afgter having an extremely stressful day or big argument with my wife I can take my frustration out in a game like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. There I can beat the living crap out of anyone and anything, and nobody gets hurt for real. I wonder what some of these Christians thinks about stress management. When I first lost my sight I was very angry all the time and one of the stress management counselors suggested I take an old pillow and beat on it. That's what society might consider violent behavior, but it is controlled violent behavior. My intention is not to hurt anyone, but relieve my anger by acting out my stress and rage in a way that comes out naturally. I've got a choice. I can put on a set of boxing gloves and let loose on a punching bag, or I can go to town on a living person like my wife. Anyone in their right mind would say use the punching bag. Sowhat is the difference in doing the same thing in a game? Darren Harris wrote: Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else. To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found
