gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread Jose, Marshall
Well, re-doing the PCB GUI is a tall enough order. My question wasn't meant to cause your taking on another task, but rather to find out how we can get these useful things in one place. I noticed the gEDA wiki isn't open; perhaps it, or a portion of it, should be to allow the (somewhat)

gEDA-user: lost newbie (footprint)

2006-01-10 Thread Marc
I added footprint TO220 for 7815 that has 3 pins and it says Checking: /usr/share/gEDA/sym/linear/lm7815-1.sym Warning: Number of pins does not match footprint size. 1 warnings found No errors found I looked the package type up in the pdf any ideas pls Marc :)

gEDA-user: A Practical Guide to High-Speed Printed-Circuit-Board Layout seminar

2006-01-10 Thread David Hart
For those interested in such things, I found the following while updating some URLs on my HomePage: A Practical Guide to High-Speed Printed-Circuit-Board Layout https://event.on24.com/eventRegistration/EventLobbyServlet?

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread Steve Meier
I will second Jose's Motion. The PCB and GAf documentation could use an overhall but it should not be done by the active developers (until they get through my amazingly long wish list) Well it isn't that long. But there are plenty of users that could be helping do this. Myself included. Any users

Re: gEDA-user: lost newbie (footprint)

2006-01-10 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Mark, On Tuesday 10 January 2006 13:26, Marc wrote: I added footprint TO220 for 7815 that has 3 pins and it says Checking: /usr/share/gEDA/sym/linear/lm7815-1.sym Warning: Number of pins does not match footprint size. 1 warnings found No errors found Well as the footprint name is TO220

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread DJ Delorie
The PCB and GAf documentation could use an overhall but it should not be done by the active developers I assume you mean because they're busy and not someone else would do a better job. (until they get through my amazingly long wish list) Sigh ;-) Well it isn't that long. But there are

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread don
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Steve Meier wrote: I will second Jose's Motion. The PCB and GAf documentation could use an overhall but it should not be done by the active developers (until they get through my amazingly long wish list) Well it isn't that long. But there are plenty of

gEDA-user: resistors capacitors ect

2006-01-10 Thread Marc
what do i add for things like footprint and pintype for capacitors resistors would it be pwr --/\/\/\/-- pwr or in --/\/\/\/-- out Checking: /usr/share/gEDA/sym/analog/resistor-2.sym Warning: Missing pinlabel= attribute Warning: Missing pintype= attribute Warning: Missing pinlabel= attribute

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread Phil Taylor
There are three forms of documentation: --tutorials (crucial, e.g. gschem 2 pcb by Bill Wilson) --faq's (the pcb-tips wiki) --manual (deep documentation of pcb) The tutorials we have now are good--but they are somewhat closed source in that the group doesn't own them. There should be a wiki

Re: gEDA-user: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?

2006-01-10 Thread Harry Eaton
Larry Doolittle wrote: I have hacked my way to this result by adding a thick trace (thicker than the clearance size of the via) that is marked with a j to join the polygon. My favorite method is to use a single zero-length line to make a circle that perfectly fills the clearance. Of

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread DJ Delorie
--tutorials (crucial, e.g. gschem 2 pcb by Bill Wilson) These, I fear, can only be written by people actually going through the process for the first time. Those of us with experience, and those of us trying to document a procedure we're not using, will likely skip stuff. --faq's (the

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread Phil Taylor
DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --faq's (the pcb-tips wiki) Someone who has the time and patience to monitor the mailing lists, and distill the wisdom, is needed here. This is exactly what I've been doing! Phil

Re: gEDA-user: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?

2006-01-10 Thread DJ Delorie
My favorite method is to use a single zero-length line to make a circle that perfectly fills the clearance. Perfectly? Or slightly larger? I saw one board that used this technique, and at certain zoom factors you could see the hint of an outline where the drawn circle didn't quite fill the

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread DJ Delorie
This is exactly what I've been doing! Yay! One down, two to go.

Re: gEDA-user: resistors capacitors ect

2006-01-10 Thread John Luciani
Since the terminals of passive components (resistors, capacitors, inductors) are connected to power pins, input pins and output pins you should set the pintype to input. (* jcl *) On 1/10/06, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what do i add for things like footprint and pintype for capacitors

gEDA-user: resistors capacitors etc

2006-01-10 Thread Marc
would this be different for diodes as they function in one direction Marc :)

Re: gEDA-user: resistors capacitors ect

2006-01-10 Thread John Doty
On Jan 10, 2006, at 12:04 PM, John Luciani wrote: Since the terminals of passive components (resistors, capacitors, inductors) are connected to power pins, input pins and output pins you should set the pintype to input. Not input, passive. A node that's all inputs is an error, but a

Re: gEDA-user: resistors capacitors etc

2006-01-10 Thread John Luciani
No. The diode can perform a useful function with its pins connected to power, inputs or outputs. (* jcl *) On 1/10/06, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would this be different for diodes as they function in one direction Marc :) -- http://www.luciani.org

Re: gEDA-user: resistors capacitors ect

2006-01-10 Thread Werner Hoch
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 20:04, John Luciani wrote: Since the terminals of passive components (resistors, capacitors, inductors) are connected to power pins, input pins and output pins you should set the pintype to input. No, as they are passive components they should be set to passiv. It's

Re: gEDA-user: resistors capacitors ect

2006-01-10 Thread John Luciani
My mistake. I forgot about the passive pintype. Thanks. (* jcl *) On 1/10/06, John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2006, at 12:04 PM, John Luciani wrote: Since the terminals of passive components (resistors, capacitors, inductors) are connected to power pins, input pins and

gEDA-user: resistors capacitors diodes

2006-01-10 Thread Marc
where are the drc backends located i dont have many errors now but for it to work i guess i got to have these settings correct for the following parts. --/\/\/\/--= --| |--= --| (--= | --/\/\/\/--= diode -|=

Re: gEDA-user: lost newbie (footprint)

2006-01-10 Thread Dave McGuire
On Jan 10, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Werner Hoch wrote: I added footprint TO220 for 7815 that has 3 pins and it says Checking: /usr/share/gEDA/sym/linear/lm7815-1.sym Warning: Number of pins does not match footprint size. 1 warnings found No errors found Well as the footprint name is TO220 gsymcheck

gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Eric Daine
I just used NFS to share the gEDA/gaf directory installed on a SUSE machine. The idea was to make available some directorys with custom symbols and footprints. I was surprised to find that both pcb and gschem run just fine out of this shared directory on a remote machine running debian. The

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Dave McGuire
On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Eric Daine wrote: I just used NFS to share the gEDA/gaf directory installed on a SUSE machine. The idea was to make available some directorys with custom symbols and footprints. I was surprised to find that both pcb and gschem run just fine out of this shared

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread DJ Delorie
Is it fine to use pcb, and gschem out of the NFS shared directory? Will I be looking foward to troubles if I don't compile and install the apps directly on each remote machine? I know of no reason why PCB wouldn't work this way, as long as the mount points are all the same (so it can find its

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Eric Daine
Hey, great! This is a fantastic bonus, now I can just maintain one geda directory and share it. This will get very low usage, for right now at least, but it will come in very handy at times, keep people from lurking around my office terminal! It seems to be much faster then the Free-NX

gEDA-user: my lappy powersupply

2006-01-10 Thread Marc
I just started hearing this clicking sound coming from my laptop i stuck my ear on the power pack and its comming from there the machine is charging is it supposed to do this guys what do you think. Its hp zv5358ea amd64 Marc :)

Re: gEDA-user: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?

2006-01-10 Thread joeft
Harry Eaton wrote: Larry Doolittle wrote: I have hacked my way to this result by adding a thick trace (thicker than the clearance size of the via) that is marked with a j to join the polygon. My favorite method is to use a single zero-length line to make a circle that perfectly fills

Re: gEDA-user: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?

2006-01-10 Thread bumpelo
Perfectly? Or slightly larger? Ok, 0.02 mil larger We need a way to edit the arc angles with the GUI. PCB has no problems with non-quadrant arcs, you just can't create them with the mouse. The reason is that non-quadrant arcs necessarily fall off of the grid - in principle you can't

Re: gEDA-user: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?

2006-01-10 Thread DJ Delorie
The reason is that non-quadrant arcs necessarily fall off of the grid - in principle you can't move your crosshair their. Now that we can snap to line/arc endpoints, this really isn't an issue, so we can consider a more advanced arc drawing tool. I didn't say it would be easy. Drawing

Re: gEDA-user: resistors capacitors ect

2006-01-10 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
Hi Marc, as other people pointed, resistor pins should be passive. However, please use the CVS symbols, because the pintype of resistors, capacitors, diodes and so on has been corrected in CVS. Checkout the latest version! If you want to contribute the symbols, send them to the list, and someone

gEDA-user: symbols

2006-01-10 Thread Marc
when i run the check they still output errors BusyBox64 analog # gsymcheck -vv resistor-1.sym gEDA/gsymcheck version 20050820 gEDA/symcheck comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; see COPYING for more details. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions;

gEDA-user: symbols

2006-01-10 Thread Marc
maybe they aint installed correctly its gentoo

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Dave McGuire
On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Eric Daine wrote: One thing I did notice was that when running on the client Debian machine all the layers and layer groups in PCB have there colors. They have never been there for me on my SUSE box since I upgraded to the newer GTK PCB. I mean, the colors are

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Eric Daine
Reply in line below: Dave McGuire wrote: They are there for Debian box though over NFS weird but cool. all I had to do to get it to run was change my PATH and export the LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the share. This smells like an X resources issue. Thanks for the tip, I will look into the X

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Charles Lepple
On 1/10/06, Eric Daine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I compiled gEDA programs up under Suse and then just Ftpd them over to the Debian machine, I would not expect for them to run, or at least I wouldn't have before today. The Gnu C library maintainers seem to go to great lengths to ensure that

Re: gEDA-user: symbols

2006-01-10 Thread Dion
Marc wrote: maybe they aint installed correctly its gentoo Marc, I am a newbie here also, Carlos gave you some instructions previously about checking out from cvs a copy of the updated symbols. The tar.gz file you have linked in one of your emails prior to the above, is not from cvs. You

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread Stuart Brorson
Regarding the discussion about driving vias with no thermals through planes: I noticed the gEDA wiki isn't open; perhaps it, or a portion of it, = should be to allow the (somewhat) orderly listing of discoveries such as = yours. This evening I went to the wiki to add this tip -- which I often

Re: gEDA-user: PCB doc on wiki (was RE: Vias with zero clearance in PCB?)

2006-01-10 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] As for the non-open wiki: It's to prevent graffiti and vandalism from stray cretins. Folks who want to add to the wiki are encouraged to do so. Just e-mail Ales and get an account set up. Yup, just send me a private e-mail with an username and your password encrypted using

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Ales Hvezda
Is it fine to use pcb, and gschem out of the NFS shared directory? Will I be looking foward to troubles if I don't compile and install the apps directly on each remote machine? I know of no reason why PCB wouldn't work this way, as long as the mount points are all the same (so it can find its

gEDA-user: pci edge connector symbol and footprint

2006-01-10 Thread hiroshi
Hi I am a newbie of geda and try to make pci board. How can I make two side gschem object symbol ? Or should I make each side edge connector as different symbol and footprint ? Thanks Hiroshi

Re: gEDA-user: NFS Share

2006-01-10 Thread Dave McGuire
On Jan 10, 2006, at 6:42 PM, Eric Daine wrote: Nono. This is not Windows. The UNIX world has had capabilities like this for years, and some other operating systems (VMS for example) for decades. I personally remember having done something very similar with X itself between four VAXes in