Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

Feb 2015 03:48:55 + Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case I don't know of a case of hate speech under UK law that has been brought by a non-UK resident. Looking online tends to push you towards information regarding extradition, but that's not really w

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is available online. As far as I know it would not require any action or any threat of action on the part of the other editor concerned. Marie Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 21:22:35 + From: jayen...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergat

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' > but, 'grossly offensive'. Wikipedia's internal systems and thresholds would > make no difference to the authorities in the UK. It would be interesting to > see what the public fall-out would be if Wikipedia decided that no action > should be taken against X whilst the

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nsive'. Wikipedia's internal systems and thresholds would make > no difference to the authorities in the UK. It would be interesting to see > what the public fall-out would be if Wikipedia decided that no action should > be taken against X whilst the UK jailed him / her. >

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Re the Threats of Violence page... It's an essay in name only. That was a workaround for getting what was actually being done by admins and senior editors documented and standardized after some intractable philosophical fights over what "should be" poisoned the well on normal process. It is p

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On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Marie Earley wrote: > Yes, no action from ArbCom or however, followed by a criminal conviction. > Quotes from the judge in the criminal trial appearing in the media > alongside quotes from those on-wiki who just said, "Closing this... no > action... trivial... thi

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Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case >The litmus test is whether what they have said is not only 'offensive' but, 'grossly offensive'. Wikipedia's internal >systems and thresholds would make no difference to the authorities in the UK. It would

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>The litmus test is whether what they have said is not only 'offensive' but, >'grossly offensive'. Wikipedia's internal >systems and thresholds would make >no difference to the authorities in the UK. It would be interesting to see >what the >public fall-out would be if Wikipedia decided that no

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ipedia decided that no action > should be taken against X whilst the UK jailed him / her. > > Marie > > > -- > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:41:36 -0500 > From: neot...@gmail.com > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press cov

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all-out would be if Wikipedia decided that no action should be taken against X whilst the UK jailed him / her. Marie Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:41:36 -0500 From: neot...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case Double standard.

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a 19 year-old who was hoping to become the wife or girlfriend of a > footballer (soccer player). > >"The lifestyle is amazing. Nice house, expensive cars. Wherever > footballers go they are recognised and > >have people looking up to them. They know they can be with anyon

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is amazing. Nice house, expensive cars. Wherever footballers go they are recognised and >have people looking up to them. They know they can be with anyone - it's a privilege when they pick you." Marie > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:24:12 -0500 > From: carolmoor...@verizon.n

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Fae, this is really very off-topic for this thread at this point. Would mind going off-list if you want to discuss personal history with others? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Fæ wrote: > I suggest that as a supporter and administrator of a website that > labels me as a faggot, and a participa

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I suggest that as a supporter and administrator of a website that labels me as a faggot, and a participant and advocate of another website that has been home to trolling me with homophobic language for years, you avoid finding silly reasons to pick tiny holes in my text. I am in a same sex marriag

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> On Jan 26, 2015, at 2:43 AM, Fæ wrote: > > Tarc, I felt your "lipstick on a pig" comment about a transexual was > not just disgusting, but was a key example of why we needed a WM-LGBT > user group to both highlight and gradually improve a hostile culture > on Wikimedia projects that appeared t

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Thanks for the link and explanation. It fooled me then, I saw it as simple bigotry and stopped reading about it, or anything that Tarc had to say from there on. I agree with your comment about being cautious about sarcasm or reductio ad absurdum on the internet. Bigoted language as a joke, parody

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There is a thread on the PD talk page that will explain it, but I can't seem to find the original. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning_naming_dispute/Proposed_decision#The_Tarc_fiasco Tarc was using a rhetorical device called "reductio ad absurdum" http://

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On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:43 AM, Fæ wrote: > Tarc, I felt your "lipstick on a pig" comment about a transexual was > not just disgusting, but was a key example of why we needed a WM-LGBT > user group to both highlight and gradually improve a hostile culture > on Wikimedia projects that appeared to

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Tarc, I felt your "lipstick on a pig" comment about a transexual was not just disgusting, but was a key example of why we needed a WM-LGBT user group to both highlight and gradually improve a hostile culture on Wikimedia projects that appeared to allow blatantly anti-LGBT attitudes and language on

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st want to make it clear that don't consider myself to be a feminist, whatever that is. I was not a member of GGTF and have never edited in the topic of gender. I saw the disruptions on the page, and tried to give some support and validation to the only admin I saw trying to deal with the situati

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I think in both your case and Devil's Advocate (even though you take opposite positions) there may have been annoyance that you both very vocally took the "wrong" position on GGTF on the arbitration talk pages so this may be at least partial payback... On 1/25/2015 8:12 PM, Tarc . wrote:

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Suppose I should say a brief something since some of the posts here talk about me. I have been caustic and acerbic at the Wikipedia over the years, though in fits and starts I am trying to take it down a few notches. So, yea, I'm quite aware that I'm not the best poster-child for any so

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On 1/25/2015 6:17 PM, Nathan wrote: I think the lesson it sends is that a righteous cause is not a defense against accusations of disruption, nor a license to violate other policies. I'm sure that among the restricted people are those with positions I'd support along with many others, but t

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I'm sure it's hard to remain calm and thoughtful when 8chan is running 24/7 discussion threads to: 1. Strategize on how to subvert the consensus process to take over the article 2. Target Wikipedia editors for doxxing and harassment so that they will stop defending the article The assault was lite

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Sarah Stierch > wrote: > >> >> After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that >> any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even mentions >> the word, except once, when d

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On 1/25/2015 1:03 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even mentions the word, except once, when describing a subject that was "slandered" in the gamer gate article(s). I

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Sydney, have a look at the findings of fact for TaraInDC, and check the diffs provided: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate/Proposed_decision#TaraInDC I don't think those diffs demonstrate that she was somehow less "reasonable", only that she was frustrated

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > > After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that > any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even mentions > the word, except once, when describing a subject that was "slandered" in > the gamer g

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I largely agree with Sarah. After several years taking a break from using the Checkuser tool, in early January I decided to actively join the the team again. So, I read all the active ArbCom cases to familarize myself with the current controversies on Wikipedia. During my reading of the GamerGate

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > Note: most of the "in trouble" editor's aren't that productive at > contributing feminist content to Wikipedia. I have interacted with only > four of them - Black Kite, Future Perfect at Sunrise, TarainDC and Bilby - > only one is a female i

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well said, Sarah! Thanks for reading through all that stuff - I tried and failed On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > I am now on digest mode with this mailing list. The traffic is often too > much for me and the voice of this list is frustrating for me > sometimes..so... reme

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I am now on digest mode with this mailing list. The traffic is often too much for me and the voice of this list is frustrating for me sometimes..so... remember that please :) --- I have been asked to share my thoughts by many people this morning on the internet, here they are: I have been editing

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e. > > These are the types of antics that the 2nd wave of 8chan/redditors are > going to be pulling, once some of us have been swept away. > > -t > > -- > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:26:47 -0500 > From: slowki...@gmail.com > To: gendergap@lists.wikime

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:47 -0500 From: slowki...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case well, they did not revdel it. arbcom can drive the discussion off wiki, but cannot ban the Guardian for "bad journalism" certain account behaviors are bein

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Jan 2015 09:36:46 -0700 From: slimvir...@gmail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 7:26 AM, J Hayes wrote: well, they did not revdel it. arbcom can drive the discussion off wiki, but cannot ban the Guardian for

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I just went and read GorillaWarfare's votes. She is my eyes and ears there. that is, I trust her judgement. She is an excellent arbitrator, and I wish the Committee had 4 or 5 more like her. On Jan 23, 2015 10:07 PM, "Ryan Kaldari" wrote: > The rediculous thing is that none of the people defendi

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I think one thing that could help is to reclaim the GGTF. The thing is to remain unflappable and ignore The Troll. On Jan 24, 2015 9:36 AM, "Sarah" wrote: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 7:26 AM, J Hayes wrote: > >> well, they did not revdel it. >> arbcom can drive the discussion off wiki, >> but ca

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On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 7:26 AM, J Hayes wrote: > well, they did not revdel it. > arbcom can drive the discussion off wiki, > but cannot ban the Guardian for "bad journalism" > certain account behaviors are being favored > you should expect to see a lot more of those behaviors in the future > >

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well, they did not revdel it. arbcom can drive the discussion off wiki, but cannot ban the Guardian for "bad journalism" certain account behaviors are being favored you should expect to see a lot more of those behaviors in the future this will necessitate a lot of wiki-splaining thank-you arbcom

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The rediculous thing is that none of the people defending that article were 'feminists'. They were just defending the mainstream point of view from an endless onslaught of 8channers. The feminist point view isn't even represented in the article. On Jan 23, 2015, at 7:14 PM, J Hayes wrote: > h

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On 1/23/2015 10:34 PM, Sarah wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:14 PM, J Hayes > wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/23/wikipedia-bans-editors-from-gender-related-articles-amid-gamergate-controversy http://internet.gawker.com/wikipedia-purge

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:14 PM, J Hayes wrote: > > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/23/wikipedia-bans-editors-from-gender-related-articles-amid-gamergate-controversy > > > http://internet.gawker.com/wikipedia-purged-a-group-of-feminist-editors-because-of-1681463331/+cushac > > ​I s

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