Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Dec 2, 2004, at 7:10 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 12:41 PM 12/2/2004, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: In this case, I'm the moron because I can't figure out what to do in velocity to deal w/ 1.3 (as well as log4j-dependent code that I have elsewhere), other than to make log4j support an option and force

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Dec 1, 2004, at 10:12 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 03:44 PM 12/1/2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I think it's better if we start to nag ourselves first and see how we can increase the signal/noise ratio before we go back public. It's not only about gump's signal/noise ratio but the attitude adopted

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-02 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Eric Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a feeling that attempting to build with previous versions that passed isn't a good idea? Not at all. It is a very good idea that only needs to get coded. The only is the problem here. And I have the algorithm

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Eric Pugh wrote: I think that it's more complex then just turning it on or off.. I'm in favor of turning it off for now if thats the only option. What I prefer is that if a prereq doesn't build/builds finally, I don't get nagged. That is what generates (typically) the flood of emails... I only

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-01 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 03:44 PM 12/1/2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I think it's better if we start to nag ourselves first and see how we can increase the signal/noise ratio before we go back public. It's not only about gump's signal/noise ratio but the attitude adopted when things break. Allowing unaware developers

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 03:44 PM 12/1/2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I think it's better if we start to nag ourselves first and see how we can increase the signal/noise ratio before we go back public. It's not only about gump's signal/noise ratio but the attitude adopted when things break. Allowing

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-01 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 05:27 PM 12/1/2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If you have a better social algorithm that would stop you from feeling insulted, let us know what it is. It's not about me, log4j or velocity, but coming to the realization that 100% backward compatibility is not always possible. It seems that gump

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 05:27 PM 12/1/2004, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If you have a better social algorithm that would stop you from feeling insulted, let us know what it is. It's not about me, log4j or velocity, but coming to the realization that 100% backward compatibility is not always possible.

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-11-30 Thread sebb
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:39:07 -0800, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think gump's nagging is currently making more noise than signal and this is hurting our ability to come across as helpful instead of annoying. I propose to turn off nagging until we fix this, we are the only one

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-11-30 Thread Scott Sanders
+1. Our probes are getting more done than nagging right now. On Nov 30, 2004, at 11:39 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I think gump's nagging is currently making more noise than signal and this is hurting our ability to come across as helpful instead of annoying. I propose to turn off nagging

RE: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-11-30 Thread Eric Pugh
project doesn't build/builds... Eric -Original Message- From: Scott Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:43 PM To: Gump code and data Subject: Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that +1. Our probes are getting more

Re: [vote] turning off nagging until we feel gump is solid enough for that

2004-11-30 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think gump's nagging is currently making more noise than signal and this is hurting our ability to come across as helpful instead of annoying. Maybe. I agree with Eric that the you no longer have a problem mails are a