Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache AsterixDB Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Till Westmann
Hi Henry, thanks! It’s great that you’ve seen (and liked) AsterixDB before. Even if your time is very limited we would be very happy to have you on board as a mentor. I’ll add you to the proposal. Cheers, Till On Jan 19, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: +1

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache AsterixDB Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Till Westmann
On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:34 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Looks like a real challenging project, and the proposal looks as if it has already been through a couple of refinement rounds. Count on my +1, when it comes to voting. Will do! Thanks, Till rgds jan i On 19 January 2015

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache AsterixDB Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Till Westmann
Thank you. So for we’ve added 3 slots for mentors on the proposal - I hope that’ll be sufficient even for the relatively large number of new committers. Till On Jan 19, 2015, at 8:17 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Till, Will try to solicit more mentors to help.

Re: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread John D. Ament
Rob, I recommend projects to request ICLAs whenever accepting a contribution. Signing an ICLA has no correlation to being accepted as a committer. John On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 6:04:25 AM Rob Vesse rve...@dotnetrdf.org wrote: All I keep an eye on the Lucene.Net TLP since I use it in some of my

When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread Rob Vesse
All I keep an eye on the Lucene.Net TLP since I use it in some of my other projects and after a long hiatus the activity in that community has picked up considerably. However there is one thing that has caught my eye that they've been doing recently which I'm not sure is strictly necessary. I

Re: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Rob Vesse rve...@dotnetrdf.org wrote: ...My understanding was always that the ICLA is only required if you are a committer though may still be desirable for larger contributions,... That's my understanding, requiring an iCLA for minor contributions is not

Re: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread jan i
On 20 January 2015 at 11:57, Rob Vesse rve...@dotnetrdf.org wrote: All I keep an eye on the Lucene.Net TLP since I use it in some of my other projects and after a long hiatus the activity in that community has picked up considerably. However there is one thing that has caught my eye that

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:37 AM, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: ...So make a list of the IPMC members you believe should judge the other 90%, and submit a proposal to the board to start a new

Re: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Rob Vesse
Stian If a community made predominantly of existing Apache committers (or containing a strong core of) already exists and this would be a small self contained module as part of Apache Commons then why does the Incubator need be involved at all? Why can this not just be submitted directly to

Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
The discussion on dev@commons about coming-to-Apache Commons-RDF (https://github.com/commons-rdf/commons-rdf/) seems to be rejecting a temporary mailing list like rdf@commons as it is seen t be splitting Apache Commons as a project - the ideal committer on Apache Commons is caring about all its

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ...Isn’t it obvious what the above and IncubatorV2 proposal are about? Consolidating like minded individuals into a new IPMC and shutting out the other inconvenient members until they come to their senses” I

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache AsterixDB Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Should be fine. Regards, Alan On Jan 19, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Till Westmann t...@westmann.org wrote: Thank you. So for we’ve added 3 slots for mentors on the proposal - I hope that’ll be sufficient even for the relatively large number of new committers. Till On Jan 19, 2015, at 8:17

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Can you add your concerns to the end each of the wiki pages? I intend to update my proposal to clear up the apprehensions that you seem to have. You can then remove/amend your concerns from the wiki proposal. I will quickly state that “naughty lists” are not part of the mentor-reboot

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Alan Cabrera
On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ...Isn’t it obvious what the above and IncubatorV2 proposal are about? Consolidating like minded individuals into a new IPMC and

RE: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
My strawman, which included a board like IPMC, certainly wasn't about shutting out inconvenient IPMC members, that is simply a ridiculous a d insulting suggestion (if it wasn't intended in that way then fine, but it sure sounds like it). My strawman was partly about consensus, but mostly about

Re: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
I agree that incoming codebase can go through the IP Clearance, and if the committers are already Commons folks (predominantly), and the only actual issue is the number of mails on the dev@, then I think that separate mailing list is fine, perhaps with the exception of not having a name related to

RE: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
I agree with Bertrand. Note whoever commits the patch is doing so under their ICLA. In other words if someone feels it does not contain significant IP then they can commit. Paperwork is a barrier to entry which is simply not necessary for trivial contributions. Sent from my Windows Phone

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache AsterixDB Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Mike Carey
Excellent; thanks, Jochen!! Cheers, Mike On 1/19/15 11:44 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Hi, Chris, I am interested in the proposal and (following up to my involvement with VXQuery in the past) would like to offer myself as a mentor. Jochen On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Mattmann, Chris A

Re: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Rob Vesse
Agreed The point that I was trying to make is that if those involved already understand the Apache Way going through Incubation for the sake of it seems a pointless exercise especially when the legal/IP aspects of things can be handled in other fashions. If you are in a position to simply

RE: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
It's not for the IPMC to decide commons policy. If they feel another mailing list is not appropriate that is their call. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Niclas Hedhmanmailto:nic...@hedhman.org Sent: ‎1/‎20/‎2015 8:07 AM To:

Re: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Sergio Fernández
On 20/01/15 16:08, Rob Vesse wrote: On the other hand does Commons-RDF necessarily need to come to the ASF at all? If it is a small self-contained interface module that will remain stable what does it gain (other than brand association) by coming to the ASF? Well, this question eventually

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: ...Under the above proposals, that necessarily messy, frustrating, exhausting, process of garnering consensus on the above thorny issues will not take place as philosophically compatible IPM v2 members turn out Apache

Re: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Just because a lot of Apache committers are involved and could put things right into another project (or even propose a new TLP directly) doesn't mean it happens. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeanShellProposal was voted -1 in the incubator because it had many Apache folks already and didn't

RE: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
I hear what Stian is saying about the noise in Commons. If the team feel its not going to work for them then the incubator might be the right route. IMHO there is no reason why you couldn't be sponsored by the commons PMC. You would still need the IPMC to clear releases but that means three

Re: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread Branko Čibej
On 20.01.2015 17:16, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: I agree with Bertrand. Note whoever commits the patch is doing so under their ICLA. Really? That can't be right: one can't become the author of a change (and therefore can't license it to the ASF) merely by having committed it. That's why

Re: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread John D. Ament
On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 1:54:32 PM Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 20.01.2015 17:16, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: I agree with Bertrand. Note whoever commits the patch is doing so under their ICLA.

Re: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 20.01.2015 17:16, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: I agree with Bertrand. Note whoever commits the patch is doing so under their ICLA. Really? That can't be right: one can't become the author of a change (and

Is there a place I can programmatically pull in PPMC members?

2015-01-20 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Is there a place I can programmatically pull in PPMC members? Regards, Alan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Sergio Fernández
On 20/01/15 15:28, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: The suggestion is that Commons-RDF could be a incubator project, but with a projected path to become part of the Apache Commons instead of a TLP. (I believe this path has not happened before) It did happened before:

RE: When is an ICLA needed?

2015-01-20 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Benson is correct: Section 4 of the ICLA states You represent that you are legally entitled to grant the above license. It doesn't say you own copyright, only that you have the permission to grant the license on the copyrighted material (which the copyright owners indicates by making the

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache htrace-3.1.0-incubating

2015-01-20 Thread Billie Rinaldi
+1 binding On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote: Apache HTrace (incubating), after ten release candidates, has voted to release the below referenced Apache HTrace 3.1.0-incubating release candidate. Dear IPMC, please vote on our first release candidate as an Apache

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache htrace-3.1.0-incubating

2015-01-20 Thread Stack
WIth 3+1 (binding), a dodgy binding +1 vote (mine), and a non-binding +1, the vote passes. Thank you to all who voted. Let me push out our first release out of incubator. Thanks, St.Ack On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Billie Rinaldi bil...@apache.org wrote: +1 binding On Sat, Jan 17, 2015

Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Chris Douglas
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org javascript:; wrote: How is that different from pruning the current IPMC membership by removing inactive members? Doing *that* would be straightforward. Take the set of mentors on currently incubating projects, add the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache AsterixDB Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Ted Dunning
Added my name to the mentor list. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Mike Carey dtab...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderful; thanks, Ted!! Cheers, Mike On 1/19/15 11:29 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: Chris just asked me under separate cover. I am happy to help out as mentor. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015

RE: [VOTE] [PROPOSAL] Accept OpenAz (Access Control Tools) into the Apache Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Hal Lockhart
+1 Hal -Original Message- From: Hal Lockhart Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 1:16 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] [PROPOSAL] Accept OpenAz (Access Control Tools) into the Apache Incubator I call a vote to accept OpenAz as a new Incubator project. The

Re: Is there a place I can programmatically pull in PPMC members?

2015-01-20 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
This seems to get me the IPMC members, not the PPMC members of podlings. Am I misinterpreting the page? Regards, Alan On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: See the code behind Whimsy (https://whimsy.apache.org/technology.html) The

Re: Incubating with Apache Commons as champion?

2015-01-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeanShellProposal was voted -1 in the incubator because it had many Apache folks already and didn't need to learn anything. Yet the project didn't move into Apache - perhaps because it didn't have any pressure or framework to go

RE: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-20 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
As an IPMC member I have objected to this part of the report. As a Director I have already commented on the report that this practice is inappropriate. I will ask for that section to be struck from the minutes, we'll see if other directors agree. My comment on the report is: rg: I've already

RE: Is there a place I can programmatically pull in PPMC members?

2015-01-20 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Sorry misread your request as IPMC Ross Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation -Original Message- From: Alan D. Cabrera [mailto:a...@toolazydogs.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:17 AM To: infrastructure-...@apache.org Cc:

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache htrace-3.1.0-incubating

2015-01-20 Thread Stack
+1 (binding -- though it may not be allowed that I vote on an RC I posted). From the htrace mailing list [1]: +1 Verified md5 and signature. Ran rat and all unit tests. Was able to assemble a src tarball from downloaded tarball. St.Ack 1.

[RESULT] [VOTE] Accept OpenAz (Access Control Tools) into the Apache Incubator

2015-01-20 Thread Hal Lockhart
Vote passes with: [6] +1 (binding): hadrian, coheigea, elecharny, pzf, adc, jani [6] +1 (non-binding): chris rath, rich levinson, pam dragosh, dilli arumungam, david laurance, hal lockhart [0] -1: Congratulations and good luck to the OpenAZ community. Hal -Original Message- From:

Re: Is there a place I can programmatically pull in PPMC members?

2015-01-20 Thread jan i
On 20 January 2015 at 20:29, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: Sorry misread your request as IPMC Ross Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation -Original Message- From: Alan D. Cabrera [mailto:a...@toolazydogs.com]

Re: Is there a place I can programmatically pull in PPMC members?

2015-01-20 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:36 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 20:29, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: Sorry misread your request as IPMC Ross Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of