+1 (binding)
On Jan 21, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
This is a vote on recommending a retirement option
for the NPanday poddling.
It comes on the hills of the general consensus of
the NPanday community and its mentors that
retirement is the only viable path at this point:
They are reporting to the Board. We know what inactivity looks like. So we
ask the PMC to fix it, or we shut them down. Just this week, you messaged a
PMC asking if they had enough actives. There is ample precedent for us
detecting and working through inactivity.
On Jan 23, 2015 9:46 AM, Bertrand
On 1/23/15, 6:53 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
I agree with everything else you write, but the demand for only ASF
Members seems very hard. If I come to ASF with a community and a project,
I really would feel unhappy being cut out of the loop
Time for my weekly musings. Sorry, no oaths and
On Jan 23, 2015 8:53 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On 23 January 2015 at 14:42, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I agree with everything else you write, but the demand for only ASF
Members seems very hard. If I come to ASF with a community and a project,
I really would feel unhappy
+1 to both of these points from Greg.
++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:
I really don't have a problem with a report like that going out
On 1/23/15, 1:34 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
A good mentor is a guide, not a manager.
The proposals might seem top down, but when executed correctly, they are
not.
OK, I’ll accept that, but if executed correctly, the current Incubator
probably doesn’t
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:33 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Friday, January 23, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
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A good mentor is a guide, not a manager.
The proposals might seem top down,
On Friday, January 23, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com
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A good mentor is a guide, not a manager.
The proposals might seem top down, but when executed correctly, they are
not.
No offense but how can
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
All that being said, while I will (and already did two years ago) support
some experimentation with
the pTLP model I still feel that an Incubator with teeth scales better.
But we wouldn't know until
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:
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Time is on the side of those who think shepherd institution should die. It
would be better if it died quickly, vacating the report review mindspace
and
making way for Mentor commentary supplemented by
On Friday, January 23, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
As ASF member *should* know that empowering the ones doing the work is the
Apache Way. A good member who is a mentor will ensure that they unblock
anything that prevents those doing the work having the
A good mentor is a guide, not a manager.
The proposals might seem top down, but when executed correctly, they are not.
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As ASF member *should* know that empowering the ones doing the work is the
Apache Way. A good member who is a mentor will ensure that they unblock
anything that prevents those doing the work having the influence.
Look, theoretically, the board have ultimate power over all the projects at the
+1
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Shaposhnik
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 2:51 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: my pTLP view
On Fri,
I find the direction this discussion has gone personally disappointing, but
I might be missing understanding of some crucial point.
2. the initial PMC is comprised of only ASF Members. committers can be
chosen however the community decides. but the *project* is reviewed by
people with
No, the PMC is *not* the driving force. The project community is, even where
the PMC is a subset of the committers. Since it is the set of active
*contributors* that are important, they are the ones doing the work.
I don't understand your argument about releases. Nothing changes under under
On Saturday, January 24, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com
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No, the PMC is *not* the driving force. The project community is, even
where the PMC is a subset of the committers. Since it is the set of
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:18 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Saturday, January 24, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ross.gard...@microsoft.com'); wrote:
No, the PMC is *not* the driving force. The project community is, even
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
On 1/23/15, 1:34 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
A good mentor is a guide, not a manager.
The proposals might seem top down, but when executed correctly, they are
not.
OK, I'll accept
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:18 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
Remember we talk rules here, and rules should be made so the reflect what
we want, and I believe it is important that the community is represented in
the PMC, not 100% but also not 0%.
I still don't understand what's the extra bit
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
Those of us in such a new incoming community might get the commit bit but
can't vote on adding committers,
See my reply to Jan. C == PPMC solves this completely.
or making releases.
This is *exactly* what is happening
You are approaching this question with complete trust and faith in the
Apache process, being an Apache member, but an incoming / foreign community
will not have this, not universally. Take the emotion out of this, because
I certainly am not being emotional here, but instead trying to evaluate
this
Hi Greg,
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
There is nothing stopping the IPMC from designating certain Mentors as
shepherds for their podlings.
Having volunteers step forward as dedicated shepherds for individual
podlings would be helpful. On its own,
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
...
project, they become a PPMC, a podling. Sure, the IPMC provides oversight,
and the board again, but the PPMC can make binding votes on committers,
releases, everything that matters - provisionally, of course, which
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:
Hi Greg,
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
There is nothing stopping the IPMC from designating certain Mentors as
shepherds for their podlings.
Having volunteers step forward
What makes you think the PPMC today had more influence than the contributors to
a pushing?
Votes have been mentioned, but votes remain the same. Despite what people on
this thread are saying PPMC members do not have a binding vote. That does not
change.
Besides, the whole thing is moot
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
A good mentor is a guide, not a manager.
And a good manager is a Mentor ;-)
Niclas
+1000. My view too and with my support too.
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From: Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com
Date: Friday, January 23, 2015 at 5:42 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org, Chris
Mattmann mattm...@apache.org, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
Subject: my pTLP
I would support it as an experiment.
I will support it because it is one of the few actionable suggestions on the
table.
My caution has been expressed elsewhere. So I'll summarize as a reminder:
1) I supported just such an experiment a couple of years ago. It didn't go well
(not disastrous,
On 23 January 2015 at 14:42, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Roman kicked off a query about next steps, with links to several wiki
pages on possibilities. The IncubatorV2 page which describes a
probationary TLP is nothing like I have thought about.
In my mind, a pTLP looks *exactly* like
Hi,
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...1. probationary text is prominent,...
...2. the initial PMC is comprised of only ASF Members...
I like that proposal, it's simple and looks actionable.
The only worry is what happens if the ASF Members on the PMC
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you would like to characterize shepherds as cross-cutting
mentors-at-large, I wouldn't disagree.
It's costly to produce such
To confirm I was referring to TLPs, personally I don't spend anywhere near as
much time on podling reports, as Bertrand indicates that's delegated today.
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