Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi, > Q: Does the IPMC want to produce non-ASF releases? A: We already are, but there are some constraints around what to calling them, branding and when they can be placed. (And these are not IPMC policies.) Thanks, Justin -

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi, >> This is because of ASF bylaws i.e only PMC votes are binding on releases. > > That is not in the Bylaws. Stop making stuff up. That the way it’s been explained to me, several times, by experienced ASF people, that only PMC votes are binding on releases and podlings are not mentioned in

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

>> >> Q: Does the IPMC want to produce non-ASF releases? My answer is yes! I want podlings to be on a path towards graduation! I recognize multiple requirements. The path may differ for each podling. I’m the end there are two outcomes! Thanks Greg! Regards, Dave >> >> -g > > >

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:17 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >>> Hoops constructed by the IPMC. Like a secondary release vote on general@ >> >> This is because of ASF bylaws i.e only PMC votes are binding on

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:17 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Hoops constructed by the IPMC. Like a secondary release vote on general@ > > This is because of ASF bylaws i.e only PMC votes are binding on releases. That is not in the Bylaws. Stop making stuff up. > So you're saying

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Flagon UserALE.js (Incubating) v2.0.2

Hi, +1 (binding) on the source release, but sorry it’s -1 (binding) for the binaries as they are missing the DISCLAIMER file [2] You might want to consider using a checklist when checking releases [1]. Also when voting on release it a good idea to list what you checked rather than just saying

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Apache Beam ZetaSQL Translator

Yes, apologies. Copy/paste error. Thanks for catching & finding the right link. Kenn On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:57 PM Julian Hyde wrote: > Do you mean https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9210 < > https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9210> ? 6561 is the Dataflow Runner. > > > On Aug 13, 2019, at

[VOTE] Release Apache Flagon UserALE.js (Incubating) v2.0.2

Hi Folks, Please VOTE on the Apache Flagon 2.0.2 Release Candidate # 1 This VOTE has passed successfully within the Apache Flagon community. We are now posting the VOTE on general@ as required by Apache Release Management policies. Interim RESULT on dev@ are as follows: [+1] 7 Joshua

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi, As an aside for any project looking for mentors you can see what projects they mentor at teh bottom of this page: https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/ And you can also check if they have been signing off reports here (if you are an ASF member or IPMC member):

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

A vanity mentor is a person with a big name and a small amount of time. Projects go for the name, the mentor goes for the ego boost and then reality catches up. But, hey, you are "mentoring" 12 projects! On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 5:18 PM David Jencks wrote: > What’s a “vanity mentor“? How do I

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi, > They are gated day by day by day. Empirically, we already know the podlings > dislike this. Empirically? I would say it’s more anecdotally, (and the anonymous podling survey has actually never brought this up as an issue), and “day by day by day” is an exaggeration. Other than the

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi, > Hoops constructed by the IPMC. Like a secondary release vote on general@ This is because of ASF bylaws i.e only PMC votes are binding on releases. So you're saying implementations of ASF bylaws are "arbitrarily defined hoops”? There could be other ways of dealing with this bylaw that

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:10 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Here's an idea... The IPMC focuses on supporting mentors to do their job > rather than forcing project developers and their mentors to jump through > arbitrarily defined hoops. > > What "arbitrarily defined hoops” are you referring

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 Good luck Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Zipkin Twitter, wusheng1108 William Guo 于2019年8月14日周三 上午7:38写道： > +1 > > Congratulations!!! > > > Thanks, > William > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:22 AM Ryan Blue > wrote: > > > +1 > > > > Congratulations! > > > >

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

What’s a “vanity mentor“? How do I recognize one before a podling has a significant history? Who is currently accepting these vanity mentors and how would they stop doing so? Hindsight is 20-20... I have no crystal ball. David Jencks Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Justin

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi, > Here's an idea... The IPMC focuses on supporting mentors to do their job > rather than forcing project developers and their mentors to jump through > arbitrarily defined hoops. What "arbitrarily defined hoops” are you referring to? ASF policy or something else? > The IPMC doesn't need

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 Congratulations!!! Thanks, William On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:22 AM Ryan Blue wrote: > +1 > > Congratulations! > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:03 PM Myrle Krantz wrote: > > > +1 binding I'm looking forward to welcoming you to the fold! : o) > > > > Best, > > Myrle > > > > On Tue, Aug 13,

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Druid (incubating) 0.15.1 [RC2]

+1 I checked: - Can compile from source - No unexpected binary files - Source files have ASF headers - incubating in name - signatures and hashes fine - LICENSE is fine Thanks, William On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:59 AM Furkan KAMACI wrote: > Hi, > > +1 from me. > > I checked: > - Incubating

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Here's an idea... The IPMC focuses on supporting mentors to do their job rather than forcing project developers and their mentors to jump through arbitrarily defined hoops. That means stay out of the way until the mentor asks for a graduation vote. The IPMC doesn't need to enforce policy of

Re: Mentor signoff on podling reports (due August 13)

Hi, The report will be submitted soon and we’re still missing sign-off from any of the mentors for Livy. Mentors if you’re reading this please sign-off the report. A number of podlings only have one sign-off, the board likes to see more than one mentor sign-off on reports. Currently only

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Druid (incubating) 0.15.1 [RC2]

Hi, +1 from me. I checked: - Incubating in name - Disclaimer exists - LICENSE is fine - No unexpected binary files - Code compiles and tests successfully run Kind Regards, Furkan KAMACI 13 Ağu 2019 Sal, saat 13:04 tarihinde Justin Mclean < jus...@classsoftware.com> şunu yazdı: > Hi, > > > I

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 Congratulations! On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:03 PM Myrle Krantz wrote: > +1 binding I'm looking forward to welcoming you to the fold! : o) > > Best, > Myrle > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:10 PM Suneel Marthi wrote: > > > +1 binding > > > > Congrats !! > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:06 PM

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi, > I am for option (F) with the addition of Myrle’s [REVIEW] until such time as > the podling is fully compliant with Apache Release Policy and goes through > the usual process. Abiding by the Apache Release Policy would remain a > Graduation Requirement. I’ll note not a single podling has

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Apache Beam ZetaSQL Translator

Do you mean https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9210 ? 6561 is the Dataflow Runner. > On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Kenneth Knowles wrote: > > Apache Beam has received a code donation of a ZetaSQL Translator > > The IP clearance document is at >

[IP CLEARANCE] Apache Beam ZetaSQL Translator

Apache Beam has received a code donation of a ZetaSQL Translator The IP clearance document is at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/beam-zetasql-translator.html The pull request is https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/6561/ Please review in the next 72 hours, then IP clearance will proceed

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 binding I'm looking forward to welcoming you to the fold! : o) Best, Myrle On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:10 PM Suneel Marthi wrote: > +1 binding > > Congrats !! > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:06 PM Julian Feinauer < > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de> wrote: > > > +1 (binding) > > > >

[LAZY][VOTE] Release Apache IoTDB (Incubating) 0.8.0 RC3

Hello all, This is a call for vote to release Apache IoTDB (Incubating) version 0.8.0, which is the first Apache Release for the IoTDB Project. The Apache IoTDB community has voted on and approved a proposal to release Apache IoTDB (Incubating) version 0.8.0. We now kindly request the

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 binding Congrats !! On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:06 PM Julian Feinauer < j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de> wrote: > +1 (binding) > > Congratulations! > > Julian > > > Ursprüngliche Nachricht > Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level > Project'

AW: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 (binding) Congratulations! Julian Ursprüngliche Nachricht Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board Von: Julian Hyde An: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: +1 Good luck! It has been great mentoring you guys. On

AW: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking

Hi, I fully agree with Julian here. But we should beware not to start a witch hunt about 'bad mentors' but develop an environment where one can step back as mentor if priorities change or for other reasons are no longer able to mentor. Everybody is a volunteer here so we should thank everybody

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

I see I was volunteer... OK let's do it. --- Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry From: David Nalley Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 8:31:29 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

When I used to do endless apache way talks I used to say "if you are using an Incubator project expect to invest in both engineering and legal, but once a project is a TLP your legal can reduce and engineering becomes about your use rather than community progrwe towards TLP" In other words Jim

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking

I agree with a lot of Dave Fisher's points. Some mentors will fail. Let's not waste effort trying to 'vet' them beforehand; it's time-consuming and counter-productive. Let's instead make it easier to detect when mentors fail (I think the "Have your mentors been helpful?" question on podling

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 Good luck! It has been great mentoring you guys. On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:40 AM Andrei Savu wrote: > > +1 (binding) > > Congrats! Great to see such an active community. > > -- Andrei Savu > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:03 AM Gian Merlino wrote: > > > The Apache Druid community has

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 (binding) Congrats! Great to see such an active community. -- Andrei Savu On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:03 AM Gian Merlino wrote: > The Apache Druid community has recently discussed our readiness for > graduation [1] and voted on it affirmatively [2, 3]. We've also assessed > ourselves

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking

I founded some apache project and graduated to TLP, and also keep contributing to some other apache projects but almost in code, wonder to know how to volunteer as IPMC to help some incubator projects graduate in Apache way. Hao Chen On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:43 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > > >

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 - Hao On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:10 AM Ted Dunning wrote: > +1 > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:17 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > > > +1 (binding) > > > > Regarding: QU30: See https://www.apache.org/security/ and > > https://www.apache.org/security/committers.html > > > >

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Hi Ted, This subthread as named by Greg is really about this: > On Aug 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > See further below for an unfortunately trimmed thread. A couple paragraphs > that I wrote early-thread are important to add: > > > Option (F): stop calling them official ASF

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:17 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > +1 (binding) > > Regarding: QU30: See https://www.apache.org/security/ and > https://www.apache.org/security/committers.html > > https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered is impressive. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:03

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

Dave, I understand the problem with long delays. What I don't understand is how the proposal changes any of that. 90% of project release still require additional votes. How will that change? Every other change is peripheral. On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:37 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > On Aug

Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:10 AM Dave Fisher > wrote: > >> >> >>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:24 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> > On Aug 12,

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 (binding) Regarding: QU30: See https://www.apache.org/security/ and https://www.apache.org/security/committers.html https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered is impressive. Regards, Dave > On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:03 AM, Gian Merlino wrote: > > The Apache Druid community has recently

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1 (binding) -Taylor > On Aug 13, 2019, at 3:03 AM, Gian Merlino wrote: > > The Apache Druid community has recently discussed our readiness for > graduation [1] and voted on it affirmatively [2, 3]. We've also assessed > ourselves against the maturity model [4] and collaborated on a resolution

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking

Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:39 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > HI, > > I think there's a couple of misconceptions in this thread. First off > currently you can join the IPMC two ways by being an ASF member and asking to > join, the other by being voted in. On average the

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

Hi, Definitely +1! Kind Regards, Furkan KAMACI On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:25 PM Matt Sicker wrote: > +1, sounds great! > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:58, Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > +1 good luck on your journey! > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > >

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

+1, sounds great! On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:58, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > +1 good luck on your journey! > > Thanks, > Justin > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Druid (incubating) 0.15.1 [RC2]

Hi, > I was not directly involved in this, but it is my understanding that the > modifications to our source NOTICE file between 0.15.0-incubating and this > version are a result of this thread on the IPMC vote, >

Re: [VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

Hi, +1 good luck on your journey! Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking

HI, I think there's a couple of misconceptions in this thread. First off currently you can join the IPMC two ways by being an ASF member and asking to join, the other by being voted in. On average the people being voted in tend to not go missing, review releases and sign off board reports more

[VOTE] Recommend 'Apache Druid graduation to Top Level Project' resolution to the board

The Apache Druid community has recently discussed our readiness for graduation [1] and voted on it affirmatively [2, 3]. We've also assessed ourselves against the maturity model [4] and collaborated on a resolution for graduation including PMC membership and PMC chair. The community's

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking

I agree, I think that the "requirement" (Never really knew there was such a requirement) of being a Member sort of gives you the easy entry path as if you are a member people expect you to understand the Apache Way. However that doesn't mean that people not being a member don't get the Apache

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking

Hi, I'm a new IPMC Member (no foundation member) and come from a PLC4X which has graduated months ago. I already started to help other Podlings a bit. And I agree with Dave in the sense that we should seek our way not in locking-out people but in finding ways to draw in more people. It was

[OFFER] Offer to Mentor one or two podlings

Hi, this goes to the IPMC as well as to podlings watching this list. I just recently became IPMC member and am currently pretty active in the IoTDB Project as “informal mentor” (started there before becoming IPMC member) together with 3 other pretty active mentors. As I received a lot of help