I should have said I don't like the idea of the board receiving reports for
podlings that need assistance. It already does. Its not the reporting
that's a problem, its the support that's needed in a small number of cases.
I'll expand on that in Chris' thread.
I'll note that in this thread I
That first sentence still doesn't parse, sorry ...
I should have said I don't like the idea of the board taking
responsibility. I have no problem with it receiving reports directly.
Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
On 15 Jun 2013 07:55, Ross Gardler
The Board is always the responsible party, but in the sense that you mean
responsibility in finding a fix, then I fully agree.
IMO, if a pTLP gets into the weeds, then the Board will just say fix
yourself within six months, or we dismantle you.
Cheers,
-g
On Jun 15, 2013 2:58 AM, Ross Gardler
I'm also +1 (and excited!) on trying out this as a probationary TLPs, and
with doing that using the approaches outlined by Ross and others in other
emails on this thread (which is basically having a vote now to accept this
as a podling so we can get started and then working up a probationary TLP
FWIW: IMO the Incubator still serves a crucial role in
the social and legal aspects of *creating* an Apache
project and community. The Probationary TLP opens us
up to more risk for what I can see as no real benefit
or reduction in effort or resources.
Also, the unwash public is aware of the
Speaking as a Director, the Board will need a *definition* of
probation. This is more than just a wiki page. I believe it needs to
be a page laid down in www.a.o/dev/ that defines the constraints laid
down upon a pTLP (I really like Ross' acronym there!). These
differences/constraints should
Thanks for your comments Jim.
You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns
about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members have argued
strongly for the concept.
I do believe there is merit in experimenting with different models of
incubation and I do believe the
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
I propose we ensure that whatever we put before the board in July has
an alternative course of action that does not disenfranchise the IPMC
It is perfectly fine to disenfranchise the IPMC. It does not get a
Thanks Greg,
Your pointers (as a director) are useful.
As an IPMC member who supports the concept of pTLP I hope you will
assist, either during discussion or during review, in ensuring we have
sufficient clarity around these items prior
to submission to the board (yes I realise that's what this
On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Thanks for your comments Jim.
You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns
about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members have argued
strongly for the concept.
To be clear, the
On 14 June 2013 14:40, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
I propose we ensure that whatever we put before the board in July has
an alternative course of action that does not disenfranchise the IPMC
It is
On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Thanks for your comments Jim.
You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns
about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
wrote:
Thanks for your comments Jim.
You will see from the archives that I share most
One comment that I wish I could express more clearly:
On 6/14/2013 10:42 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote:
...
* pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an
Incubator. Yes we have more projects now. So what. We'll continue
to have more projects and those will eventually
, June 14, 2013 6:48 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
wrote
, 2013 8:38 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
On 14 June 2013 15:42, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Those are concerns/issues with the Incubator. They aren't
a proposal
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
The Probationary TLP opens us up to more risk for what I can see as no real
benefit or reduction in effort or resources.
I expect the experiment to yield a specific benefit to Stratos: a more
intensive incubation experience
On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
* pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an
Incubator. Yes we have more projects now. So what. We'll continue
to have more projects and those will eventually graduate to TLP,
++
-Original Message-
From: Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:32 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
@incubator.apache.org
Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:48 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler rgard
On 14 June 2013 18:16, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
* pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an
Incubator. Yes we have more projects now. So what. We'll continue
to
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
Now, truth be told, I don't like the pTLP reporting to the board idea.
I see no problem whatsoever with the suggested pTLP reporting.
Let me throw out a hypothetical counterpoint here...
The Incubator gathers
@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:12 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
So here's a thought...
There have been many discussions about different ways to incubate
projects. One
On 13 June 2013 04:56, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
So here's a thought...
...
I would therefore like to propose that we use Apache Stratos as a test
case for the probationary TLP idea. I've already
On 13 June 2013 04:04, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:27 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote:
ccing trademarks@
Note the mix of public and private lists.
Yeah we also thought about that .. if StratosLive is too close to home we
can certainly change
Ross, thanks for bringing this up! I'm happy to be a part of this
experiment.
On 13 June 2013 09:13, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Better yes - required before we can vote - no. My reasoning is
that WSO2 have already agreed they will use a different name if VP
Branding
On 13 June 2013 10:56, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Ross, thanks for bringing this up! I'm happy to be a part of this
experiment.
On 13 June 2013 09:13, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Better yes - required before we can vote - no. My reasoning is
that WSO2 have
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote:
Ross, thanks for bringing this up! I'm happy to be a part of this
experiment.
Cool.
While owning the Stratos trademark would certainly put us in a position
of being able to ask WSO2 to stop using StratosLive. But
I'm just happy to have PaaS as a part of Apache. Thanks to all who are
doing this.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 June
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
2. You need to apply branding rules consistently.
WSO2 have agreed to do so.
Sanjiva - perhaps you can edit the proposal to this effect in order to
help allay any fears. That is to include the statement you
On 13 June 2013 11:26, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
2. You need to apply branding rules consistently.
WSO2 have agreed to do so.
Sanjiva - perhaps you can edit the proposal to this effect in
On 13 June 2013 11:21, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
This is the root of why CouchDB has a problem today. I believe you a
projecting that problem and its cause onto a different issue here.
This is not about allowing WSO2 an exception to the existing policy.
It is about
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:10 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It's with great pleasure that I invite the IPMC to review a new
proposal [1] for the Apache Incubator. Please let us know if you have
(Please note that this conversation is happening on general@, a publicly
archived list, so there is a limit to what level of details of brand
strategy I will engage in on this thread.)
To be brief:
- This issue should not gate a [VOTE] to begin incubation.
- Given both WSO2's history and the
On Jun 13, 2013, at 1:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 June 2013 04:56, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
So here's a thought...
...
I would therefore like to propose that
On 13 June 2013 14:12, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jun 13, 2013, at 1:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 June 2013 04:56, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
wrote:
So
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 05:39:24AM +0530, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey
mar...@rectangular.comwrote:
== Known Risks ==
Stratos has largely been developed by sponsored developers employed at
a single organization - WSO2. Seeking a broader
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 08:58 AM, Chip Childers wrote:
Alternatively, if WS02 wanted to keep using the Stratos term, the
podling (to be) could re-brand the project itself to something other
than Stratos.
I think this would be a better way to go, honestly. If there was one
thing I could do
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I would therefore like to propose that we use Apache Stratos as a test
case for the probationary TLP idea.
If the Stratos folks are amenable, +1. It's an incremental, reversible step
forward.
With so many
+1 for the probationary TLP idea.
Azeez
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
So here's a thought...
There have been many discussions about different ways to incubate
projects. One of the most radical ideas is to dismantle the incubator
and replace
Hi
The proposal is well detailed and very informative, the purpose of the
projects fits ASF's Cloud Ecosystem and the community is very promising
already reminds me with the one of ACS. Very looking forward to start
rolling the podling tasks
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Christian
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:53:22PM +0200, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
Hi
The proposal is well detailed and very informative, the purpose of the
projects fits ASF's Cloud Ecosystem and the community is very promising
already reminds me with the one of ACS. Very looking forward to start
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:10 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It's with great pleasure that I invite the IPMC to review a new
proposal [1] for the Apache Incubator. Please let us know if you have
any questions or comments - as you will see there are plenty of people
on the
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote:
== Known Risks ==
Stratos has largely been developed by sponsored developers employed at
a single organization - WSO2. Seeking a broader community of
contributors is a top goal of contributing Stratos to
+1
-- dims
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It's with great pleasure that I invite the IPMC to review a new
proposal [1] for the Apache Incubator. Please let us know if you have
any questions or comments - as you will see there are plenty of
Great to see WSO2 Stratos coming to Apache, and I would love to join/help
this project.
Deepal
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
It's with great pleasure that I invite the IPMC to review a new
proposal [1] for the Apache Incubator. Please let us
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote:
=== Mailing Lists ===
1. d...@stratos.incubator.apache.org - for developer/user discussions,
JIRA change notifications continuous build/test notifications
2. comm...@stratos.incubator.apache.org - for
Good catch on the missing private@ list - thanks
Ross
On 13 June 2013 01:43, Afkham Azeez afk...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey
mar...@rectangular.comwrote:
=== Mailing Lists ===
1. d...@stratos.incubator.apache.org - for developer/user discussions,
So here's a thought...
There have been many discussions about different ways to incubate
projects. One of the most radical ideas is to dismantle the incubator
and replace the podling concept with probationary TLPs reporting to
the board. As readers of this list will know I do not support the idea
...@opendirective.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
So here's a thought...
There have been many discussions about different ways to incubate
projects. One of the most radical ideas is to dismantle
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
So here's a thought...
There have been many discussions about different ways to incubate
projects. One of the most radical ideas is to dismantle
Hi Ross,
+ 1 for considering this project for the probationary TLP experiment. Here are
my 2 cents:
* The initial committers list on the proposal demonstrates diversity.
* The proposal building process was inclusive (a glimpse of wiki history shows
some of it). With enough outsiders (who were
ccing trademarks@
Note the mix of public and private lists.
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey
mar...@rectangular.comwrote:
== Known Risks ==
Stratos has largely been developed by sponsored
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:27 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote:
ccing trademarks@
Note the mix of public and private lists.
Yeah we also thought about that .. if StratosLive is too close to home we
can certainly change it. Bit painful but not impossible.
Better to get an answer to
On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
So here's a thought...
There have been many discussions about different ways to incubate
projects. One of the most radical ideas is to dismantle the incubator
and replace the podling concept with probationary TLPs
It's with great pleasure that I invite the IPMC to review a new
proposal [1] for the Apache Incubator. Please let us know if you have
any questions or comments - as you will see there are plenty of people
on the initial commit list ready and willing to answer your questions.
I copy the full text
Apologies. I just realise I never added Ant Elder to the mentor list.
I've added him to the wiki, please be aware he is not in the list of
mentors on the proposal pasted below.
Ross
On 11 June 2013 10:10, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It's with great pleasure that I invite the
Impressive proposal. Reminds me on RH OpenShift actually.
Please note the first two links are broken in gmail.
They are:
* http://www.gartner.com/it-glossary/platform-as-a-service-paas
* http://www.gartner.com/it-glossary/infrastructure-as-a-service-iaas
Anyway, proposal looks really good for
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