Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-25 Thread Siegfried Goeschl
Hi folks, could you stop believing in a conspiracy taking place at the Apache Isis incubator project where a bunch of Isis member plus a few obscure mentors are trying to subvert the Apache Software Foundation by having a Skype session?! Get real - some of the concerns are justified and

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-25 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 22:34, Siegfried Goeschl siegfried.goes...@it20one.at wrote: Hi folks, could you stop believing in a conspiracy taking place at the Apache Isis incubator project where a bunch of Isis member plus a few obscure mentors are trying to subvert the Apache Software

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Jeremy Carroll jer...@topquadrant.com wrote: On 11/24/2010 3:58 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: But this is like if you are working in an office in front of a collegue : most of the time, you don't chit-chat, you work. And when it comes to make a decision

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-25 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
+1 @ Bertrand On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Jeremy Carroll jer...@topquadrant.com wrote: On 11/24/2010 3:58 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: But this is like if you are working in an office in front of a

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-25 Thread Andy Seaborne
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Jeremy Carrolljer...@topquadrant.com wrote: On 11/24/2010 3:58 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: But this is like if you are working in an office in front of a collegue : most of

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-25 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Decisions are not made except on the mailing lists. Unless it is the Apache Board, which makes decisions in real-time and communicates back the result. Different standards for different folks. ;-) Cheers -- Niclas

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-25 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Andy Seaborne wrote on Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:10:14 +: In the past, I can remember stepping away from my desk for a few minutes for coffee to come back to 10's of messages (bounced of a US server of course) of Jena discussions between people a few feet apart. As long as dozens of

[DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Some reading the thread on the ISIS podling's use of Skype may feel that I am dismissing their opinions or disregarding an established policy. To do penance for any perceived slight, and to make it perfectly clear that it is my intention to respect established policy, I am starting this thread

RE: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making. Did you see Greg's e-mail? Just bring a summary of discussion points back

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making.

RE: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Upayavira
There's something we need to watch out for here about how the incubator works. The incubator is a place for podling members to learn, and learning is something *they* do. Our part is to provide encouragement and guidance as appropriate, and to allow podlings to make mistakes. That is an important

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Siegfried Goeschl
Hi folks, could you stop believing in a conspiracy taking place at the Apache Isis incubator project where a bunch of Isis member plus a few obscure mentors are trying to subvert the Apache Software Foundation by having a Skype session?! Get real - some of the concerns are justified and well

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 11/24/10 7:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making. Did you see Greg's e-mail? Just

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Jeremy Carroll
On 11/24/2010 3:58 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: But this is like if you are working in an office in front of a collegue : most of the time, you don't chit-chat, you work. And when it comes to make a decision impacting the whole project, then the discussion is moved to the ML. In the Jena