On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
...I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
Here's a link to the proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal ...
FYI people following this: the vote for the two proposed mentors who
are not
Hi Anne,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
yoji...@gmail.com wrote:
...I am very interested in joining as a mentor.
Right now I am a committer on Apache ESME and a PPMC member, so I
would have to be elected to the incubator PMC first.
I learned a lot from Apache ESME's
Leo,
I agree with you that Flex is different in that it's targeting a
proprietary VM. That's why I think it should be a goal of Apache Flex
to create an alternative runtime, next to Flash/AIR, and it should be
part of the proposal. Since I'm not an ASF member, I can just hint to
it, it's up to
Having Anne as a mentor would be fantastic - thanks for volunteering, hope
you can make it in!
Think its a definite plus to have some mentors with a solid background
knowledge of Flex and the existing community.
- Peter
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
I think you do make a good point Raju and one that has been a discussion
topic in our community to some extent but is in my opinion certainly not a
showstopper.
Speaking as a committer - and my feeling is most of us would subscribe to
this - having Flex export as SWF run on the Adobe Flash Player
On Dec 22, 2011 5:05 AM, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
...
I know this message is very long, but I think these topics need some
clarification.
Honestly? My read of your message(s) is, let's ask for so much stuff at
the start, that this podling/community can never even get
I'm neither committer nor contributor (yet) but I follow all discussions
here concerning Flex very closely. Having Anne as a mentor for Flex would
really be great.
Thanks,
Dirk.
2011/12/22 Peter Elst peter.e...@gmail.com
Having Anne as a mentor would be fantastic - thanks for volunteering,
Greg,
That's definitely not what I'm trying to do. Based on the feedback I've
read here so far I'd say the following approach makes sense:
1) See that the contribution of the Flex SDK source code to Apache
happens very soon, to give the Apache Flex community a chance to start
working on it. This
On Dec 22, 2011 8:28 AM, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
But as Bertrand has said, I've raised the questions to early in the
process.
Yeah... possibly I'm just reading it as obstruction, when the honest intent
is awareness for the future podling. My apologies.
Cheers,
-g
No reason to apologize, Greg.
Going into detailed discussions too early in the process is not
helpful. And I don't want to give everyone else the impression that
I'm trying to create barriers for the incubation process.
Best regards,
Raju
2011/12/22 Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com:
On Dec 22,
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Craig L Russell
craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote:
On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
...
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Craig L Russell
craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote:
...
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have
Hi Raju,
Yes, we hope to contribute Falcon before it is finished, but it isn't ready
to be contributed now, and the rest of the Flex SDK is and we have a large
group of folks eager to get started on it.
There will be some overlap between folks working on Falcon and on the SDK,
but I think the
On 12/21/2011 1:35 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites
On 12/21/2011 3:00 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
As long as there's no confusion as to which Flex is which, and as long
as there's no favoritism in how people are allowed to use the Flex
name, I think this might work.
Whoa... slow down. You are not correct Bertrand.
As long as there is no
Hi Alex,
Excellent, that's really good news! I agree with you, it's probably
better to keep Falcon and Apache Flex as separate projects.
It makes a lot of sense to contribute the Flex SDK as quickly as
possible to Apache, and it wouldn't be good to have the community
waiting for it.
And I fully
Hi Incubator PMC and ASF members,
In case you missed my earlier call: we are still looking for mentors
for http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Given the size of the codebase and the large list of initial
committers, it would be good to have at least one or two additional
experienced
On 12/21/2011 4:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
I totally agree that the use of the Apache Flex trademark needs to be
clearly defined - once the podling starts.
Or rather, before it is allowed to graduate. That is but one of the many
steps during graduation, determine the provenience of
On 21 December 2011 10:59, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, William A. Rowe Jr.
wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
On 12/21/2011 4:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
I totally agree that the use of the Apache Flex trademark needs to be
clearly
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com wrote:
...I am very interested in this project as it is something we use regularly
in my daily work. I'd probably qualify as a junior mentor since I've only
mentored one other podling to date. But I'll add my name to the list
Hi Bertrand,
It looks like this issue is well understood and I have no concerns
that the incubating community will take appropriate steps during
incubation to resolve any remaining issues regarding the name.
Craig
On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21,
-0800
To: Adobe Systems cfram...@adobe.com
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Thanks for that information, Carol!
Based on this blog post on the Flex Summit it sounded like the company
made an announcement on support
Hey folks,
I had to think about this a bunch. We don't have anything like this at
apache today.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:30, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
(..) Adobe Flex is quite different from most Apache
Hi Leo,
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
...* Adobe could unilaterally change the license for the flash player,
the SWF format, and/or the prerequisite SDKs, and flex would become
essentially useless
Assuming this is true (I'm not saying it's not, but
weeks.
Carol
-Original Message-
From: Marcel Offermansmarcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:58:04 -0800
To: general@incubator.apache.orggeneral@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Hello Alex,
On Dec 19, 2011, at 21:20 PM, Alex
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Looking for mentors for Flex (was: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache
Incubator)
Hi Incubator PMC and ASF members,
In case you missed my earlier call: we are still looking for mentors for
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Given the size of the codebase
Hi Bertrand,
If there are some experienced Mentors added and I am elected to the Incubator
PMC, I would be willing to be a Junior Mentor.
I've been on the Apache POI PMC for a few years - a small group with a widely
used library, and for the past 6 months I've been active on the OpenOffice
On 21 December 2011 21:31, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Bertrand,
If there are some experienced Mentors added and I am elected to the Incubator
PMC, I would be willing to be a Junior Mentor.
Ha!!!
+1 for Dave. He's on AOO and anyone around there for more than two
weeks has
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
Here's a link to the proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Pasted inline:
= Apache Flex Proposal =
== Abstract ==
Apache Flex is an
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Kalle Korhonen
kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
Even still, companies don't participate in ASF projects, individuals
do. To me, the proposal implies Adobe is
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
On 12/19/11 3:39 PM, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
...
8) Open standards support
The whole proposal does not mention open standards, JavaScript, or the
buzz word HTML5. Again, it might make sense to make support
Yes, that is fine.
On 12/20/11 2:27 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Kalle Korhonen
kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
Even still,
Hi Alex,
re-reading the proposal, a few other questions came to my mind:
1) Flash Player SDK
What are you referring to, when listing the Adobe Flash Player SDK
under External Dependencies. The Adobe website says:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/
Sorry, page not available, and
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:30, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
...
2) Action Script Virtual Machine (AVM)
In November 2006 Adobe open source the Flash Player Script engine:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/press/mozilla-2006-11-07.html
Is the source code of Tamarin still the current
One small clarification. ActionScript is a variant off of ECMascript 3
(ES3). ECMAscript 4, which included significant functionality
fromActionScript was removed from active standard development in favor of
ECMAscript 5, a incremental update to ES3. http://adobe.ly/vO2EI6
ECMA is currently
Thanks for the quick response, Greg!
On 12/20/11 9:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:30, Raju Bitterrajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
...
2) Action Script Virtual Machine (AVM)
In November 2006 Adobe open source the Flash Player Script engine:
Thanks, Dave, that's correct.
Who will be managing/governing the ActionScript language, after Flex
has been contributed to Apache? Is there a steering committee planned
for the language?
I can imagine that there are a number of products at Adobe using
ActionScript 3. And changes to the language
Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:58:04 -0800
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Hello Alex,
On Dec 19, 2011, at 21:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache
weeks.
Carol
-Original Message-
From: Marcel Offermansmarcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:58:04 -0800
To: general@incubator.apache.orggeneral@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Hello Alex,
On Dec 19, 2011, at 21:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote
Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: rajubit...@gmail.com rajubit...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:49:13 -0800
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Thanks for the quick response, Greg!
On 12/20/11 9:37 PM, Greg
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that.
Whilst I don't see any problem with that in principle it would be
really useful to itemise these items
-Original Message-
From: Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: rajubit...@gmail.com rajubit...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:49:13 -0800
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Thanks for the quick
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that.
Whilst I don't see any problem with that in principle
Ross Gardler wrote on Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 22:24:54 +:
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that.
For those who don't know it already:
On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to create
Responses inline:
On 12/20/11 12:30 PM, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Alex,
re-reading the proposal, a few other questions came to my mind:
1) Flash Player SDK
What are you referring to, when listing the Adobe Flash Player SDK
under External Dependencies. The Adobe
Listing them might be nearly impossible. I don't think we know them all.
What are the rules around something like:
riaflex dot blogspot dot com
Or
www dot cflex dot net
I think there's lots of sites like these out there.
Thanks,
-Alex
On 12/20/11 2:24 PM, Ross Gardler
Thanks a lot, Alex.
I just wanted to get a better understanding of how Apache Flex relates
to Flash Player, Tamarin, Adobe AIR, and your responses really helped
me to get a better understanding of the proposal. All I have
heard/read so far sounds very promising. I like the direction Adobe is
Alex,
I have been watching this recording of a session in the Flex Summit a week ago:
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/flex-community-summit-december-2011/open-discussion-about-falcon-and-falconjs/
Greg DeMichillie, Sr. Director of Product Management, and Danny
Winokur, VP/GM Interactive Business Unit
I'd prefer to see Apache Flex voted on by itself, without tying the
contribution to Falcon. I suspect there are more than enough people who are
willing to have a go atbthisbwithout Falcon.
Let's not strive for a perfect contribution from Adobe, and miss an
opportunity for an excellent
On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
wrote:
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part
Hi everyone,
I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
Here's a link to the proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Thank you,
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Hoo hoo!! Look at that committer list!
Great stuff. Happy to see this finally land. Big +1!
On Dec 19, 2011 3:21 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
Here's a link to the proposal:
A minor comment on one sentence...
To that end, Adobe will only have minority representation on the
initial committers list.
As I understand it, companies don't have representation in Apache
projects. Individuals do, that may or may not belong to a given
company, and that may or may not be
Hello Alex,
On Dec 19, 2011, at 21:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
Here's a link to the proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
First of all, thanks for this proposal, it looks well thought out. I have a
question
@incubator.apache.org
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:46:13 -0800
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
A minor comment on one sentence...
To that end, Adobe will only have minority representation on the
initial committers list
I don't read it that way. Yes, ASF projects only contain individuals, but
most of those individuals are employed and are in some way influenced by
their employer. Calling out that the initial set of committers will be
diverse and that a majority of those committers will be coming from places
Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
On Dec 19, 2011 6:48 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
I don't read it that way. Yes, ASF projects only contain individuals, but
most of those individuals are employed and are in some way influenced by
their employer. Calling
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
Even still, companies don't participate in ASF projects, individuals
do. To me, the proposal implies Adobe is a participating entity. The
sentence in question would read better as To that end,
My responses inline.
On 12/19/11 3:39 PM, Raju Bitter rajubit...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Alex,
the proposal looks very promising. I have a few questions around
ActionScript, runtime environments for compiled code, HTML5/JavaScript
cross-compilation support, and target runtime
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