Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any PPMC members > since its inception... If that's correct I'm -1 on graduating Sentry. and earlier he wrote: > ..The model that Sentry is pursing may work very

Wave - download page links to nightly builds etc

The Wave download page http://incubator.apache.org/wave/downloads.html specifically says that there have been no releases However it links to automated builds and an RC in a home directory on minotaur. That does not seem right.

Re: Wave - download page links to nightly builds etc

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, at 11:15 AM, sebb wrote: > The Wave download page > > http://incubator.apache.org/wave/downloads.html > > specifically says that there have been no releases > > However it links to automated builds and an RC in a home directory on > minotaur. > > That does not seem

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Groovy from the Incubator

As Director as well as mentor, YES. > On Nov 1, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On Oct 28, 2015 4:26 PM, "Konstantin Boudnik" wrote: >> >> Following discussions [1] about its current status, the Groovy community >> has voted [2] to graduate from

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015, at 06:04 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > > > > ... the reply from > > Arvind which basically says he doesn't consider it an issue if the > > project is "following a roadmap the community does not have

Re: Wave - download page links to nightly builds etc

Hi Sebb, Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have updated the downloads page removing the link to the RC, and clarifying the differences of the available download options: 1) no official releases, get RC from mailing list, 2) or risk the automated build Is this what you had in mind? Let

Re: New Podling Website

+1 to jekyll also. I’m a git fanboy but in my opinion, for the purposes of publishing web sites svnpubsub is superior to gitpubsub. Why? Websites contain a lot of generated code such as javadoc, and I don’t want that living in my git repo (and everyone else’s copy of it) forever. I recommend

Re: New Podling Website

+1 to the approach Julian described. will also work nicely with Middleman or Nanoc. Take a look at the Mesos website, it uses Middleman and is in this same workflow -Jake On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Julian Hyde wrote: > +1 to jekyll also. > > I’m a git fanboy but in my

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: >> ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any PPMC members >> since its inception... > > If that's correct I'm -1 on

Re: podlings and github

As Ted points out, so long as the prior github presence is effectively mothballed I don't see any problem with leaving it up for the foreseeable future. The main concern of mine and the membership involves podlings making active use of a github repo not under Apache's direct control. This

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 05:27PM, Vinod Vavilapalli wrote: > Many of the active TLPs do tend to center all project discussions on JIRA as > opposed to mailing lists. OTOH, non-code discussions are usually best served > on mailing lists. > > Instead of making it a JIRA vs mailing list discussion,

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 04:27PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On 11/02/2015 03:57 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > > I see this (the release discussion threads you linked) as a semi-mature > > community that's well aligned. A number of folks responded to the request > > for discussion and said they were in

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:06 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > At this point, I'd request that my vote remain listed as -1 on the board > resolution. A -1 on a graduation resolution is significant. While a -1 on a release VOTE does not block the release, a -1 on a VOTE like

Re: CommonsRDF petering out

This is my opinion right now. I think one of the struggles with this podling is that they're their own consumers. It's going to be hard for them to grow beyond themselves because the consumers are the producers right now. They're simply providing a default implementation of a spec, which may

Re: CommonsRDF petering out

Hi Folks, Yes it has been slow to date there is no doubt. The community has seen little activity however that is not to say that no one cares. I think we can hash this out over in the dev list and see where it goes. Thanks Lewis On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:43 PM,

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, at 04:42 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > > ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Sure, to reiterate comments made in other threads. The issue started with a missing SGA. The SGA missing was problematic for a few reasons: - The discussion thread was started without all required pre-steps resolved. - The vote thread was started before the SGA was submitted to the secretary.

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any PPMC > members > > since its inception... > > If that's correct I'm

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

I’d like to clarify one thing. I believe that the licensing issue [1] was fixed in release 1.1-incubating. Issues were raised during the 1.1 release vote, and the vote may have had some procedural problems, and release 1.0 had the aforementioned problem, but release 1.1 is sound. Julian [1]

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Kylin did have successful releases without licensing issue: 0.7.1 and 0.7.2. Especially with 0.7.1, the community did another re-VOTE to address Justin concern about license issue:

[VOTE] Apache Sirona 0.3-incubating

Hi, As mentionned on sirona list I'd like to release Apache Sirona 0.3-incubating. Fixed issues:

Re: [VOTE] Apache Sirona 0.3-incubating

I'm assuming this is a dev vote and general was copied ? On Nov 3, 2015 16:25, "Romain Manni-Bucau" wrote: > Hi, > > As mentionned on sirona list I'd like to release Apache Sirona > 0.3-incubating. > > Fixed issues: > >

Re: [VOTE] Apache Sirona 0.3-incubating

put general as well trying to avoid to need to get twice the same votes. Should have I cc-ed general instead? Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau | Blog | Github | LinkedIn

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Thanks Justin, I was going to respond similarly but wanted to get the mail link as well. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201510.mbox/%3C28A8C932-7B8D-492D-9934-389751E0CAFB%40classsoftware.com%3E John On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:06 PM Justin Mclean

Re: Droids Podling Issue

I'll move them forward to retired in podlings.xml and start looking at jenkins if that helps (for both podlings) On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:21 PM Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Henry Saputra > wrote: > > I don't see any

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

The whole point of the ASF's archiving policy is to ensure these types of concerns can be examined objectively by others. With jira we have the ability to drill down in considerably more detail than we do trawling the email archives, but in either case any objective attempts to discover

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

I stand corrected. I now agree that kylin-1.1-incubating has a licensing issue. I must say, it did not help that KYLIN-999 was marked "fixed in 1.1" and the innocuous-looking KYLIN-1095 opened in its place. I think Kylin needs to have a clean release, with no licensing issues, before

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

+1 for doing v1.1.1 to avoid re-use release version. - Henry On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Julian Hyde wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Luke Han wrote: >> To >> keep things simple, the new release will continue mark as v1.1 since >> there's no

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, at 04:42 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

HI, Oddly in the 1.x-staging branch this has been done: https://github.com/apache/incubator-kylin/commit/4e483dacd45933da90a3941e01991814430c684f I guess I didn’t explain clearly enough how the issue should be addressed, I’ll add the info to the JIRA. Thanks, Justin

Re: Droids Podling Issue

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Henry Saputra wrote: > I don't see any response. > Shall IPMC start voting to move it to retirement? The voting has concluded. After this discussion thread, we ran a community vote; Thorsten voted there, and the vote passed. Then we ran

Re: Droids Podling Issue

Yeah, that would help. I somehow found the DISCUSS thread but missed the VOTE thread to retire the podlings. - Henry On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:28 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > I'll move them forward to retired in podlings.xml and start looking at > jenkins if that helps (for

Re: Droids Podling Issue

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:28 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > I'll move them forward to retired in podlings.xml and start looking at > jenkins if that helps (for both podlings) John, I really appreciate the offer to help, but I have ambitions to clean up the retirement guide and

Re: [VOTE] Accept Eagle into Apache Incubation

Follow up announcement, the Apache Eagle incubating mailing lists are now available: • d...@eagle.incubator.apache.org (subscribe by sending email to dev-subscr...@eagle.incubator.apache.org) • comm...@eagle.incubator.apache.org (subscribe by sending email to

Re: Wave - download page links to nightly builds etc

On 3 November 2015 at 15:38, Ali Lown wrote: > Hi Sebb, > > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. > > I have updated the downloads page removing the link to the RC, and > clarifying the differences of the available download options: 1) no > official releases, get RC from

Re: Droids Podling Issue

I don't see any response. Shall IPMC start voting to move it to retirement? - Henry On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > Thorsten, any commentary? > > Marvin Humphrey > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Richard Frovarp

Wiki access for MariiaMykhailova

Hi, Could I please get access to wiki for "MariiaMykhailova"? I want to add REEF report to https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2015 -Mariia

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

I still consider that hearsay evidence. If you bother to actually look at their Jira you will see the vast majority of tickets opened in the past month remain open. I've spent an hour or so myself investigating this in some detail and turned up nothing- I invite you and others to do the same.

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

Look at what we don't see- signs of dysfunction. Even with this thread, with serious consequences for the podling, nobody is behaving in a territorial or defensive way about the project. The feedback has been very reasonable, respectful of Joe's concerns, and direct. I have a strong suspicion

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Hi, The 1.x-staging branch is main development one for latest code base, and the master branch is latest stable one which may delayed merge from the development one, refer to the doc [1]: ** master: always point to the latest stable release (stable, but not up to date)* The

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

HI, > I’d like to clarify one thing. I believe that the licensing issue [1] was > fixed in release 1.1-incubating. It occurred and was fixed in an older release but then occurred again in the last incubating release and hasn’t been fixed yet. The old JIRA [1] was marks as resolved without

Re: Droids Podling Issue

Ah, I am sorry I think I may have missed that VOTE thread =( Thanks for the update, Marvin. - Henry On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Henry Saputra wrote: >> I don't see any response. >>

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

The point I'm making about project dysfunction is something I've learned to expect from projects that are using inappropriate means to control the project. Any time you challenge their means of control, the response you get will indicate whether or not you are barking up the wrong tree. The

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Luke Han wrote: > To > keep things simple, the new release will continue mark as v1.1 since > there's no much code changes. The release will have a significant difference in content. Giving a distinct release an identical release number will not

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Make sense, v1.1.1 is good one. Will kickoff soon. Thanks. Best Regards! - Luke Han On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Luke Han wrote: > > To > > keep things simple, the new release

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Good catch, thanks for clarifying. On Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Julian Hyde wrote: > I’d like to clarify one thing. I believe that the licensing issue [1] was > fixed in release 1.1-incubating. > > Issues were raised during the 1.1 release vote, and the vote may have had >

Re: Wiki access for MariiaMykhailova

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Mariia Mykhailova wrote: > Could I please get access to wiki for "MariiaMykhailova"? Done. > I want to add REEF report to https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2015 Great! Marvin Humphrey

Re: Droids Podling Issue

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:32 PM Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:28 PM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > I'll move them forward to retired in podlings.xml and start looking at > > jenkins if that helps (for both podlings) > > John, I

Re: [VOTE] Accept Eagle into Apache Incubation

Thanks Henry very much. That is nice we got those mail lists so we can communicate with community well. Thanks Edward Zhang On 11/3/15, 16:46, "Henry Saputra" wrote: >Follow up announcement, the Apache Eagle incubating mailing lists are >now available: > >€

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Nov 3, 2015 11:34 AM, "Joe Schaefer" wrote: > > David, > > The problem with Rich's commentary is that we don't have any solid evidence > to that effect. Certainly not on a systematic level. > All I see is a lot of responsiveness from the team about repair-oriented >

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

The only thing I might recommend of the podling is to try to leave low-hanging fruit in jira unpatched for a longer period of time to allow outside contributors the ability to participate. Coupled with identifying these tickets on the mailing list, that might lead to more outside contributions.

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:54 PM Julian Hyde wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Luke Han wrote: > > To > > keep things simple, the new release will continue mark as v1.1 since > > there's no much code changes. > > The release will have a significant

Re: wiki access for "LeiChang"

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Lei Chang wrote: > Hi, do we have any updates on this. Sorry for resending this. I need to put > the Nov report in Nov 4. Thanks. Hi, this was handled almost immediately last night.

Re: wiki access for "LeiChang"

Cool. Thanks for the quick response. Marvin, it works now! Cheers Lei On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Lei Chang wrote: > > > > Thanks Marvin. :-) > > > > After I tried "LeiChang" to

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

I will just note that I disagree with adding bureaucracy like this. We already require podlings to submit reports as frequently as monthly. (Geode somehow had to report monthly for no discernible reason.) This further adds to the burden on being a mentor - probably to something like being a

Re: Access to Wiki

Thanks! On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:37 AM, sebb wrote: > Done > > On 3 November 2015 at 06:26, Thomas Weise wrote: > > I would like to update the status report for the Apex project. > > > > Can you please give access to the following user: ThomasWeise > > > >

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

Sorry for the tardy response, I am mostly on the road for this week and have limited time and access to emails. Some comments below. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > If that was your meaning, I do apologize for misinterpreting what you > said. I do

Re: wiki access for "LeiChang"

Hi, do we have any updates on this. Sorry for resending this. I need to put the Nov report in Nov 4. Thanks. Cheers Lei On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Lei Chang wrote: > Hi, > > Could "LeiChang" be granted access to write to the incubator wiki? > > I am working on

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Anyway, removed such reference in Kylin's code, there's no more Google Fonts or Adobe Fonts now. Please help to check: https://github.com/apache/incubator-kylin/commit/a2fa3e8e93765bf3db39f5da935aca3a588789f1 Thanks. Best Regards! - Luke Han On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:56

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

Thanks Ted for pointing this out. The question is "[are you] vouching that all of Sentry's development is > happening in the open and Sentry development decisions are not being taken > offlist?" Yes, to the best of my knowledge, that is the case. Regards, Arvind Prabhakar On Tue, Nov 3, 2015

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

That's a good way to fix it. Do you merge your release branches back to master/next develop? On Nov 3, 2015 22:04, "Luke Han" wrote: > Anyway, removed such reference in Kylin's code, there's no more Google > Fonts or Adobe Fonts now. > > Please help to check: > >

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

The merge will happen after release, but we could apply this patch first if community has concern about this. Thanks. Regards! Luke Han On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:57 PM -0800, "John D. Ament" wrote: That's a good way to fix it. Do you merge your release

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

One more question: There's one line in AdminLTE (under MIT license) [1]: *@import url(https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Source+Sans+Pro:300,400,600,700,300italic,400italic,600italic ); *

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: > > > > Just to be clear - you're > > vouching that all of Sentry's development is happening in the open, and > > Sentry development decisions are not being taken offlist? > > > > > > Yes, in my best judgement, I feel

Re: wiki access for "LeiChang"

Thanks Marvin. :-) After I tried "LeiChang" to login, it still reports Invalid username or password. Different Apache Wikis can have different user sets. And after I reset my password with my email "chang.lei...@gmail.com", the system give me an email says user name as "Lei Chang" (NOTE there is

Resigning from Apache Geode mentor

As part of supporting the mentors engagement to codlings to give more attentive help and mentoring, I have decided to resign from being Apache Geode mentor. I will update the podlings.xml file and Geode incubation page to reflect this change. Thanks, Henry

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

There's information about attribution from google fonts. https://www.google.com/fonts/attribution The referenced font is SIL OFL 1.1 http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi=OFL You're not technically bundling the font, but referencing it via URL. It's a good question for

Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator

Hi, > The referenced font is SIL OFL 1.1 > http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi=OFL > > You're not technically bundling the font, but referencing it via URL. It's > a good question for legal. The fonts are actually being bundled as well. [1] It just not obvious from their

Re: wiki access for "LeiChang"

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Lei Chang wrote: > > Thanks Marvin. :-) > > After I tried "LeiChang" to login, it still reports Invalid username or > password. Different Apache Wikis can have different user sets. > > And after I reset my password with my email

Re: [VOTE] Apache Wave Release 0.4.0-incubating (RC10)

Hi, +1 binding. Could you please fix the LICENCE Appendix in the next release. The text should be "Copyright [] [name of copyright owner]” not "Copyright 2013 The Apache Software Foundation”. I checked: - artefact has incubating in name - signatures and hashes good - DISCLAIMER exists -

Re: Access to Wiki

Done On 3 November 2015 at 06:26, Thomas Weise wrote: > I would like to update the status report for the Apex project. > > Can you please give access to the following user: ThomasWeise > > Thanks! - To

New Podling Website

What's the recommended technology to use to build a new podling website ? In the past I have used CMS, but I have seen recent discussions that CMS might be getting deprecated... I was wondering if there is something around Markdown, or should I just go for pure HTML ? Also, I would like to setup

Re: New Podling Website

Jekyll is a awesome tool, easy to use with Markdown supported and static HTML will be generated for the final website... Recommend to try it and feel free to check our how to guide as a reference: http://kylin.incubator.apache.org/development/howto_docs.html Thanks. Luke Best Regards!

[VOTE] Apache Wave Release 0.4.0-incubating (RC10)

Hi, Wave has just completed its first passing vote, and would like to make its first release since joining the incubator in 2010. The Wave PPMC has voted in favour with 6 binding votes, and 4 non-binding votes from the community. PPMC vote call:

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > On 11/02/2015 09:50 AM, David Jencks wrote: >> I haven’t looked at what they are doing and don’t expect I will. However, >> I’m assuming that jira changes all get to the dev list, as in all other >> projects I’ve

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015, at 06:15 PM, Upayavira wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015, at 08:28 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > On 11/02/2015 01:09 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > Joe, can we see some jira tickets that you find questionable? Hard to > > > tell > > > what the problem is just by scanning the email

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

David, The problem with Rich's commentary is that we don't have any solid evidence to that effect. Certainly not on a systematic level. All I see is a lot of responsiveness from the team about repair-oriented tickets, or some mundane task like updating dependencies. I don't find credible

Re: CommonsRDF petering out

On 03/11/2015 01:08, "Ted Dunning" wrote: >Looking at the email archives just now, it looks to me like commons RDF is >finding it difficult to build a community and maintain any serious >momentum. Seeing only a few emails or commits for months on end raises >red >flags to