Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Upayavira
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013, at 01:56 AM, Chris Douglas wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Your position is that the IPMC fails to supervise. The consensus of the IPMC is that this is not true. Otherwise, someone would be reading the monthly

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Benson Margulies
To summarise. The incubator *is* broken (but not necessarily beyond repair). We need as many mentors as we can get, and a smaller group of people who are delegated responsibility for the incubator. The board wants a group of folks to take responsibility for overseeing the early life of

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Benson, -Original Message- From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:02 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ...Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22 nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137 TLPs?... It's not. Well, maybe it is, but up to a point. The good thing

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: We need one set who are 'incubator people' and another who are 'mentors'. Disenfranchising mentors and hoarding power within a small circle of IPMC aristocrats is both unworkable and hypocritical. * It is unworkable because

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013, at 07:12 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: We need one set who are 'incubator people' and another who are 'mentors'. Disenfranchising mentors and hoarding power within a small circle of IPMC aristocrats is

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: The Incubator has two acute, serious problems. 1. First releases are too hard. No surprise. This is incredible hard to read:

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22 nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137 TLPs? Because they are not watching with the same manner. They are delegating a

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Ross, -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 5:20 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard a few people say they just want to mentor, without the rules discussion crap (see ml). Thats perfectly OK. But what do we need them on the IPMC? One of the chief responsibilities for a Mentor is