Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
The status page template includes a bullet item that states, in part:
check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not already
trademarked for an existing software product
How do we go about this? The CSC web site wants me
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Gurkan Erdogdu
This is the vote result for the OpenWebBeans proposal;
* Matt Hogstrom +1 (binding)
* Martijn Dashorst +1 (binding)
* Niclas Hedhman +1 (binding)
* Kevan Miller+1 (binding-mentor)
* Niall Pemberton +1
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
...
You need to do the Acceptance steps. I added you to the
Reporting Schedule a while ago. The next step is to
add your Status page. There are links to the relevant
docs about that at the second paragraph of
http://incubator.apache.org
Grant Ingersoll wrote:
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
like pointed out in the other mail the next things for droids is to
move
svn, move the issues and setup the mailing lists.
I reckon I will need to write to infrastructure to ask for help,
right?
Regarding the svn move I would like to
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
...I developed a tool called clutch. Below are some notes
from its generated web page
Just ran clutch to process the Pig graduation changes, inconsistencies
between [1] and [2] were detected correctly, everything looks good
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...Just ran clutch to process the Pig graduation changes, inconsistencies
between [1] and [2] were detected correctly, everything looks good.
There is something wrong there. Clutch should not
fail like
David Crossley wrote:
See patch at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-93
to clarify the acceptance phase of new podlings
because the process depends on who is Sponsor.
The gist of it is:
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In Incubation_Policy.xml ...
* Add sentence to distinguish between IPMC being
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I applied your patch, thanks.
According to
http://incubator.apache.org
David Crossley wrote:
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
BTW I don't think there's a link to clutch.html on the incubator website.
Yeah, i haven't yet figured out which section of the
left-hand menu to put it.
I am inclined towards Podling Guides section just above
the Graduation item, rather
David Crossley wrote:
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
Really cool, useful and in one word: wow.
Additional features could be
* to scan the svn logs for to see if there's any activity (last week,
last month, ever), and by how many different committers
* to scan the dev@ list archives
Upayavira wrote:
This page says that podlings are in month1/2/3 for reports. Would it be
possible to show on the page what months each of these relate to? That
would really help checking reports for a specific month.
Done now.
Otherwise, a real blimey page, really useful. Thanks!
Thanks for
David Crossley wrote:
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Data files are also generated so that other tools can easily
re-use the metadata for the set of projects currently in incubation.
* clutch.txt - list of project names, one per line.
* Structured list
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
Really nice David. I went through VCL and Olio and the info is spot
on. Thanks!
Good, glad that it is useful. Thanks for that verification.
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I recently found that some new projects get a little
lost at the acceptance phase. Also we have a large
number of projects in Incubation (36) which is becoming
difficult to keep in touch. We need to be able to see
at a glance the status of the set of podlings.
I developed a tool called clutch.
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Unreliable report schedule and list
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
Really cool, useful and in one word: wow.
Additional features could be
* to scan the svn logs for to see if there's any activity (last week,
last month, ever), and by how many different committers
* to scan the dev@ list archives to see if there's any activity
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Data files are also generated so that other tools can easily
re-use the metadata for the set of projects currently in incubation.
* clutch.txt - list of project names, one per line.
* Structured list of various details. Not yet
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Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings
See patch at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-93
to clarify the acceptance phase of new podlings
because the process depends on who is Sponsor.
The gist of it is:
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In Incubation_Policy.xml ...
* Add sentence to distinguish between IPMC being the sponsor or a TLP.
* Move
David Crossley wrote:
Please vote on accepting these documentation changes.
+1
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Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
I wonder the voting is stopped in this time or how will the process continue?
We are not voting yet. This is just the early proposal stage.
As the proposer, you will need to be familiar with the steps
of the process. See docs at http://incubator.apache.org/
By the way,
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Attachment: INCUBATOR-93.txt
See the attached patch:
In Incubation_Policy.xml ...
* Add
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Thanks, patch applied. This should not have waited, AFAIK you could have
BlueSky, Empire-DB, Lucene.Net, Qpid, Thrift are missing
their reports this month.
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/October2008
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule
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Summary: Incubation_Policy.html#Acceptance+By+Incubator needs
clarification: process
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The main reference is:
http
Craig L Russell wrote:
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
Thanks Bill. Following the bouncing ball from our documentation
(http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html ):
i.e.
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html#Acceptance
*If that vote is affirmative,
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
In total there were 9 +1 votes cast.
7 Binding +1's and 2 non-binding.
Binding votes were:
Alan Cabrera
Bertrand Delacretaz
Matt Hogstrom
Kevan Miller
Matthieu Riou
Craig Russell
Henning Schmiedehausen
Emmanuel Lecharny
Roland Weber
Can the PMC ACK this
David Crossley wrote:
[snip]
It seems that the process to get new projects started
needs to be improved.
The current list of things to do is at:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#bootstrap
I suggest to move item 7 Add podling to reporting schedule
up to the top of the list
David Crossley wrote:
Today i wanted a list of all projects that are
currently in incubation. However that is not easy.
The two main places are:
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
[2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule
However some podlings are missing from both
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
[snip]
I liked the way you put the question; it's not up to incubator project to
set the rules for Maven. If the maven PMC decides that these incubator
releases don't belong in the primary repository
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
The bigger problem is that you appear to be arguing against solving the
problem rather than offering solutions, and I recall some have suggested
that this thread should die already. Maybe time to take this to maven
where it belongs?
I reckon that it is beyond
: Incubator
Issue Type: Bug
Components: policy
Reporter: David Crossley
This section details the next step after a successful acceptance vote. It
involves a special message to general@ and acknowledgment from IPMC and 72
hours wait. It seems that this is not being
Janne Jalkanen wrote:
So you assume that that www.apache.org can not be hacked? What if a
signing key *IS* in KEYS but not signed by anyone (because the
developer
has never attended an Apache key signing event)?
Which reminds me - if one does not attend an Apache key signing event
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Jukka Zitting wrote:
[snip]
Are incubating releases official releases of the ASF?
Yes. Otherwise they must be removed from ASF servers.
There's no middle ground.
[snip]
How strong disclaimers are needed and what level of explicit
acknowledgement
Luciano Resende wrote:
Please go ahead and submit CLA's and CCLA's.
Also, work with your mentors and create the necessary JIRAs to create
the new podling infrastructure resources. See some examples in [1]
Also, item 7 is very important, but looks like Etch is already in the
schedule [2]
Today i wanted a list of all projects that are
currently in incubation. However that is not easy.
The two main places are:
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
[2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule
However some podlings are missing from both lists.
I reviewed the general@
I noticed that the apache.org/dist/incubator distribution area
had no header file to explain itself. Hence each mirror was
missing that information.
I created it now, modelling it on other ASF distribution areas.
This now has the disclaimer from
Chris Chabot wrote:
A shindig developer just reported to us that he couldn't do a svn checkout
of http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/shindig/trunk/
When i try to svn update my self i get the same result:
$ svn update
svn: PROPFIND request failed on
David Crossley wrote:
Chris Chabot wrote:
Should we file a ticket or is this being looked at already?
No to the first, and yes probably to the second question.
If ever yopu suspect system trouble (mail, svn, etc.)
then check here first.
http://apache.org/dev/#status
Public Host
Edward J. Yoon wrote:
How to count the number of the mailing list subscriber? Is there some
UI based application that shows count?
Any committer can send email to a specific email address.
That is another service provided by Ken Coar.
See the committer resources list which is referred to in
Craig L Russell wrote:
Actually, the list is just a bit out of date with regard to the list
on committers/board/committee-info.txt. I believe that the list on
the web site is not the authority, but the file that all committers
have access to is authoritative.
I'll update it shortly,
Thilo Goetz wrote:
While I found good information on release signing on various Apache
pages, I did not find corresponding information for users on what to do
with the signature files. If anybody knows of such information, could
you let me know so I can link to it from our pages. If
Daniel Kulp wrote:
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Similarly, I'm seeing a number of files that show up with every
single line changed, when AFAICT all that should change is the
removal of a single line from the list of projects. What's up with
that?
Do you really want to hear my opinion
Henri Yandell wrote:
So how do we retire a project?
My checklist so far is:
* move Agila to the Retired section of the Incubator site,
* inform -dev/-user mailing lists (earlier than the rest)
* ask that the mailing lists be shutdown,
* update the wiki,
* update the website,
* move the
robert burrell donkin wrote:
missing license headers from some of the files i checked at random
gives me concerns. for example:
maven-bundle-plugin/src/main/java/org/apache/activemq/maven/BundleMojo.java
activemq-web-demo worries me: there are a lot of files without license
headers and
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
Hey *,
according to the Podling Website Requirements (see [1]), we created
a website like http://incubator.apache.org/podlingname/ (see [2]).
The source lives in our SVN. The result for the page is the mvn site
command (maven2). I hope
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
The use of e-mail as the primary means for communication is part of ASF
policy and philosophy, and we can certainly learn lessons from projects
that
have gone against it. IRC tends to breed a more closed, albeit arguably
more integrated,
Martin Cooper wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
The committer who is operator does a regular commit of
the logfile to our SVN. This keeps good track and allows
us to refer to the log during the meeting. It could
also enable people not on IRC to still be involved
because they could reply
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new
committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin
thanks justin.
snip
After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the
PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
Incubator web site navigation no longer has a learn category with
links to these pages:
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/mailing-lists.html
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
Count me in as a remote hackathon participant (I won't be going to Dublin).
Yep, if there is a way that i can help remotely, then i will.
-David
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William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Toback, Steve wrote:
As far as I can tell, we have our paperwork in, name chosen, and proposal
accepted. Is there anything else we need at this point in order to get our
space as a podling and begin growing our community?
Not alot you can do but thank you for
Andrew Clark wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Assuming the project has been accepted for Incubation,
you need the project status report before any
infrastructure stuff will happen.
Done. I added the projects/kabuki.xml file, re-generated
the site and updated the public web.
Who has
An interesting slip-up. The ASF document that you
refer to is out-of-date. There was a recent discussion
on this [EMAIL PROTECTED] list about the practice of
doing personal stuff on the private pmc mailing list.
We need to fix the docs.
-David
Ted Leung wrote:
Nuts. This obviously went to the
Hiram Chirino wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Why are you being so negative? Let's try to make it work. If it does
not then we decide what do next as a PPMC.
I did not know that technical decisions were the responsibilities of
the PMC/PPMC. Could you explain further?
See
David Blevins wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
David,
The mentors should have karma to setup the status file. At least
one of
them has karma to the SVN access control lists. Do we have all of
the CLAs
and a Software Grant?
Ok. I made nearly all the OpenEJB committers sign CLAs
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Should be fixed now.
How often does the site update?
I notice it happens very quickly (a matter of a minute, if even that)
these days after you do the 'svn up' on people.apache.org.
Dain, i noticed that you only updated the source.
You
Would somebody from the project please fix the status report.
It seems that you have used a copy of an old generated
website document rather than the source template.
-David
David Crossley wrote:
Please follow the instructions at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html
You have
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Should be fixed now.
How often does the site update?
I notice it happens very quickly (a matter of a minute, if even that)
these days after you do the 'svn up' on people.apache.org.
Dain
Andrew Clark wrote:
At the beginning of the week I opened INFRA-714[1] and 715[2]
to create the necessary mailing lists and source repository
for the new Kabuki incubator project. (Is this the right
thing to be doing?) Anyway, they are still unassigned so I
thought I'd ask if there's anyone
Please follow the instructions at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html
You have used an old html source format for
the xmlbeanscxx status report.
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Jean T. Anderson wrote:
I added a table of contents to
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html, but the
links to anchors within the same page don't work. Same problem occurs
in another page: the last sentence of
http://incubator.apache.org/howtoparticipate.html also has
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Hooray, i fixed it. We were using a 1.5-dev version of
Velocity. Now back to the 1.4 release version.
Whoa. The problem was velocity 1.5?
I just needed to move forward and the 1.4 -based setup
worked, so i used it and dumped your -dev
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
There seem to be DOS end-of-line markers only for text
lines within p and li elements, etc.
This must be fixed because cannot do 'svn add' with such
a mess.
No idea where they come from. The xdocs2
Martin Sebor wrote:
I'm a little distressed to see the conversion process has messed
up the formatting of the original HTML that I manually maintained
for readability. Specifically, many of the terminating tags (such
as /p) are not indented as they ought to be and instead are in
column 1. I
David Crossley wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
There seem to be DOS end-of-line markers only for text
lines within p and li elements, etc.
This must be fixed because cannot do 'svn add' with such
a mess.
No idea where
David Crossley wrote:
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
One curious side note: I notice on linux that the generated project file
has a mix of \n and \r \n line endings. Do you see the same? --It isn't
in the source xml, so isn't a side effect of your conversion.
Hmmm, yes i do. There seem
David Crossley wrote:
If anyone has any outstanding changes to project status reports
or to the main docs, then please commit those changes.
The conversion process will be commenced on Tuesday GMT.
Please speak up if you need us to hold-off for a while.
Okay, the conversion is finished
If anyone has any outstanding changes to project status reports
or to the main docs, then please commit those changes.
The conversion process will be commenced on Tuesday GMT.
Please speak up if you need us to hold-off for a while.
-David
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2
It would be good if some other people can look
over the new source docs and the Anakia side of things.
The more that we can get the forrest export to do
the better
David Crossley wrote:
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4) Fix some things in site-author
At the moment these are not being processed by forrest
because they are not linked into the site.
jcms.html exists only in site-publish/projects
i.e. no matching source in site-author/projects
Doing some email
Gav wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
| With the docs that come from *.html source,
| some of these have un-necessary br elements
| inside td elements. The Anakia stylesheet
| seems to choke on these. The important effect
| is those table cells are not displayed.
| For example, see
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
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2) Refine the stylesheet
site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl
Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle
more than two levels of subsection.
This can be fixed later.
Youch, the stylesheet is producing hard-coded
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
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2) Refine the stylesheet
site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl
Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle
more than two levels of subsection.
This can be fixed later.
Youch
David Crossley wrote:
It is time to make a plan for the move to Anakia.
We cannot afford for it to drag on any longer.
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1) Review the generated source documents in site/xdocs2
Did the transformation perform okay?
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk
David Crossley wrote:
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2) Refine the stylesheet
site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl
Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle
more than two levels of subsection.
This can be fixed later.
Youch, the stylesheet is producing hard-coded
html style attributes
David Crossley wrote:
I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2
It would be good if some other people can look
over the new source docs and the Anakia side of things.
The more that we can get the forrest export to do
the better.
However we need to trade that off with getting
David N. Welton wrote:
[ changed subject to discuss topic more abstractly ]
I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit
when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under
incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by
Apache.
It is time to make a plan for the move to Anakia.
We cannot afford for it to drag on any longer.
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1) Review the generated source documents in site/xdocs2
Did the transformation perform okay?
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site/README.txt
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Would all committers please configure your svn clients:
http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn
Otherwise we get mixed line-endings and unnecessary
commit diffs. Also this stops us getting diffs for
modified PDFs (there were no such files in this case).
Geir, this was your
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
This is great. I've been A-B testing with the example I put on ~geir
and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look better
but that's because a) I did them by hand and b) I ain't gonna admit I
was showed up by no fancy machine!
:-)
We can still do
Leo Simons wrote:
Dude,
David Crossley wrote:
Here is the result of my experiment ...
...
Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities.
+1. Amazing. Kudos to you and the other forrest peeps for turing complaints
into feature requests and implementing the right bits. I hope
Leo Simons wrote:
Nothing to do with the conversion...but noting these as I clicked around...
-- linkback to ASF is confusing right now
-- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/resolution.html
should probably point out how PMC roster and chair is different
today
David Crossley wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
-- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html
missing the questions!
Ah thanks, this is a big problem.
The converted xdocs have:
section
section
Whereas i think that Geir's Anakia template might be
expecting:
section
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
...
Can anyone see any other glitches in the conversion process?
The anchors forrest generates for page sections are lost, so anything
that references them don't work.
For example, close to the end of the Podling Constraints section
Gav wrote:
Apologies if I have it wrong here, as I am new to this particular list, but
does anyone
take any notice of the Jira Issues for Incubator site?
My patches and comments needed for me to provide more patches are only a few
days
old, I am used to quick turnaround of patches on
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
-- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html
missing the questions!
Ah thanks, this is a big problem.
The converted xdocs have:
section
section
Whereas i think that Geir's Anakia
David Crossley wrote:
I am investigating creating a Forrest output plugin
to do the complete conversion. If Geir or others
come up with another solution then fine, this will
still be a useful tool for Forrest.
Update: We now have a Forrest output plugin working to
generate Anakia xdocs
were all expecting for you to continue.
Like i said in another thread, don't wait for me
to provide a solution. Anyway i have fast-tracked
my work because the delays cannot be sustained.
Sounds cool, though.
Yes i am really pleased with the new Forrest ability.
-David
geir
David Crossley
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or
@)#!)#@ wiki, as I tend to think of them...)
Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to
also
Here is the result of my experiment ...
[1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/
The existing Incubator site was converted to
Anakia xdoc format. I used a local copy of Geir's
previous experiment [2] but with the forrest-generated
anakia xdocs.
We can tweak the Forrest plugin to
Responding to some issues that people have with the
layout of the current forrest-based website.
[1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-forrest/
If you want me to implement any of these immediately
then say so.
Get rid of PDF
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There was a PDF generated for every page.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
What's the status of moving the incubator site to Anakia? There seemed
to be strong preferences leaning that way up until a couple weeks ago.
Here's the last thread I spotted in the archive:
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Erik Abele wrote:
+1 - I don't know how to add this to the incubator-site myself (is
anakia now ready to use?) but I'd really like to see this somewhere
on incubator.a.o, e.g. http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html...
Not yet ready. Lack of staff:
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