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and I'm pretty sure the new chairman will be as good as they were !
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that, tell us why your project is awesome and why we'd want to
be involved.
If you don't find a more suitable champion, I'd be please to offer my
support.
There is defintively a need for some XACML related project at the ASF.
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Emmanuel and
Colm help us as Mentors.
I'll be pleased to be a mentor, and having Paul as a Champion seems the
perfect fit !
Waiting for the proposal now :-)
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that any podling have 3 mentors is just to mitigate
the risk that one of them is not fullfiling his duty.
Now, if we are to discuss the way incubator should be managed, then the
best is to start another thread.
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[X] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position.
(binding)
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have to update ?
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Modified:
incubator/public/trunk/site-publish/.htaccess
That won't last - you need to update the source file in site-author
and regenerate.
PING - the last site rebuild overwrote your change.
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[the other poms do chain back to the Apache pom]
Adding :
parent
groupIdorg.apache/groupId
artifactIdapache/artifactId
version10/version
relativePath /
/parent
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in our own NL files what the 3rd party
product requires us to include.
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, loud and clear...
There are separate rules for what 3rd party software ASF projects are
allowed to depend on.
Yep.
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If this is the second attempt, why is it called RC1 ?
Surely it should be called RC2 ?
Depends. As the first vote has been canceled, there was nothing like an
official RC1.
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use : we keep trying to
cut a release, with the same number, until we get it correct. At least,
that's my opinion, which may not be shared.
In any case, it should not be a blocker...
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too. Is this
not the case with Syncope?
Hmmm... Good question. I never voted against any web site on the various
projects I worked or mentored. Where does it come from ?
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could you name them ?
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having it as transitive lib or not.
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is the only way to go.
At least this is my interpretation on the various discussions we have
had in the ast two months while tryibg to cut a release on Syncope
(incubator) and SSHD (a MINA subproject).
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incubation, to make sure the peeps being STV
code *knows* about the Apache Way...
Or is this simple non-sense ?
My +1 to the TLP without going through incubation...
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Do not retire the project, because ...
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
WBR
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to catch in, but sadly, he now have no more time...
I don't think the projects members will be surprised if we shutdown the
project. I do agree, though, that we should have followed the procedure.
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. Makes sense then.
My perception is that the Syncope guys are trying to cut a 1.0.0,
instead of going through many 0.x.0 before, therefore they are iterating
on RC atm.
It's pretty much semantic, IMHO.
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Le 7/27/12 1:02 AM, Joe Schaefer a écrit :
I believe Bill is complaining not about the venue,
but the choice of referring to this package as
a release candidate instead of simply dropping
+1 votes' rule is universal.
However, having -1 would be a sign that something goes wrong. Either on
the community side, or on the voter side ;) Better try to see why a -1
(or many) have been casted before going for the release in such a case.
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a first release inside Apache would help. Branching may be a problem as
the code base will evolve in both projects, making it difficult to merge
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Le 15/12/14 19:22, Hal Lockhart a écrit :
The OpenAz Project currently has two mentors, but we need at least one more.
Is there anyone who would be willing to join us?
If we can be more than just 3 mentors, that would be extremelly cool !
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Le 22/03/15 11:04, Jochen Theodorou a écrit :
Am 22.03.2015 00:09, schrieb Marvin Humphrey:
[...]
Because release candidate and RC are specialized terms with
precise meaning at Apache and because we make a strong legal
distinction between released and unreleased code, this is
extremely
Le 22/03/15 00:09, Marvin Humphrey a écrit :
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
dsetrak...@apache.org wrote:
We wanted to have community to play with the RC3 release for a bit until we
release the final 1.0 release in a week or two.
Because release candidate and RC are
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Hi guys,
we can discuss for 3 more months, but at some point, isn't it time to
start a vote ?
We already have demonstrated our ability to raises various points on
various subjects, time to demonstrate The ASF in action !
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Le 11/03/15 21:20, Martijn Dashorst a écrit :
Great initiative!
Just one question: I don't see anything related to the groovy name and
possible trademark in the proposal. Does Pivotal have any claims to
the name groovy, and if so are those claims transferred to the ASF?
I think we have
Le 13/03/15 12:13, Jim Jagielski a écrit :
community. Forgive me presuming to say this but this seems a
contradiction with The Apache Way as written about. Also it is very
CVCS/Subversion focussed.
In a DVCS world, committers are just the gatekeepers of the central
mainline, the judges/jury
Le 12/03/15 18:59, Marvin Humphrey a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
It is my pleasure and privilege to open up the following
proposal:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GroovyProposal
I've read through the proposal (rev 17). It looks
Hi guys,
ok, the vote result is out, groovy has been accepted. I suppose the next steps
are :
- vote the 5 proposed persons as committers, once they have submitted
their ICLA (it's already done for a few of them)
- create groovy ML (dev, commits, users, private, ...)
- create the git repo
- push
Technically, I just added two moderators. We can add some more, I guess.
One more thing : in order to add initial committers, the pdofling must
be listed in https://id.apache.org/acreq/members/?. How do we add it ?
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Le 25/03/15 19:42, Jake Farrell a écrit :
podlings do not appear in the acreq script until they have been added to
podlings.xml, even if they file their ICLA with initial committer as part
of groovy.
It has been added in podlings.xml.
I'm currently fighting to get the groovy page to appears
Le 25/03/15 20:00, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
...Another question : who is in charge of all those tasks ?..
If you could create tickets like the
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8968 example that
I think we are going a bit too far here.
Groovy has been under the AL 2.0 license since it moves from BSD (back
in 2003). AL 2.0 says :
Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor
hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge,
royalty-free,
Le 26/03/15 14:43, Guillaume Laforge a écrit :
So, in summary, can we all agree that I (Groovy projet lead /
representative) can fill in the form, and say on behalf of the Groovy
community, I grant the rights to the ASF?
Jim said Just do it !...
Let's discuss about the legal aspect there, but
Le 26/03/15 01:01, Konstantin Boudnik a écrit :
I have just helped bootstrapping two podlings in the last a couple of months,
so I will add JIRAs to do the what needs to be done from the INFRA side of the
things.
Here is the Infra JIRA :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9338
As
Le 25/03/15 22:23, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny elecha...@gmail.com
wrote:
...I'm currently fighting to get the groovy page to appears in the
incubator web site, I'm not lucky atm.
I just published
http://incubator.apache.org/projects
Le 23/03/15 20:38, Guillaume Laforge a écrit :
We're already worrying about it enough, don't frighten us ;-)))
Mentors, get the whip out, they are ready ;-)
Congrats guys, this is the very first step, not the most interesting one !
Le 26/03/15 15:11, Upayavira a écrit :
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015, at 01:31 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote:
I think we are going a bit too far here.
Groovy has been under the AL 2.0 license since it moves from BSD (back
in 2003). AL 2.0 says :
Subject to the terms and conditions of this License
Le 19/03/15 07:55, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit :
Following the discussion earlier in the thread:
http://s.apache.org/KWE
I would like to call a VOTE for accepting Groovy
as a new incubator project.
The proposal is available at:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GroovyProposal
and is
Le 07/04/15 17:14, DRAGOSH, PAMELA L (PAM) a écrit :
Hi,
I just created the user account DragoshPamela, I need to be able to update
the April 2015 wiki for the OpenAz podling.
Thanks,
Pam
Hi Pam,
if you can't update the wiki (you just have to log in the wiki with the
user you created),
Le 25/06/15 09:21, Jochen Theodorou a écrit :
Am 24.06.2015 22:32, schrieb Emmanuel Lécharny:
Le 24/06/15 22:28, David Nalley a écrit :
[...]
More generally to the underlying issue that prompted this discussion:
With the concrete example of Geode's DockerHub presence, I don't think
it's
Le 24/06/15 22:28, David Nalley a écrit :
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
+1 (to this and Jochen's response)
Roman was explicit in his question about clearly identifiable non-release
artifacts available to the general public.
Le 24/06/15 14:04, Marvin Humphrey a écrit :
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
There is nothing preventing clearly identifiable non-release artifacts
available to the general public.
The Releases Policy page forbids it explicitly:
Le 24/06/15 19:21, Marvin Humphrey a écrit :
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
We can debate words on a page forever, or we can work with the intent and
get on with producing software.
Amen. So when's that Geode release coming?
Le 24/06/15 09:19, Rob Vesse a écrit :
Personally I think the policy should be clarified such that nightly
builds MUST only live on ASF infrastructure
Non sense. Nightly built can stay wherever is suitable. It's not The ASF
business anyway, The ASF does not endorse nighly build or non-release
Le 16/07/15 18:49, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit :
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny elecha...@gmail.com
wrote:
Le 16/07/15 10:41, Justin Mclean a écrit :
Hi,
This vote passes with 4 binding +1 votes, no 0 notes, and 2 -1
binding votes.
If you read carefully I think you find
Le 16/07/15 19:48, Daniel Gruno a écrit :
Can someone show me where in the bylaws this dreaded and apparently
mandatory 72+ hour window is?
When last I looked, it was the preferred thing to do in most
circumstances, it was not _MANDATED BY LAW_.
Nobody said that. However, I like it when a
Le 13/07/15 16:09, Cédric Champeau a écrit :
2015-07-13 16:03 GMT+02:00 Emmanuel Lécharny elecha...@gmail.com:
Le 13/07/15 13:48, Daniel Gruno a écrit :
Where is this documentation? If it is stated anywhere that
people.apache.org is an acceptable place for RCs, it is clearly wrong
and needs
Le 13/07/15 13:48, Daniel Gruno a écrit :
Where is this documentation? If it is stated anywhere that
people.apache.org is an acceptable place for RCs, it is clearly wrong
and needs fixing.
It's not written, it's a common usage for almost all of the projects,
AFAICT. It's good to know that it's
Hi,
my +1 (Binding), for the source package.
Addressing Justin's issues :
There *are* issues, but considering the security issue fixed in this
release, I'd rather have this version out.
- The build scripts are failing because there are Windows file (^M at
the end of ech line). Removing them
Le 16/07/15 10:41, Justin Mclean a écrit :
Hi,
This vote passes with 4 binding +1 votes, no 0 notes, and 2 -1
binding votes.
If you read carefully I think you find there were 3 -1 votes on the binary
releases.
True. I -1 the binary release. Interesting case : should we release if
we have
Le 16/07/15 20:43, Alex Harui a écrit :
IMO, what would really help would be a step-by-step guide to examining a
release for L N issues. Justin explained part of his technique in this
thread already. The person creating the release artifacts should have a
decent chance at finding these
Le 17/07/15 01:02, Justin Mclean a écrit :
Hi,
+1 ! And adding such a tool into rat or whatever would be extremely
helpful, too...
The “tools” I use generally make a bit of noise and require some
interpretation / filtering so I’m not sure they could be automated cleanly.
One thing rat
Le 17/07/15 09:21, Cédric Champeau a écrit :
Lets be clear, what I was referring to is this: the identified LN issue
is a non-code change that has no implication to the stability of your
release whatsoever. Hence manually fixing it, re-spinning the RC and
calling a shortened (12-24h) vote
Le 17/07/15 09:28, Cédric Champeau a écrit :
Thanks Justin. We had read that document, but even reading the binary
section, it wasn't clear that source and binary LN had to be
different.
Guiding Principle :
The |LICENSE| and |NOTICE| files must *exactly* represent the contents
of the
Le 17/07/15 12:02, Jochen Theodorou a écrit :
Am 17.07.2015 09:31, schrieb Emmanuel Lécharny:
[...]
Now, I'm a bit scared : why the hell can't we make it easier to cut a
release at Apache for this project ? I mean, the infrastructure should
not be a limitation here : we do have a CI, we most
Le 13/07/15 23:21, Justin Mclean a écrit :
Hi,
- LICENSE : I can't find the normalize.css file.
See:
./subprojects/groovy-docgenerator/src/main/resources/org/codehaus/groovy/tools/stylesheet.css
Le 29/10/15 02:43, Marvin Humphrey a écrit :
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> The incubation checklist looks good. The language of the graduation
>>>> resolution looks good, but one thing:
>
[X] +1 Graduate Apache Groovy from the Incubator.
Obviously !
Le 28/10/15 22:14, Marvin Humphrey a écrit :
>>
>> I lurked on the Groovy dev list for a while and they did great. The
>> community handled some pretty challenging licensing stuff well (stars
>> to Paul King for doing some heavy
2
> +1s
>> total, 5 are binding:
>>
>> Guillaume Laforge
>> Cédric Champeau
>> Paul King
>> Jochen Theodorou
>> Pascal Schumacher
>> Emmanuel Lécharny (binding)
>> Bertrand Delacretaz (binding)
>> Andrew Ba
Le 05/11/15 13:48, Joe Brockmeier a écrit :
> On 11/05/2015 03:13 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>> PMC membership has nothing to do with technical mastery of the codebase,
>>> which is why I cringe every time I see people talking about what "the bar"
>>> should be. It's about trust. If you trust
Le 18/10/15 10:48, Martijn Dashorst a écrit :
> -1 on requiring all projects to do this exercise. It is not policy,
> and frankly as a volunteer organization we can let the communities
> themselves determine whether this is something they want to spend
> their time on.
Well, I unerstand your
Le 15/10/15 11:46, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> FYI I have started an experiment at
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/MATURITY.adoc ,
> using our maturity model to evaluate Groovy before its mentors suggest
> its graduation (which should happen very
Le 15/10/15 13:49, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> ...I do think
>> that an audit of all the existing TLP should be done in the next month
>> to check if all the iterms are correc
Le 15/10/15 16:28, Filip Hanik a écrit :
> On Thursday, October 15, 2015, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Le 15/10/15 13:17, Rich Bowen a écrit :
>>> A huge +1, but I wonder about a few things. Who does the work?
>> I guess that each PMC
Le 12/10/15 13:18, Rich Bowen a écrit :
> Fellow mentors,
>
> There was a conversation at ApacheCon about the Incubator. I'll leave
> it to the other participants to champion the particular parts that
> they are passionate about, but I was particularly concerned with
> mentor disengagement, and
Le 11/10/15 17:59, Andrew Pennebaker a écrit :
> In the future, could Apache Incubator require projects to maintain better
> API documentation before graduation? In particular, Kafka has rather sparse
> documentation in v0.8. The Javadocs appear to be randomly hosted on this or
> that professor
Le 18/11/15 17:54, Ross Gardler a écrit :
> Summarizing:
>
> In a healthy project I believe that the only significant things that change
> between CTR and RTC are:
>
> 1) speed of commit (CTR is faster)
> 2) quality of master, not releases (RTC catches most issues before commit,
> CTR shortly
Le 01/09/15 18:15, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
> jan i wrote:
>> Your concern is valid for all countries in EU. except if a country has a
>> exception. the default in the IT industry is that the employer
>> need to allow you to do similar work off hours ...
>> in any case copyright belong to the
Le 01/09/15 16:36, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...is a code donation require a software grant signed from the employer of
>> the people who wrote the code ? In
Hi guys,
is a code donation require a software grant signed from the employer of
the people who wrote the code ? In other words, do we require that the
employer explicitely allow the employees to work on some code ?
M understanding is that it's required, and the employer must sign the
grant and
Le 01/09/15 16:55, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...typically, the copyright might be claimed by
>> the employer, as if the code was written during day job, which then may
>&g
Le 01/09/15 16:55, jan i a écrit :
> On 1 September 2015 at 16:44, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le 01/09/15 16:36, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...
Le 23/09/15 08:45, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Henry Saputra
> wrote:
>> ...you should not worry too much about having the project to be in
>> incubator forever...
> That's assuming the community grows.
>
>
Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a écrit :
> I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss the 72h
> lazy consensus voting (with an assumed +1 absence any votes cast) that most
> CTR projects operate under... and thus it can also be very easy to miss the
> fact that there
Le 18/11/15 08:12, Todd Lipcon a écrit :
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Except that there seems to be great disagreement among the Members as to
>>> whether RTC is somehow anti-Apache-Way.
>>>
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Le 18/11/15 14:34, Stephen Connolly a écrit :
> On Wednesday 18 November 2015, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Le 18/11/15 11:31, Stephen Connolly a écrit :
>>> I believe the issue here is that with CTR it is very easy to miss the
Le 18/11/15 03:06, Todd Lipcon a écrit :
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
>
>> On the contrary... The business of the Incubator and IPMC is to help
>> podlings
>> and their communities to grok and follow the Apache Way. Trust is a
>> foundation
>>
Hi !
Despite an effort to reboot the project in april, we weren't successful
in keeping the existing committers active. At this point, a decision to
retire the podling was taken, and a vote was don eon the PPMC :
Le 25/09/16 à 05:22, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit :
> It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
> contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
And this is the reason you have mentors and a champion. Follow their
advices, you'll be fine (because if
Le 26/09/16 à 07:32, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit :
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>
>> But if you are thinking 100 people, I'd try to get it down to 40-ish.
>
> Seems like a very random number. In the case of NetBeans, that would mean
> we'd have few others on the list than
Le 24/09/16 à 15:18, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit :
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
>
>> Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the
>> community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a
>> key point of self-governance is
Le 24/09/16 à 01:25, Roman Shaposhnik a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>> Hi Wade,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler
>> wrote:
>>> ..I can say as a long time contributor who is not on
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