Re: OOo Monetary Donations
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org Community Council (CC) until 2010 and also Chair of Team OpenOffice.org e.V. We founded Team OpenOffice.org e.V. in 2003 to serve for the items described for the items below. All the funds coming in was agreed to spend under the guidelines of the CC (see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets ). Until September 2010 the CC represents the OpenOffce.org community until the TDF initiative started. Since the remaining CC was preparing the restart of the Community the surprising move of Oracle happened and Team OpenOffice.org in behalf of the CC also applied for driving OpenOffice.org. Some of you might also remember the Team OOo was also the initial holder of the OpenOffice.org trademark in the US. Please understand that we are also got surprised by the announcement last Wednesday and we are currently preparing our point of view in this matter. Generally speaking we are still committed to work with all related parties to initiate and continue the collaborative work on offering our users a stable and useful product. I think the decision to move the project from a one main sponsor thing to a non-profit entity is a good one. Now we are all called to make the best of it, Hope not to initiate another round of intense emails. But my burning question is: why the silence period? There were a lot of things to move forward in but Team OOo never really got a recognition on the lists or any stance on many of the discussions on the Marketing lists, and other direction list. I remember raising some concerns about that back in November but got attacked for even daring to ask, so I didn't insist on questioning Team OOo position in the matter. Also fellow contributors have been asking for Team OOo about cerrtain donation schees that didn't reach their initial goals. Martin On 06/08/2011 11:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hi Simon, Am 09.06.2011 00:14, schrieb Simon Phipps: Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just its a possibility. Doesn't one of those already exist? I know, you referre to FroDeV here - but in fact many of such entities exist. E.g. TeamOOo (the primary association for funds handling at the OOo project), PLIO in Italy, there are associations France, afaik in Japan and other countries as well to support the OpenOffice.org Community. Not counted the many associations that have ODF focus. Regarding FrODev - Florian mentioned this every now and then - it is the interim entity to handle donations and legal assets for TDF. The association has been established the German Community around OOo (now we speak about supporting Free Office Suites in Germany) - and for several reasons we like (and have) to keep it that way. regards, André - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hi Martin...welcome. Nice to see you post here. Danese On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org Community Council (CC) until 2010 and also Chair of Team OpenOffice.org e.V.
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
On 06/09/2011 08:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org Community Council (CC) until 2010 and also Chair of Team OpenOffice.org e.V. We founded Team OpenOffice.org e.V. in 2003 to serve for the items described for the items below. All the funds coming in was agreed to spend under the guidelines of the CC (see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets ). Until September 2010 the CC represents the OpenOffce.org community until the TDF initiative started. Since the remaining CC was preparing the restart of the Community the surprising move of Oracle happened and Team OpenOffice.org in behalf of the CC also applied for driving OpenOffice.org. Some of you might also remember the Team OOo was also the initial holder of the OpenOffice.org trademark in the US. Please understand that we are also got surprised by the announcement last Wednesday and we are currently preparing our point of view in this matter. Generally speaking we are still committed to work with all related parties to initiate and continue the collaborative work on offering our users a stable and useful product. I think the decision to move the project from a one main sponsor thing to a non-profit entity is a good one. Now we are all called to make the best of it, Hope not to initiate another round of intense emails. But my burning question is: why the silence period? There were a lot of things to move forward in but Team OOo never really got a recognition on the lists or any stance on many of the discussions on the Marketing lists, and other direction list. The role of Team OpenOffice.org in the past was just to be the cash box of the CC and let the CC do the work and be the voice. I remember raising some concerns about that back in November but got attacked for even daring to ask, so I didn't insist on questioning Team OOo position in the matter. Also fellow contributors have been asking for Team OOo about cerrtain donation schees that didn't reach their initial goals. As said above, not the problem of the Team OOo but of the CC. The plan was to let settle down the dust of the TDF move and re-initiate the CC. Now the playing field changed again and it becomes quite obvious that not only re-elections of the CC are required but also a re-write of it's charter. But we are also hearing the voices for asking Team OOo play a more central role, e.g. being the link between developers and customers and professionals. This is something which was terribly missed since years. Martin Martin On 06/08/2011 11:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Good morning, as most of the discussion happened when I slept, I will give a summarizinig answer from the top. (With unusally top-posting against the netiquette) There are two associations (german: eingetragener Verein abbrev. e.V.) - Team OpenOffice.org e.V., based in Hamburg. The members are Sun/Oracle employees and it is handling the marketing budget for the international Openoffice.org marketing. (IBM has already been mentioned as a donator). They fund travel, T-Shirts, Posters, booth fees and so on. (Donations from the mentioned page go to them) - Freies Office Deutchland e.V. (abbrev. FrODeV), whose name was OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. up to spring of this year, based in Wiesbaden. Members are individuals and companies merely from Germany. The association has promoted all around OpenOffice.org in Germany since years by funding as aboven and by organizing own events as a congress for Business and Administration beside community events for QA and general project work. It is also promoting LibreOffice now, therefore the name has been changed. Donators can tell if the donation should be spent for a specific project. Until the TDF is legally founded it is the legal basis for TDF, being contractor for webhosting, lawsuits etc. Volker 2011/6/8 Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hi, Andy Brown wrote on 2011-06-09 01.42: It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . as a German approved, charitable/non-profit organization, we are bound to the subject of use for donations we receive. That means, if someone explicitly donates for OpenOffice.org or for LibreOffice, money will be used exclusively for this purpose. You could, e.g., also donate to a specific project we set-up (like developing XYZ component), then the donation would have to be used exclusively for that. The change of our name reflects we are supporting not only OOo or LibO, but all free office suites. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hello everyone, 2011/6/9 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hi, Andy Brown wrote on 2011-06-09 01.42: It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . as a German approved, charitable/non-profit organization, we are bound to the subject of use for donations we receive. That means, if someone explicitly donates for OpenOffice.org or for LibreOffice, money will be used exclusively for this purpose. You could, e.g., also donate to a specific project we set-up (like developing XYZ component), then the donation would have to be used exclusively for that. The change of our name reflects we are supporting not only OOo or LibO, but all free office suites. So to summarize: - TeamOOo e.V: Association of the Hamburg engineers (primarily) --- OOo - FroDe.V, formerly OOoDe.V: users/community association in Germany channelling funds under two separate accounts for LibreOffice and OpenOffice, and also acting as the intermediary legal entity on behalf of TDF. I hope everything's a bit clearer. Best, Charles. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-09 10.28: - TeamOOo e.V: Association of the Hamburg engineers (primarily) --- OOo - FroDe.V, formerly OOoDe.V: users/community association in Germany channelling funds under two separate accounts for LibreOffice and OpenOffice, and also acting as the intermediary legal entity on behalf of TDF. exactly. Maybe two things to add (and Martin, feel free to correct me): TeamOOo: donations are not tax-deductible, as not approved as not-for-profit, but thus more flexible in handling money spending outside of Germany. FrODeV: donations are tax-deductible, we are approved as not-for-profit and as especially meritorius (besonders förderungswürdig), but thus a bit more limited in spending outside of Germany. NB: every association can decide if they want to run for it or not, so it is *not* a governmental judgement. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hi, On 06/09/2011 10:32 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: [...] Maybe two things to add (and Martin, feel free to correct me): TeamOOo: donations are not tax-deductible, as not approved as not-for-profit, but thus more flexible in handling money spending outside of Germany. FrODeV: donations are tax-deductible, we are approved as not-for-profit and as especially meritorius (besonders förderungswürdig), but thus a bit more limited in spending outside of Germany. Team OOo donation are not tax-deductible, as not want have all spendings as especially meritorious. Of course Team OOo is a non-profit organization and more flexible in spendings. My understanding is that the especially meritorious term also limits spending inside Germany (see German link) http://nw.vibss.de/finanzen/steuern/zuwendungsrecht-spenden/besonders-foerderungswuerdig-anerkannte-zwecke/) I would expect FrODeV can do spending under item 4 Förderung der Jugend- und Altenhilfe (sponsorship of youth welfare) )or item 7 Förderung der Erziehung, Volks- und Berufsbildung einschließlich der Studentenhilfe (sponsorship of education) as described in the charter of FroDev (Der gemeinnützige Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V. hat sich zum Ziel gesetzt, über den Einsatz von freier Software insbesondere im Bereich Bürosoftware zu informieren.) to inform about the deployments of free software wrt Office Productivity. NB: every association can decide if they want to run for it or not, so it is *not* a governmental judgement. yes, this decision has to be made in the charter and get approved by the tax office, Florian Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hi, Martin Hollmichel wrote on 2011-06-09 11.20: Team OOo donation are not tax-deductible, as not want have all spendings as especially meritorious. Of course Team OOo is a non-profit organization and more flexible in spendings. My understanding is that the especially meritorious term also limits spending inside Germany (see German link) indeed, having it as besonders förderungswürdig brings the benefit of getting tax bonuses and having donations as well as membership fees tax-deductible, while it limits the way you can spend. Both options do not affect, as far as I recall, the type of donations or their origin that you can accept. This combination of two associations so far worked very well, because depending on what was needed, it was one or the other association that could step in, as both models have their advantage, indeed. Just as an example: In the past, we often had it that OOoDeV/FrODeV paid for the trade show booth e.g. at CeBIT, while TeamOOo jumped in with travel fundings. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote on 06/09/2011 02:33:09 AM: as most of the discussion happened when I slept, I will give a summarizinig answer from the top. (With unusally top-posting against the netiquette) There are two associations (german: eingetragener Verein abbrev. e.V.) - Team OpenOffice.org e.V., based in Hamburg. The members are Sun/Oracle employees and it is handling the marketing budget for the international Openoffice.org marketing. (IBM has already been mentioned as a donator). They fund travel, T-Shirts, Posters, booth fees and so on. (Donations from the mentioned page go to them) - Freies Office Deutchland e.V. (abbrev. FrODeV), whose name was OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. up to spring of this year, based in Wiesbaden. Members are individuals and companies merely from Germany. The association has promoted all around OpenOffice.org in Germany since years by funding as aboven and by organizing own events as a congress for Business and Administration beside community events for QA and general project work. It is also promoting LibreOffice now, therefore the name has been changed. Donators can tell if the donation should be spent for a specific project. Until the TDF is legally founded it is the legal basis for TDF, being contractor for webhosting, lawsuits etc. This is great information. But can I make a suggestion? I don't think this is a discussion that we can really make any progress with now, in reviewing an incubation proposal. I'm not even sure this is something that will be within the ambit of the podling or the IPMC to decide. In the end, Apache has no direct control over other non-profits with charters that allow them to raise funds to support OOo, TDF, or both together. The only influence Apache has is indirect, via its eventual control of the OOo trademark, logo and website. Since fundraising is a foundation-level concern, not a project-level concern, I assume the question of where the existing donate now link directs to, if such a link continues to exist, will be an Apache Board decision, where they will weigh numerous factors ranging from jurisdiction to tax status to accountability, etc. -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
Hi, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote on 2011-06-09 15.21: together. The only influence Apache has is indirect, via its eventual control of the OOo trademark, logo and website. Since fundraising is a just a quick note to that - it doesn't affect the German association very much, but: Once granted use of the trademark, like for events, logo use, merchandising or entity names, can be pretty hard to be revoked. IIRC, there is no bullet-proof track record of how it was dealt with at OOo, and I myself am aware of several trademark grants that were not tied to anything. So, again, it shouldn't affect the German association that much, as their name is changed anyways, but enforcing a strict trademark policy can get hard... Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: This is great information. But can I make a suggestion? I don't think this is a discussion that we can really make any progress with now, in reviewing an incubation proposal. I'm not even sure this is something that will be within the ambit of the podling or the IPMC to decide. I agree with you Rob. In a spirit of positivity, I think there are two useful lessons to draw here that may be good background for the IPMC and the podling. * First, the OpenOffice.org /community/ and the OpenOffice.org /assets/ are not the same thing, and any discussion that starts from an assumption they are or can be forced to become so will prove problematic. That's not to say future unity is impossible, of course. But OOo-the-community is diverse, is unlikely to all reside at Apache and has a complicated history as well as a rich future. * Second, there's a lot we all need to know as we devise a workable future together. We'll keep discovering things that are rooted deep in the community's history, and it's better to assume they are a wise and honest conclusion to an earlier conversation until we discover otherwise. With that noted I personally would be delighted to draw a line under the discussion and see the IPMC vote. S.
OOo community organzations (was: OOo Monetary Donations)
Does someone have a high-level org chart - so to speak - of the OpenOffice.org community? To be more specific, a chart or description of all the recognizable groups (associations, corporations, memberships, etc.) that are either directly in charge of some part of the OOo project as a whole, or are obviously directly related to using the OOo project? I think this would be tremendously useful for those of us who are not as familiar with the OOo history and breadth (and different types of) the community. I agree this discussion would not need to gate an IPMC vote. - Shane Simon Phipps wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: This is great information. But can I make a suggestion? I don't think this is a discussion that we can really make any progress with now, in reviewing an incubation proposal. I'm not even sure this is something that will be within the ambit of the podling or the IPMC to decide. I agree with you Rob. In a spirit of positivity, I think there are two useful lessons to draw here that may be good background for the IPMC and the podling. * First, the OpenOffice.org /community/ and the OpenOffice.org /assets/ are not the same thing, and any discussion that starts from an assumption they are or can be forced to become so will prove problematic. That's not to say future unity is impossible, of course. But OOo-the-community is diverse, is unlikely to all reside at Apache and has a complicated history as well as a rich future. * Second, there's a lot we all need to know as we devise a workable future together. We'll keep discovering things that are rooted deep in the community's history, and it's better to assume they are a wise and honest conclusion to an earlier conversation until we discover otherwise. With that noted I personally would be delighted to draw a line under the discussion and see the IPMC vote. S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
OOo Monetary Donations
I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: OOo Monetary Donations
Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Well ... that's an interesting question. While hiring could happen outside of the ASF, AFAIK there is nothing to stop us from accepting funds and having a group (analogous to our Travel Assistance process) that offered payment, a la Google Code or other. I do agree that I'd like to see the Board and Membership weigh in on that discussion if/when it ever becomes one. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Well ... that's an interesting question. While hiring could happen outside of the ASF, AFAIK there is nothing to stop us from accepting funds and having a group (analogous to our Travel Assistance process) that offered payment, a la Google Code or other. I do agree that I'd like to see the Board and Membership weigh in on that discussion if/when it ever becomes one. Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just its a possibility. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: OOo Monetary Donations
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Well ... that's an interesting question. While hiring could happen outside of the ASF, AFAIK there is nothing to stop us from accepting funds and having a group (analogous to our Travel Assistance process) that offered payment, a la Google Code or other. I do agree that I'd like to see the Board and Membership weigh in on that discussion if/when it ever becomes one. Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just its a possibility. Doesn't one of those already exist? S.
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Simon Phipps wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com wrote: Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Well ... that's an interesting question. While hiring could happen outside of the ASF, AFAIK there is nothing to stop us from accepting funds and having a group (analogous to our Travel Assistance process) that offered payment, a la Google Code or other. I do agree that I'd like to see the Board and Membership weigh in on that discussion if/when it ever becomes one. Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just its a possibility. Doesn't one of those already exist? S. I think your referring to Friends of OpenDocument INC, based out of Queensland Australia. See http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/ . Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Indeed, the ASF has been consistent that monetary donations be made to the ASF as a whole, and we have not accepted targeted cash donations for specific projects in the past. And as a Foundation, we have not paid directly for development on our projects (although obviously we have a paid sysadmin staff, as well as paying for our significant hardware and bandwidth needs, etc.) Guidelines for individual contributions: http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html Guidelines for recurring larger contributions: http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html - Shane Dave Fisher wrote: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... btw, where do those funds go now?? I'm guessing some sort of escrow account held by Oracle? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer Oracle Email Signature Logo Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect Oracle Corporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847 On 6/8/2011 4:19 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... btw, where do those funds go now?? I'm guessing some sort of escrow account held by Oracle? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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http://www.teamopenoffice.de/ I believe it is at the disposal of the Community Council, so probably Louis could give a more complete answer. S. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer Oracle Email Signature Logo Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect Oracle Corporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847 On 6/8/2011 4:19 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... btw, where do those funds go now?? I'm guessing some sort of escrow account held by Oracle? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Simon Phipps +1 415 683 7660 : www.webmink.com
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Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, http://www.frodev.org/ Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . As I recall the fund was always run strictly independently anyway - the founders included Sun employees and the activity was scrutinised and firewalled away from Sun. It was used mostly to make travel grants to allow community members to attend events. S.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:48 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, http://www.frodev.org/ Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ Indeed - if you look at FrODeV's articles it's established to support the OpenOffice.org community in general, which includes LibreOffice. S.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Are you sure about that? Do you have references? I looked at the 2009 accounts for FrODeV[1] and they seem to indicate that the entity was actually something called Verein OpenOffice.org Deutschland eV, prior to being renamed, and they say they maintain a separate account for TDF[2] anyway. S. [1] http://www.frodev.org/downloads-1 [2] http://www.frodev.org/spenden
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Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 06:45 PM Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Simon Phipps wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com wrote: Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: ? Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. ? Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. ? Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. ? Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Well ... that's an interesting question. While hiring could happen outside of the ASF, AFAIK there is nothing to stop us from accepting funds and having a group (analogous to our Travel Assistance process) that offered payment, a la Google Code or other. I do agree that I'd like to see the Board and Membership weigh in on that discussion if/when it ever becomes one. Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just its a possibility. Doesn't one of those already exist? S. I think your referring to Friends of OpenDocument INC, based out of Queensland Australia. See http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/ I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, http://www.frodev.org/ S. Yes. Clearly. The appeal is now very prominently displayed on TDF homepage. http://www.documentfoundation.org/
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Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 07:51:20 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 07:52 PM Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:48 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, http://www.frodev.org/ Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ Indeed - if you look at FrODeV's articles it's established to support the OpenOffice.org community in general, which includes LibreOffice. Reference please? S.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Please tell me that does not mean that when people go to OOo and make a donation that it winds up in TDF's coffers. Please. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:43 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 07:51:20 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 07:52 PM Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:48 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, http://www.frodev.org/ Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ Indeed - if you look at FrODeV's articles it's established to support the OpenOffice.org community in general, which includes LibreOffice. Reference please? Articles are here: http://www.frodev.org/satzung The press statement on their home page http://www.frodev.org/ explains more succinctly (Google Translated): The nonprofit organization OpenOffice.org Germany (OOoDeV) today announced it will continue to support all the free office suites. This includes the Document maintained by the Foundation libre office, all other Office programs that are available as free software and build on open document formats. For this reason, a broad membership base of almost 75% approved the name change to Free Office of Germany (FrODeV). The donations page http://www.frodev.org/spenden also clarifies: For donations in support of The Document Foundation, we have set up a separate account. Information, see http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/spenden/http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=enie=UTF8langpair=auto%7Cenrurl=translate.google.comtbb=1twu=1u=http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/spenden/usg=ALkJrhiB6QV2iuNG_NwQIUugQr3ln4tU1A. As far as I can determine, this is all unrelated to Team OpenOffice.org eV, but all the people I could ask about it are obviously asleep (like I should be). S.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Please tell me that does not mean that when people go to OOo and make a donation that it winds up in TDF's coffers. Please. OK :-) Doesn't look like they do, no. They benefit the OpenOffice.org community. Mind you, that does include LibreOffice. S.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Please tell me that does not mean that when people go to OOo and make a donation that it winds up in TDF's coffers. Please. OK :-) Doesn't look like they do, no. They benefit the OpenOffice.org community. Mind you, that does include LibreOffice. That's cool and no problem... I just was not anticipating the possible sh*tstorm that would have resulted... Anyone else popping Xanax like tictacs? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 08:51:45 PM: From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 08:54 PM Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Please tell me that does not mean that when people go to OOo and make a donation that it winds up in TDF's coffers. Please. OK :-) Doesn't look like they do, no. They benefit the OpenOffice.org community. Mind you, that does include LibreOffice. Are we parsing the meaning of the word 'is' here? I agree that there is (1) massive, passionate, and caring OpenOffice.org community. Many have expressed a strong desire to move forward, putting past wounds to heal. In that spirit, I wholeheartedly agree with you. A euro, a dollar, a yuan donated to this account is for the (1) community... In the same regard, the Team OpenOffice.org e.V. to which IBM and other corporate sponsors provided annual financial support may now wish to consider consolidation with http://www.frodev.org/. If that seems inappropriate, perhaps both need to be retired, as we pivot into the future with the ASF OpenOffice project while the TDF / LibreOffice.org project runs in parallel, and something new (I have no clue!) needs to be createdall for one, one for all. S.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:07 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: In the same regard, the Team OpenOffice.org e.V. to which IBM and other corporate sponsors provided annual financial support may now wish to consider consolidation with http://www.frodev.org/. If that seems inappropriate, perhaps both need to be retired, as we pivot into the future with the ASF OpenOffice project while the TDF / LibreOffice.org project runs in parallel, and something new (I have no clue!) needs to be createdall for one, one for all. It might make sense, yes, but in the end both eVs are independent legal entities and what they do is up to their board members, so we're all going to have to speak nicely to them whatever change we collectively desire! S.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Please tell me that does not mean that when people go to OOo and make a donation that it winds up in TDF's coffers. Please. OK :-) Doesn't look like they do, no. They benefit the OpenOffice.org community. Mind you, that does include LibreOffice. The bank routing information on Team OpenOffice.org e.V. [1] differs from Freies Office Deutschland e.V. [2] which differs from Freies Office Deutschland e.V. [3] - the accounts are separated. It looks like the TDF/LO people had an email thread about this and other matters in October, 2010. [4] It looks like some of the major wounds to the OOo are around this issue and community budget. Oracle basically took over. Oracle should know where the donations are. Regards, Dave [1] http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html [2] http://www.frodev.org/spenden [3] http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/spenden/ [4] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/We-re-on-slashdot-td1718603.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Simon Phipps wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Browna...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . Are you sure about that? Do you have references? I looked at the 2009 accounts for FrODeV[1] and they seem to indicate that the entity was actually something called Verein OpenOffice.org Deutschland eV, prior to being renamed, and they say they maintain a separate account for TDF[2] anyway. S. [1] http://www.frodev.org/downloads-1 [2] http://www.frodev.org/spenden It seems I made a mistake in that, I am sorry. The Team: OpenoOffice.org e.V. is different than OpenOffice.org Germany (OOoDeV) which renamed. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Hi, time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org Community Council (CC) until 2010 and also Chair of Team OpenOffice.org e.V. We founded Team OpenOffice.org e.V. in 2003 to serve for the items described for the items below. All the funds coming in was agreed to spend under the guidelines of the CC (see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets). Until September 2010 the CC represents the OpenOffce.org community until the TDF initiative started. Since the remaining CC was preparing the restart of the Community the surprising move of Oracle happened and Team OpenOffice.org in behalf of the CC also applied for driving OpenOffice.org. Some of you might also remember the Team OOo was also the initial holder of the OpenOffice.org trademark in the US. Please understand that we are also got surprised by the announcement last Wednesday and we are currently preparing our point of view in this matter. Generally speaking we are still committed to work with all related parties to initiate and continue the collaborative work on offering our users a stable and useful product. I think the decision to move the project from a one main sponsor thing to a non-profit entity is a good one. Now we are all called to make the best of it, Martin On 06/08/2011 11:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. • Paying for organization and staff at annual OpenOffice.org Conference, OOoCon. • Marketing banners, collateral, CDs and brochures. Please discuss the tax benefits of donating with your accountant. You can make a donation to our primary treasury, Team OpenOffice.org, e.V. via PayPal or credit card or use bank transfer. Or, if you prefer to donate US dolars (USD) via credit card, cheque or money order, you can use use Software In the Public Interest, Inc. (SPI), and simply identify the recipient project, OpenOffice.org, where indicataed in the instructions SPI provides: SPI Donations for OpenOffice.org . (SPI does not accept PayPal or wire transfers.) Clearly there ought to be changes to the page and process when/if the podling happens. This is probably at the ASF Board level... certainly the hiring developers part doesn't fit... Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
